Re: Is this good detoxing or a bad reaction

[Guest guest]

sounds pretty typical of die off. My son had similar

reactions. You can always cut the dose down to see if

that off sets some of this...good luck.

--- Leigh Anne Carson <neilcarson@...> wrote:

> Hi everybody,

> My 3.6 year old son was diagnosed with ASD only a

> month ago so we are

> still pretty overwhelmed. No DAN! docs here. Three

> days ago we added

> OLE to his supplements. 250 mg spread throughout

> the day. He is 30

> lbs. Last night he was running a high fever on and

> off and vomited

> once. Today he is pale, a bit warm, and has rashes

> on his face and

> his groin. He was complaining his penis hurt and it

> looks like his

> skin has a yeast rash wherever his urine touches (he

> is still in

> diapers). He also has a faint a red ring around his

> bottom.

> Behaviorly, he is clingy, weepy, and

> obsessive/compusive-ish. So, is

> this normal die off or should I take him off the

> OLE? (I am giving

> him GSE too, but he has had this fairly often with

> no reaction.)

> Many thanks for all of the help.

> Leigh Anne

>

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

This does sound like a typical die-off reaction. The OLE may just be

more effective on what you are dealing with in relation to the dose (as

in contract to the GSE). OLE (olive leaf extract) can work on viruses

too, and what you are describing can be association with virus kill. Or

perhaps it is a litte of both.

You can look into some of the detox/die-off measures I just

posted...and decrease the dose a bit so it isn't so hard on your little

guy. Please post how it is going.

.

P.S. Here is a write-up on enzymes with viruses you can look over, but

if you have treated yeast first, it might not be viral in nature at all:

http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtVirusStudyReport.htm

http://www.enzymestuff.com/conditionviruses.htm

[Guest guest]

Thank you for all of the reassuring replies.

My son is slowly improving. His fever is down and he is not as pale

as earlier. He has also been doing some adorable creative play.

I will increase his vitamin C tomorrow, decrease the OLE a bit, and

continue with our epsom salt baths.

The links you posted were fascinating . So much to learn...

I think I will ask our local library to buy your book Hopefully

they will not consider it too " specialized " .

I know he has a yeast problem but he may have a viral problem too.

He used to have slushy sounding speech and this cleared up within a

couple of days of taking enzymes. Then, when we stopped the enzymes

for a day or two because his bottom was sore, the slushy speech

returned. Once we went back on the enzymes, his speech improved

again. I'm trying to get my head around how all of this works.

Does anybody know of a canadian source for Virastop?

Best,

Leigh anne

>

> This does sound like a typical die-off reaction. The OLE may just

be

> more effective on what you are dealing with in relation to the dose

(as

> in contract to the GSE). OLE (olive leaf extract) can work on

viruses

> too, and what you are describing can be association with virus

kill. Or

> perhaps it is a litte of both.

>

> You can look into some of the detox/die-off measures I just

> posted...and decrease the dose a bit so it isn't so hard on your

little

> guy. Please post how it is going.

>

> .

>

> P.S. Here is a write-up on enzymes with viruses you can look over,

but

> if you have treated yeast first, it might not be viral in nature at

all:

>

> http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtVirusStudyReport.htm

> http://www.enzymestuff.com/conditionviruses.htm

>

[Guest guest]

Leigh-Anne,

I'm getting in here late, but are you using some good probiotics for

your son? It sounds like the OLE caused quite a bit of yeast, which

is a good sign for our kids. I've been using Candex to deal with

yeast and love it. You may want to consider it.

I'm from Canada too. I couldn't find VS in Canada so ordered from

stayleaner.com, the cheapest place I could find it. Still not cheap

but I don't think you'll find too many things are here in Canada.

You can also get the Candex there for a good price.

I have a document that I put together for people in Canada who are

fairly new to autism. I might be of some help to you. If you're

interested let me know and I'll email it to you. It may save you

some time and work.

Glad your little guy is feeling better.

Anita

> >

> > This does sound like a typical die-off reaction. The OLE may

just

> be

> > more effective on what you are dealing with in relation to the

dose

> (as

> > in contract to the GSE). OLE (olive leaf extract) can work on

> viruses

> > too, and what you are describing can be association with virus

> kill. Or

> > perhaps it is a litte of both.

> >

> > You can look into some of the detox/die-off measures I just

> > posted...and decrease the dose a bit so it isn't so hard on your

> little

> > guy. Please post how it is going.

> >

> > .

