Re: Could it have been a virus leaving?

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Hi Darci,

There is really only 1 way to find out for sure.

Give a small amount of GSE and see what happens, if nothing, give some more

and see what happens.

Wait a few days and watch for a reaction, if you get one, then it probably

wasn't the DMSA, if not then onto testing the DMSA.

Try doing the same thing with the DMSA, small dose, wait 4 hours, another

small dose, until you feel that you have given enough to feel confident that

he has had enough that you think he would likely react again.

Then wait till the next round and see if anything happens in between rounds

again.

I am not an expert, but it seems like trial and elimination would be the

only way to know for sure.

Just do it in low doses and watch carefully. (I am assuming you were giving

the proper dosage when it happened before)

Good Luck !

Neil

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On Behalf Of darciannklotz

Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 6:53 PM

Subject: [ ] Could it have been a virus leaving?

Hi there,

I just wanted to run something by those of you who have delt with

virus'. Two days following our second round of DMSA chelation my

son broke out in a horrible case of hives. It didn't effect his

respitory system, thankfully, however his whole face was swollen and

they were all over his trunk, groin area, and moved around on his

arms and back. Today is the first day since Nov. 30th that I

haven't seen a hive on his body. The worst part was over after

about 6 days, but they still continued to pop up every day for an

hour or two. We had never given GSE before starting to chelate.

Could this have been a virus leaving his body? I played around with

his supplements and food to see if may have been something he was

eating or taking but it didn't seem to be any specific thing

triggering the hives. I was just sitting here thinking and a virus

popped into my head as maybe a possiblility or maybe chelating

triggered something to rid his body. I am a little nervious to

start chelating again because I am not sure if maybe it was a

reaction to the DMSA, even though it was 2 days after his last

dose. I did just get his hair results back and he has high copper

(which I posted), so it may be a while to get that down before I

chelate again. Any thoughts would be great.

Darci

Darci

[Guest guest]

What filler is in the DMSA? What route, dose, and dosing schedule are you

using? I presume he has NO mercury amalgam dental fillings. Does he have

problems with high phenol items? My understanding is that GSE is high phenol.

S

<p>Hi there,<br>

<br>

I just wanted to run something by those of you who have delt with <br>

virus'. Two days following our second round of DMSA chelation my <br>

son broke out in a horrible case of hives. It didn't effect his <br>

respitory system, thankfully, however his whole face was swollen and <br>

they were all over his trunk, groin area, and moved around on his <br>

arms and back. Today is the first day since Nov. 30th that I <br>

haven't seen a hive on his body. The worst part was over after <br>

about 6 days, but they still continued to pop up every day for an <br>

hour or two. We had never given GSE before starting to chelate. <br>

Could this have been a virus leaving his body? I played around with <br>

his supplements and food to see if may have been something he was <br>

eating or taking but it didn't seem to be any specific thing <br>

triggering the hives. I was just sitting here thinking and a virus <br>

popped into my head as maybe a possiblility or maybe chelating <br>

triggered something to rid his body. I am a little nervious to <br>

start chelating again because I am not sure if maybe it was a <br>

reaction to the DMSA, even though it was 2 days after his last <br>

dose. I did just get his hair results back and he has high copper <br>

(which I posted), so it may be a while to get that down before I <br>

chelate again. Any thoughts would be great.<br>

<br>

Darci<br>

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My son did six rounds of DMSA. We did various schedules but he

always reacted to it, which is not necessarily a bad thing in my

opinion. One reaction was hives. I personally do think it is viral

related. After the dust settled he did make gains but it was pretty

hairy there for a while.

>

> Hi there,

>

> I just wanted to run something by those of you who have delt with

> virus'. Two days following our second round of DMSA chelation my

> son broke out in a horrible case of hives. It didn't effect his

> respitory system, thankfully, however his whole face was swollen

and

> they were all over his trunk, groin area, and moved around on his

> arms and back. Today is the first day since Nov. 30th that I

> haven't seen a hive on his body. The worst part was over after

> about 6 days, but they still continued to pop up every day for an

> hour or two. We had never given GSE before starting to chelate.

