Re: Asthma - reaction to enzymes or die-off??

[Guest guest]

Does anyone have any experience with asthma associated

with the use of Houston's enzymes?

My sister and I (my family have sensory/n.d. issues,

allergies & asthma, MCS and problems with detoxing)

started the zyme prime lately and are both finding

that asthma is flaring up. We do muscle testing; the

enzymes test good with us, so I don't think it is a

direct reaction to the enzymes themselves?

Any ideas?

Also, my ASD son, who is chronically ill/tired anyway,

is completely " wiped out " these days. (more than

usual)

He already has a host of health problems related

(I'm sure) to leaky gut, candida, viruses (my family

tests positive to megaloviruses, etc), etc etc

He's extremely sensitive to everything, so I've been

very slow with the enzymes; 1/8 of a teaspoon of Zyme

Prime at suppertime (evening), and occassionally I

give him 1/8 tsp No Phenol (which immediately arrested

the swelling and burning of his mouth when he had some

fruit-impressive!) He's been getting enzymes about a

week.

Should I be giving him Virastop??

Or is there another one (ie from Enzymedica) that he

should be getting to help die-off?

Thanks for any help/suggestions...

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

With my son enzymes cause severe croup , allergenic cough that leads to

asthma.

crystal

Margaret Romanowitch <em_nautilus@...> wrote:

Does anyone have any experience with asthma associated

with the use of Houston's enzymes?

My sister and I (my family have sensory/n.d. issues,

allergies & asthma, MCS and problems with detoxing)

started the zyme prime lately and are both finding

that asthma is flaring up. We do muscle testing; the

enzymes test good with us, so I don't think it is a

direct reaction to the enzymes themselves?

Any ideas?

Also, my ASD son, who is chronically ill/tired anyway,

is completely " wiped out " these days. (more than

usual)

He already has a host of health problems related

(I'm sure) to leaky gut, candida, viruses (my family

tests positive to megaloviruses, etc), etc etc

He's extremely sensitive to everything, so I've been

very slow with the enzymes; 1/8 of a teaspoon of Zyme

Prime at suppertime (evening), and occassionally I

give him 1/8 tsp No Phenol (which immediately arrested

the swelling and burning of his mouth when he had some

fruit-impressive!) He's been getting enzymes about a

week.

Should I be giving him Virastop??

Or is there another one (ie from Enzymedica) that he

should be getting to help die-off?

Thanks for any help/suggestions...

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I wheezed when I tried them and I get asthma when I bag the chewables, just

from the dust I guess (Which is minimal). I'm very allergic to fruits which

are in them and so I take my inhaler when I bag them up once a month for my

sons.

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[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Margaret Romanowitch

Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 12:20 PM

Subject: Re: Asthma - reaction to enzymes or die-off??

Does anyone have any experience with asthma associated

with the use of Houston's enzymes?

My sister and I (my family have sensory/n.d. issues,

allergies & asthma, MCS and problems with detoxing)

started the zyme prime lately and are both finding

that asthma is flaring up. We do muscle testing; the

enzymes test good with us, so I don't think it is a

direct reaction to the enzymes themselves?

Any ideas?

Also, my ASD son, who is chronically ill/tired anyway,

is completely " wiped out " these days. (more than

usual)

He already has a host of health problems related

(I'm sure) to leaky gut, candida, viruses (my family

tests positive to megaloviruses, etc), etc etc

He's extremely sensitive to everything, so I've been

very slow with the enzymes; 1/8 of a teaspoon of Zyme

Prime at suppertime (evening), and occassionally I

give him 1/8 tsp No Phenol (which immediately arrested

the swelling and burning of his mouth when he had some

fruit-impressive!) He's been getting enzymes about a

week.

Should I be giving him Virastop??

Or is there another one (ie from Enzymedica) that he

should be getting to help die-off?

Thanks for any help/suggestions...

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I had a horrible reaction like this. I am highly

allergic to aspergillus, a mold. Someone on this list

said that HN1 uses aspergillus as part of the enzyme

process.

Thankfully my son doen't have my allergies! He's

still thriving on the enzymes.

[Guest guest]

> I had a horrible reaction like this. I am highly

> allergic to aspergillus, a mold. Someone on this

> list said that HN1 uses aspergillus as part of the

enzyme process.

that is Bad News :^(

It is my understanding that all the

non-papain/bromalin enzymes use aspergillus, but it

supposedly is so filtered and pure that I had assumed

it would not be reactive.

What are the alternatives? (barring papaya and

pineapple-based enzymes)

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[Guest guest]

>

> I had a horrible reaction like this. I am highly

> allergic to aspergillus, a mold. Someone on this list

> said that HN1 uses aspergillus as part of the enzyme

> process.

