Any red flags with this supplement breakdown?

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Chlorella 780 mg

>>>I'd lose this one

Mandi in UK

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Here is how my supplements all add up once I got

them all entered into my spreadsheet (most

are in combinations). This is for a 9yo, 80

pound boy who is not ASD but has mood/anxiety

disorders, known aluminum issues, unknown

mercury. This is total per day (I try to spread

out whatever I can). Does anyone see any big red flags?

Thanks!

A 5000 IU

C 2353 mg

D 283 IU

E 511 IU

B1 – Thiamin 12.26 mg

B2 - Riboflavin 7.56 mg

B3 – Niacin 2053 mg

B6 91 mg

Folate 492 mcg

B12 4089 mcg

Biotin 116 mcg

Pantothenic Acid 140 mg

Magnesium 889 mg

Zinc 43.5 mg

Selenium 50 mcg

Copper 2.7 mg

Manganese 13.7 mg

Molybdenum 66 mcg

Potassium 401 mg

Calcium 360 mg

Iron 1 mg

Taurine 617 mg

Betaine 0 mg

L-Tyrosine 250 mg

Choline bitartrate 736 mg

Phosphatidylcholine 100 mg

Phosphatidylserine 100 mg

Inositol 920 mg

Chromium 20 mcg

5-HTP 100 mg

GABA 500 mg

Chlorella 780 mg

EPA 325 mg

DHA 225 mg

Oleic Acid (Omega-9) 28 mg

ALA 2 mg

Adrenal Cortex Extract 33 mg

Adrenal Polypeptide Fractions 400 mg

Adrenal Cortex Tissue 250 mg

Licorice Root 200 mg

Silymarin (milk thistle seed x) 50 mg

Catechins 34 mg

Artichoke Leaf Extract 166 mg

Watercress 4:1 Extract 134 mg

Ellagic Acid 33 mg

Iodine 100 mcg

PABA 400 mcg

N-Acetylcysteine 66 mg

Sodium Sulfate 100 mg

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Zoiks - looks like our supplement list, only longer! The only advice I would

give, passed along from our DAN Dr. and other parent experts (I'm not one), is

to make sure you give amino acids, zinc, and probiotics on an empty stomach.

Give B vitamins on a FULL stomach, or it can cause nausea and, of course, don't

give yeast and bacteria killers together with probiotics, or they'll cancel each

other out. Oh, and I was told to give calcium away from other minerals, with

Vit. C, for better absorption. And another obvious one is not to give minerals

on chelation days, if you're doing chelation. Good luck with all these - it's a

lot and I know it's tiresome for Moms to have to give their kids this many

supplements every day (and for kids to have to gag them down - lol). I've never

heard of PABA - isn't that what they used to put in sunscreen?

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From: Stroyan <lstroyan@...>

Here is how my supplements all add up once I got

them all entered into my spreadsheet (most

are in combinations). This is for a 9yo, 80

pound boy who is not ASD but has mood/anxiety

disorders, known aluminum issues, unknown

mercury. This is total per day (I try to spread

out whatever I can). Does anyone see any big red flags?

Thanks!

A 5000 IU

C 2353 mg

D 283 IU

E 511 IU

B1 – Thiamin 12.26 mg

B2 - Riboflavin 7.56 mg

B3 – Niacin 2053 mg

B6 91 mg

Folate 492 mcg

B12 4089 mcg

Biotin 116 mcg

Pantothenic Acid 140 mg

Magnesium 889 mg

Zinc 43.5 mg

Selenium 50 mcg

Copper 2.7 mg

Manganese 13.7 mg

Molybdenum 66 mcg

Potassium 401 mg

Calcium 360 mg

Iron 1 mg

Taurine 617 mg

Betaine 0 mg

L-Tyrosine 250 mg

Choline bitartrate 736 mg

Phosphatidylcholine 100 mg

Phosphatidylserine 100 mg

Inositol 920 mg

Chromium 20 mcg

5-HTP 100 mg

GABA 500 mg

Chlorella 780 mg

EPA 325 mg

DHA 225 mg

Oleic Acid (Omega-9) 28 mg

ALA 2 mg

Adrenal Cortex Extract 33 mg

Adrenal Polypeptide Fractions 400 mg

Adrenal Cortex Tissue 250 mg

Licorice Root 200 mg

Silymarin (milk thistle seed x) 50 mg

Catechins 34 mg

Artichoke Leaf Extract 166 mg

Watercress 4:1 Extract 134 mg

Ellagic Acid 33 mg

Iodine 100 mcg

PABA 400 mcg

N-Acetylcysteine 66 mg

Sodium Sulfate 100 mg

Stroyan

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We give minerals all the time, when chelating and when not. I shudder to

think what would happen here if we didn't as we have trouble keeping enough

in.

Paba is B-vitamin, it has been used in sunscreen products as it prevents

sunburn and will even help sunburns heal, but a lot of people found it

burned when applied topically.

Re: [ ] Any red flags with this supplement breakdown?