> Could this have been a virus leaving his body? I played around

with

> his supplements and food to see if may have been something he was

> eating or taking but it didn't seem to be any specific thing

> triggering the hives. I was just sitting here thinking and a

virus

> popped into my head as maybe a possiblility or maybe chelating

> triggered something to rid his body. I am a little nervious to

> start chelating again because I am not sure if maybe it was a

> reaction to the DMSA, even though it was 2 days after his last

> dose. I did just get his hair results back and he has high copper

> (which I posted), so it may be a while to get that down before I

> chelate again. Any thoughts would be great.

>

> Darci

>

> Darci

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I use the VRP and the other ingrediants are microcrstalline

cellulose and hydroxypropyl methylcellulose. I am not sure if my

son has phenol issues. I do give him no fenol with every meal and I

did give no fenol with the GSE as well. He has no fillings. He is

very high in copper but also high in molybdenum, so I am trying to

figue out what to do to lower the copper. I already give 75 mg of

zinc a day, however I have only been giving 3 doses and I am going

to move to 4 doses today. I give the zinc away from calcium because

from what I understand it fights with calcium for absorbtion. I

have read that GSE can kill off virus' so that is why I thought

maybe the GSE was killing a virus, but I guess hives is an allergic

reaction so maybe not. We have been doing some energy work as well

so maybe that is doing some clearing. I am just glad the hives are

gone so I can get back to chelating. My feeling is that it wasn't

the DMSA itself causing the hives, but maybe it triggered something

to come out, I don't really know. Trying again I think is my only

option, carefully of course. I was already giving just 5mg per dose

and my son is 38-39 lbs. He is very toxic though. Any

recommendations for getting the copper out when the Molybdenum is

high as well?

Thanks so much.

Darci

> <p>Hi there,<br>

> <br>

> I just wanted to run something by those of you who have delt with

<br>

> virus'. Two days following our second round of DMSA chelation my

<br>

> son broke out in a horrible case of hives. It didn't effect his

<br>

> respitory system, thankfully, however his whole face was swollen

and <br>

> they were all over his trunk, groin area, and moved around on his

<br>

> arms and back. Today is the first day since Nov. 30th that I <br>

> haven't seen a hive on his body. The worst part was over after

<br>

> about 6 days, but they still continued to pop up every day for an

<br>

> hour or two. We had never given GSE before starting to chelate.

<br>

> Could this have been a virus leaving his body? I played around

with <br>

> his supplements and food to see if may have been something he was

<br>

> eating or taking but it didn't seem to be any specific thing <br>

> triggering the hives. I was just sitting here thinking and a

virus <br>

> popped into my head as maybe a possiblility or maybe chelating <br>

> triggered something to rid his body. I am a little nervious to

<br>

> start chelating again because I am not sure if maybe it was a <br>

> reaction to the DMSA, even though it was 2 days after his last <br>

> dose. I did just get his hair results back and he has high copper

<br>

> (which I posted), so it may be a while to get that down before I

<br>

> chelate again. Any thoughts would be great.<br>

> <br>

> Darci<br>

>

>

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Thanks Neil,

I am going to try again, I was just waiting for the hives to be gone

before trying again. Then I found out yesterday from his hair tests

that his copper is very high, and his molybdenum, so now I am going

to deal with that first. I was only giving 5mg of DMSA per dose and

my son is 38-39 lbs.

Thanks so much.

Darci

>

> Hi Darci,

>

> There is really only 1 way to find out for sure.

>

> Give a small amount of GSE and see what happens, if nothing, give

some more

> and see what happens.

>

> Wait a few days and watch for a reaction, if you get one, then it

probably

> wasn't the DMSA, if not then onto testing the DMSA.

>

> Try doing the same thing with the DMSA, small dose, wait 4 hours,

another

> small dose, until you feel that you have given enough to feel

confident that

> he has had enough that you think he would likely react again.

>

> Then wait till the next round and see if anything happens in

between rounds

> again.

>

> I am not an expert, but it seems like trial and elimination would

be the

> only way to know for sure.

>

> Just do it in low doses and watch carefully. (I am assuming you

were giving

> the proper dosage when it happened before)

>

> Good Luck !

>

> Neil

>

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>

> From: [mailto:Autism-

Mercury ]

> On Behalf Of darciannklotz

> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 6:53 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] Could it have been a virus leaving?