So far as I know, most plant based enzymes, not just HNI, have an

aspergillus base. The aspergillus is purified out, and most people

can then use the enzymes without problems. But for those who are

highly sensitive, it might cause problems.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> So far as I know, most plant based enzymes, not just

> HNI, have an

> aspergillus base. The aspergillus is purified out,

> and most people

> can then use the enzymes without problems. But for

> those who are

> highly sensitive, it might cause problems.

> Dana

I tried the HNI Zime Prime again, but 1/2 of the

chewables instead of the powder, which make it about

1/8 of the strength of the powder dose, and I didn't

have that reaction this time. I'm hoping that even a

small amount will eventually help.

Margaret

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[Guest guest]

Several months back I posted that my son had an asthma like

reaction. The only thing that I had added was Nuthera - so I backed

off of it and the cough went away. Think back to this past week --

anything else new -- or only the enzymes? If so, stop the enzymes

and try to introduce vitamins, Omegas and minerals first. The no

phenol could be hitting the yeast and it could be die off too.

> Does anyone have any experience with asthma associated

> with the use of Houston's enzymes?

> My sister and I (my family have sensory/n.d. issues,

> allergies & asthma, MCS and problems with detoxing)

> started the zyme prime lately and are both finding

> that asthma is flaring up. We do muscle testing; the

> enzymes test good with us, so I don't think it is a

> direct reaction to the enzymes themselves?

> Any ideas?

>

> Also, my ASD son, who is chronically ill/tired anyway,

> is completely " wiped out " these days. (more than

> usual)

> He already has a host of health problems related

> (I'm sure) to leaky gut, candida, viruses (my family

> tests positive to megaloviruses, etc), etc etc

> He's extremely sensitive to everything, so I've been

> very slow with the enzymes; 1/8 of a teaspoon of Zyme

> Prime at suppertime (evening), and occassionally I

> give him 1/8 tsp No Phenol (which immediately arrested

> the swelling and burning of his mouth when he had some

> fruit-impressive!) He's been getting enzymes about a

> week.

> Should I be giving him Virastop??

> Or is there another one (ie from Enzymedica) that he

> should be getting to help die-off?

>

> Thanks for any help/suggestions...

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

> I tried the HNI Zime Prime again, but 1/2 of the

> chewables instead of the powder, which make it about

> 1/8 of the strength of the powder dose, and I didn't

> have that reaction this time. I'm hoping that even a

> small amount will eventually help.

If that small dose worked okay, keep it at that dose for a while. You

can try increasing later if you want.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> > I tried the HNI Zime Prime again, but 1/2 of the

> > chewables instead of the powder, which make it

> about 1/8 of the strength of the powder dose, and I

> didn't have that reaction this time. I'm hoping

that

> even a small amount will eventually help.

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> If that small dose worked okay, keep it at that dose

> for a while. You

> can try increasing later if you want.

> Dana

Thanks, Dana. I (we) also have mineral deficiencies,

but I can't tolerate powdered/composite minerals and

vitamins; they cause muscle pains/spasms.

I've bought some of e-lytes minerals and got an asthma

reaction by taking too many drops the first time. (ie

the " normal " dose without gradually working to it).

So perhaps I should work on the minerals and the

enzymes together, slowly.

My 18 yo son is showing no improvement so far; he's

more verbally " abrasive " and tired, but I'm sure

that's quite " normal " . I'm just not sure how fast to

increase the dose of enzymes...or if it would help if

I gave him minerals and virastop concurrently.

Do you have any suggestion, Dana?

BTW, your site is a wonderful source of information.

Thank you!

Margaret

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[Guest guest]

> Thanks, Dana. I (we) also have mineral deficiencies,

> but I can't tolerate powdered/composite minerals and

> vitamins; they cause muscle pains/spasms.

Might be the mineral balance. I have muscle cramps and spasms and

other issues if my minerals get out of balance.

> So perhaps I should work on the minerals and the

> enzymes together, slowly.

This sounds good.

> My 18 yo son is showing no improvement so far; he's

> more verbally " abrasive " and tired, but I'm sure

> that's quite " normal " . I'm just not sure how fast to

> increase the dose of enzymes...or if it would help if

> I gave him minerals and virastop concurrently.

> Do you have any suggestion, Dana?

If he is not stabilized on the current doses, don't increase them yet.

Consider foods he might be eating that the enzymes are not addressing.

Or, additives/fillers in the enzymes. Or supplement intolerance. It

can be a lot of things, unfortunately.

Dana