> >

> > P.S. Here is a write-up on enzymes with viruses you can look

over,

> but

> > if you have treated yeast first, it might not be viral in nature

at

> all:

> >

> > http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtVirusStudyReport.htm

> > http://www.enzymestuff.com/conditionviruses.htm

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi everybody,

> My 3.6 year old son was diagnosed with ASD only a month ago so we are

> still pretty overwhelmed. No DAN! docs here. Three days ago we added

> OLE to his supplements. 250 mg spread throughout the day. He is 30

> lbs. Last night he was running a high fever on and off and vomited

> once. Today he is pale, a bit warm, and has rashes on his face and

> his groin. He was complaining his penis hurt and it looks like his

> skin has a yeast rash wherever his urine touches (he is still in

> diapers). He also has a faint a red ring around his bottom.

> Behaviorly, he is clingy, weepy, and obsessive/compusive-ish. So, is

> this normal die off or should I take him off the OLE? (I am giving

> him GSE too, but he has had this fairly often with no reaction.)

Definitely consider increasing your yeast protocol.

This sounds like me when I accidentally took two OLE capsules at the

same time, rather than only one at a time. Because I had to work the

next day, I took lots more Virastop enzyme than usual. Fortunately

this worked to keep the symptoms tolerable.

So based on my experience, I would say it is really pulling viruses.

Try reducing the dose of OLE, maybe add half-capsule of Virastop, and

increase your yeast protocol.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thank you for all of the replies. Here is an update:

I increased his vitamin C and GSE, and I'm giving him more enzymes

between meals. We don't have Virastop and since we are in Canada it

would take too long to ship. I have ordered Zyme Prime, No-Fenol,

and AFP Peptizyde from Spectrum. I was hoping the Peptizyde would be

a strong enough protease to work like Virastop.

After each dose of OLE my son becomes tired, pale and weepy. Then,

about an hour later, he is fine again. He has a rash on his cheeks

but nowhere else now. He is not sleeping well with frequent

nightmares and complaints that the blankets or whatever are bothering

him. Also, he seems to have excessive salivation...even choking on

it at times in bed.

Are we still on the right track?

Thank you,

Leigh Anne

> >

> > Hi everybody,

> > My 3.6 year old son was diagnosed with ASD only a month ago so we

are

> > still pretty overwhelmed. No DAN! docs here. Three days ago we

added

> > OLE to his supplements. 250 mg spread throughout the day. He is

30

> > lbs. Last night he was running a high fever on and off and

vomited

> > once. Today he is pale, a bit warm, and has rashes on his face

and

> > his groin. He was complaining his penis hurt and it looks like

his

> > skin has a yeast rash wherever his urine touches (he is still in

> > diapers). He also has a faint a red ring around his bottom.

> > Behaviorly, he is clingy, weepy, and obsessive/compusive-ish.

So, is

> > this normal die off or should I take him off the OLE? (I am

giving

> > him GSE too, but he has had this fairly often with no reaction.)

>

>

> Definitely consider increasing your yeast protocol.

>

> This sounds like me when I accidentally took two OLE capsules at the

> same time, rather than only one at a time. Because I had to work

the

> next day, I took lots more Virastop enzyme than usual. Fortunately

> this worked to keep the symptoms tolerable.

>

> So based on my experience, I would say it is really pulling

viruses.

> Try reducing the dose of OLE, maybe add half-capsule of Virastop,

and

> increase your yeast protocol.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

This statement: " Also, he seems to have excessive salivation...even choking on

it at times in bed " seems to be a oral motor delay (or medical issue of the

mouth) and I'd see a speech thearpist and they can tell you which one and

address the issue with thearpy or she will refer you elsewhere if needed. You

can look at her tounge in her mouth and how it moved and if it seems she has

articulation issues I'd start the straw program. ( you drink yorgurt and can

substitue a shake sometimes..drinking it 2xs a dat through a straw.)

Good Luck..It helped me step-daughter...she drools less.

Leigh Anne Carson <neilcarson@...> wrote:

Thank you for all of the replies. Here is an update:

I increased his vitamin C and GSE, and I'm giving him more enzymes

between meals. We don't have Virastop and since we are in Canada it

would take too long to ship. I have ordered Zyme Prime, No-Fenol,

and AFP Peptizyde from Spectrum. I was hoping the Peptizyde would be

a strong enough protease to work like Virastop.

After each dose of OLE my son becomes tired, pale and weepy. Then,

about an hour later, he is fine again. He has a rash on his cheeks

but nowhere else now. He is not sleeping well with frequent

nightmares and complaints that the blankets or whatever are bothering

him. Also, he seems to have excessive salivation...even choking on

it at times in bed.

Are we still on the right track?