Zoiks - looks like our supplement list, only longer! The only advice I would

give, passed along from our DAN Dr. and other parent experts (I'm not one),

is to make sure you give amino acids, zinc, and probiotics on an empty

stomach. Give B vitamins on a FULL stomach, or it can cause nausea and, of

course, don't give yeast and bacteria killers together with probiotics, or

they'll cancel each other out. Oh, and I was told to give calcium away from

other minerals, with Vit. C, for better absorption. And another obvious one

is not to give minerals on chelation days, if you're doing chelation. Good

luck with all these - it's a lot and I know it's tiresome for Moms to have

to give their kids this many supplements every day (and for kids to have to

gag them down - lol). I've never heard of PABA - isn't that what they used

to put in sunscreen?

-------------- Original message --------------

From: Stroyan <lstroyan@...>

Here is how my supplements all add up once I got

them all entered into my spreadsheet (most

are in combinations). This is for a 9yo, 80

pound boy who is not ASD but has mood/anxiety

disorders, known aluminum issues, unknown

mercury. This is total per day (I try to spread

out whatever I can). Does anyone see any big red flags?

Thanks!

A 5000 IU

C 2353 mg

D 283 IU

E 511 IU

B1 - Thiamin 12.26 mg

B2 - Riboflavin 7.56 mg

B3 - Niacin 2053 mg

B6 91 mg

Folate 492 mcg

B12 4089 mcg

Biotin 116 mcg

Pantothenic Acid 140 mg

Magnesium 889 mg

Zinc 43.5 mg

Selenium 50 mcg

Copper 2.7 mg

Manganese 13.7 mg

Molybdenum 66 mcg

Potassium 401 mg

Calcium 360 mg

Iron 1 mg

Taurine 617 mg

Betaine 0 mg

L-Tyrosine 250 mg

Choline bitartrate 736 mg

Phosphatidylcholine 100 mg

Phosphatidylserine 100 mg

Inositol 920 mg

Chromium 20 mcg

5-HTP 100 mg

GABA 500 mg

Chlorella 780 mg

EPA 325 mg

DHA 225 mg

Oleic Acid (Omega-9) 28 mg

ALA 2 mg

Adrenal Cortex Extract 33 mg

Adrenal Polypeptide Fractions 400 mg

Adrenal Cortex Tissue 250 mg

Licorice Root 200 mg

Silymarin (milk thistle seed x) 50 mg

Catechins 34 mg

Artichoke Leaf Extract 166 mg

Watercress 4:1 Extract 134 mg

Ellagic Acid 33 mg

Iodine 100 mcg

PABA 400 mcg

N-Acetylcysteine 66 mg

Sodium Sulfate 100 mg

Stroyan

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>

> Here is how my supplements all add up once I got

> them all entered into my spreadsheet

Thanks for putting that in the files .

> Does anyone see any big red flags?

The ony thing I'd say is that it's a lot to do at once. If you started

a lot of those at the same time it's going to be hard to sort through

if something is bothering him -- several of the things *might be a

problem. Have you started them all? How's he doing?

Nell

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> In a message dated 01/08/2006 00:13:52 GMT Daylight Time, lstroyan@...

> writes:

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> Chlorella 780 mg

>

>

>

> >>>I'd lose this one

>

> Mandi in UK

Whoops ITA!

Nell

>

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> B3 – Niacin 2053 mg

This looks really high

> Folate 492 mcg

> B12 4089 mcg

The B12 looks really high, altho he might tolerate it if you increased

the folic acid. Does he have problems with this dose?

> Biotin 116 mcg

Try increasing this.

> ALA 2 mg

Is this alpha lipoic acid or alpha linoleic acid?

If lipoic, it would be chelating, but 2mg is a very low dose. You

might consider giving him a break from it every so often, to allow his

body to rest.

Several of the supplements tend to increase yeast, so watch for that.

Dana

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, I'd recommend getting rid of all ALA, even if it's only 2 mg.

Save it for a real chelation protocol where you're ready to dose

every 3 hours around the clock. Tiny amounts of ALA can still move

tiny amounts of mercury into the brain if administered on a schedule

that doesn't take ALA's half life into account. Over time this can

make your son a lot more toxic. You got a lot of good input from

other posts, but I'm surprised no one else has said this yet.

take care

René

> > > ALA 2 mg

> >

> >Is this alpha lipoic acid or alpha linoleic acid?

>

> Alpha lipoic acid - there is 1 mg in the Emergen-C packets that he

takes.

>

> >If lipoic, it would be chelating, but 2mg is a very low dose. You

> >might consider giving him a break from it every so often, to allow

his

> >body to rest.

>

> Good info! I'll go back and forth between the

> Emergen-C and the powdered Ester-C.

>

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> > > Folate 492 mcg

> > > B12 4089 mcg

> >

> >The B12 looks really high, altho he might tolerate it if you increased

> >the folic acid. Does he have problems with this dose?

>

> I was giving him 4mg because I was using a

> chewable but he wouldn't chew it, so I had to

> encapsulate it and it wouldn't be as

> effective...I got him to chew it yesterday

> though, so I'm going to drop it down so it will

> be 2089. Lab tests indicated possible decreased b12 utilization.

4mg is 4000mcg. Am I reading this wrong, or is your conversion off?

> >Several of the supplements tend to increase yeast, so watch for that.

>

> Other than a probiotic, is there something

> gentle, chewable or powdered, that I can give him

> every day to protect him?

Candidase or Candex enzyme, or No-Fenol which also comes as chewable.

>>Does GSE interact badly with other nutrients.

I would not use GSE unless you are actively trying to eliminate yeast.

I would not use it for maintenance.

Dana