>

>

>

> Hi there,

>

> I just wanted to run something by those of you who have delt with

> virus'. Two days following our second round of DMSA chelation my

> son broke out in a horrible case of hives. It didn't effect his

> respitory system, thankfully, however his whole face was swollen

and

> they were all over his trunk, groin area, and moved around on his

> arms and back. Today is the first day since Nov. 30th that I

> haven't seen a hive on his body. The worst part was over after

> about 6 days, but they still continued to pop up every day for an

> hour or two. We had never given GSE before starting to chelate.

> Could this have been a virus leaving his body? I played around

with

> his supplements and food to see if may have been something he was

> eating or taking but it didn't seem to be any specific thing

> triggering the hives. I was just sitting here thinking and a virus

> popped into my head as maybe a possiblility or maybe chelating

> triggered something to rid his body. I am a little nervious to

> start chelating again because I am not sure if maybe it was a

> reaction to the DMSA, even though it was 2 days after his last

> dose. I did just get his hair results back and he has high copper

> (which I posted), so it may be a while to get that down before I

> chelate again. Any thoughts would be great.

>

> Darci

>

> Darci

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I do feel my son has made some gains just from the two rounds we

have done. I just found it weird that the hives came 2 days after

stopping the DMSA so that is what made me feel it wasn't the DMSA

itself but something (like a virus) it triggered to come out. How

long did the hives last for your son? Did you wait until they were

gone to chelate again?

Thanks so much.

Darci

> >

> > Hi there,

> >

> > I just wanted to run something by those of you who have delt

with

> > virus'. Two days following our second round of DMSA chelation

my

> > son broke out in a horrible case of hives. It didn't effect his

> > respitory system, thankfully, however his whole face was swollen

> and

> > they were all over his trunk, groin area, and moved around on

his

> > arms and back. Today is the first day since Nov. 30th that I

> > haven't seen a hive on his body. The worst part was over after

> > about 6 days, but they still continued to pop up every day for

an

> > hour or two. We had never given GSE before starting to

chelate.

> > Could this have been a virus leaving his body? I played around

> with

> > his supplements and food to see if may have been something he

was

> > eating or taking but it didn't seem to be any specific thing

> > triggering the hives. I was just sitting here thinking and a

> virus

> > popped into my head as maybe a possiblility or maybe chelating

> > triggered something to rid his body. I am a little nervious to

> > start chelating again because I am not sure if maybe it was a

> > reaction to the DMSA, even though it was 2 days after his last

> > dose. I did just get his hair results back and he has high

copper

> > (which I posted), so it may be a while to get that down before I

> > chelate again. Any thoughts would be great.

> >

> > Darci

> >

> > Darci

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> son broke out in a horrible case of hives. It didn't effect his

> respitory system, thankfully, however his whole face was swollen and

> they were all over his trunk, groin area, and moved around on his

> arms and back.

Did they look like this?

http://www.danasview.net/virus_rash1.jpg

>>We had never given GSE before starting to chelate.

> Could this have been a virus leaving his body?

Were you giving any anti-virals?

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi Dana,

It did not look like the picture you sent. It looked like typical

hives, like a raised welt, and they moved around his body. His

trunk and face were like scratch paper, maybe from itching, but I

think he had some other rash too. I was giving GSE as well as many

other supplements but not OLE if thats what you ment by anti-

virals. Today is the second day he has had no hives pop up since

Nov. 30th.

Thanks,

Darci

> > son broke out in a horrible case of hives. It didn't effect his

> > respitory system, thankfully, however his whole face was swollen

and

> > they were all over his trunk, groin area, and moved around on

his

> > arms and back.

>

>

> Did they look like this?

>

> http://www.danasview.net/virus_rash1.jpg

>

>

> >>We had never given GSE before starting to chelate.

> > Could this have been a virus leaving his body?

>

>

> Were you giving any anti-virals?

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

> It did not look like the picture you sent. It looked like typical

> hives, like a raised welt, and they moved around his body. His

> trunk and face were like scratch paper, maybe from itching, but I

> think he had some other rash too.

Might have been an intolerance reaction.

Dana