Thank you,

Leigh Anne

> >

> > Hi everybody,

> > My 3.6 year old son was diagnosed with ASD only a month ago so we

are

> > still pretty overwhelmed. No DAN! docs here. Three days ago we

added

> > OLE to his supplements. 250 mg spread throughout the day. He is

30

> > lbs. Last night he was running a high fever on and off and

vomited

> > once. Today he is pale, a bit warm, and has rashes on his face

and

> > his groin. He was complaining his penis hurt and it looks like

his

> > skin has a yeast rash wherever his urine touches (he is still in

> > diapers). He also has a faint a red ring around his bottom.

> > Behaviorly, he is clingy, weepy, and obsessive/compusive-ish.

So, is

> > this normal die off or should I take him off the OLE? (I am

giving

> > him GSE too, but he has had this fairly often with no reaction.)

>

>

> Definitely consider increasing your yeast protocol.

>

> This sounds like me when I accidentally took two OLE capsules at the

> same time, rather than only one at a time. Because I had to work

the

> next day, I took lots more Virastop enzyme than usual. Fortunately

> this worked to keep the symptoms tolerable.

>

> So based on my experience, I would say it is really pulling

viruses.

> Try reducing the dose of OLE, maybe add half-capsule of Virastop,

and

> increase your yeast protocol.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Excess saliva can be a histamine reaction in our little ones. Especially since

ammonia is a toxin the bacteria clostridia gives off. For us, calcium butyrate

sweeps out the excess ammonia, and excess saliva and much of the mood swings

disappeared. This was after speech therapy, several dentist and doctor appts.,

etc. My 3 yr. old went through about 15 bibs a day, just absolutely soaked them.

Ammonia is a nasty thing, pickles the brain, might be worth looking into.

Re: Re: Is this good detoxing or a bad reaction

This statement: " Also, he seems to have excessive salivation...even choking on

it at times in bed " seems to be a oral motor delay (or medical issue of the

mouth) and I'd see a speech thearpist and they can tell you which one and

address the issue with thearpy or she will refer you elsewhere if needed. You

can look at her tounge in her mouth and how it moved and if it seems she has

articulation issues I'd start the straw program. ( you drink yorgurt and can

substitue a shake sometimes..drinking it 2xs a dat through a straw.)

Good Luck..It helped me step-daughter...she drools less.

Leigh Anne Carson <neilcarson@...> wrote:

Thank you for all of the replies. Here is an update:

I increased his vitamin C and GSE, and I'm giving him more enzymes

between meals. We don't have Virastop and since we are in Canada it

would take too long to ship. I have ordered Zyme Prime, No-Fenol,

and AFP Peptizyde from Spectrum. I was hoping the Peptizyde would be

a strong enough protease to work like Virastop.

After each dose of OLE my son becomes tired, pale and weepy. Then,

about an hour later, he is fine again. He has a rash on his cheeks

but nowhere else now. He is not sleeping well with frequent

nightmares and complaints that the blankets or whatever are bothering

him. Also, he seems to have excessive salivation...even choking on

it at times in bed.

Are we still on the right track?

Thank you,

Leigh Anne

> >

> > Hi everybody,

> > My 3.6 year old son was diagnosed with ASD only a month ago so we

are

> > still pretty overwhelmed. No DAN! docs here. Three days ago we

added

> > OLE to his supplements. 250 mg spread throughout the day. He is

30

> > lbs. Last night he was running a high fever on and off and

vomited

> > once. Today he is pale, a bit warm, and has rashes on his face

and

> > his groin. He was complaining his penis hurt and it looks like

his

> > skin has a yeast rash wherever his urine touches (he is still in

> > diapers). He also has a faint a red ring around his bottom.

> > Behaviorly, he is clingy, weepy, and obsessive/compusive-ish.

So, is

> > this normal die off or should I take him off the OLE? (I am

giving

> > him GSE too, but he has had this fairly often with no reaction.)

>

>

> Definitely consider increasing your yeast protocol.

>

> This sounds like me when I accidentally took two OLE capsules at the

> same time, rather than only one at a time. Because I had to work

the

> next day, I took lots more Virastop enzyme than usual. Fortunately

> this worked to keep the symptoms tolerable.

>

> So based on my experience, I would say it is really pulling

viruses.

> Try reducing the dose of OLE, maybe add half-capsule of Virastop,

and

> increase your yeast protocol.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

> After each dose of OLE my son becomes tired, pale and weepy. Then,

> about an hour later, he is fine again. He has a rash on his cheeks

> but nowhere else now. He is not sleeping well with frequent

> nightmares and complaints that the blankets or whatever are bothering

> him. Also, he seems to have excessive salivation...even choking on

> it at times in bed.

This sounds like a possible intolerance to the OLE. Are there any

fillers? You might try giving it with No-Fenol enzyme, see if that helps.

Dana