Re: therapeutic trial of la/dmsa

July 31, 2006

>

> In andy's book amalgam illness andy wrote about a therpeutic

trial of

> ala/dmsa to determie if a person truly has mercury toxicity. All he

> specified was a 100 mg of la +100 mg ofDMSA be administered every

3 to

> 4 hours for several days and if the childs symptoms are exacerbated

> one could assume there is a problem with mercury.

> a couplf questions:

>

> Can anyone tell me what is the differ tween ALA and LA?

same thing. both abbreviations are used although ALA is more

common.

> He specified LA and DMSA for this mobilizaton therapeutic trial.

a " theraputic trial " just means " do the therapy and see if

it works " . Andy would be recommending that you do chelation,

as he (and I, FWIW) think it is best to chelate, which is

described here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Andy_dose_sched.html

> Also what would the dosage be fora 9 year old weighing about 58lbs

and

> a 5 year old weighing about 34-35lbs?

see above link. if still unclear, ask again or post about

what you don't understand at above link.

> I am assuming the 100 mg dosage would apply to a older person.

true. Actually, it applies to a " heavier " person!

>

> Also, how long is several days?

see above URL. 3 days or longer.

> If anyone has ever tried this or knows

> much about it I would greatly appreciate your response.

see comments above. It is just doing a chelation " round " .

good wishes,

Moria

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

Mercury Detox: Information, Tools, and Resources

>

> THanks!!

>

August 1, 2006

,

If the kids have NO mercury amalgam dental fillings, use 1/8-1/2 mg per lb every

3 hrs day and night for 3 days (and nights) and at least as many day/nights off.

If they have mercury fillings you have to have them removed according to proper

protocol before you can safely chelate.

S S

In andy's book amalgam illness andy wrote about a therpeutic

trial of

ala/dmsa to determie if a person truly has mercury toxicity. All he

specified was a 100 mg of la +100 mg ofDMSA be administered every 3 to

4 hours for several days and if the childs symptoms are exacerbated

one could assume there is a problem with mercury.

a couplf questions:

Can anyone tell me what is the differ tween ALA and LA?

He specified LA and DMSA for this mobilizaton therapeutic trial.

Also what would the dosage be fora 9 year old weighing about 58lbs and

a 5 year old weighing about 34-35lbs?

I am assuming the 100 mg dosage would apply to a older person.

Also, how long is several days? If anyone has ever tried this or knows

much about it I would greatly appreciate your response.

THanks!!

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August 2, 2006

> >Many thanks for your responses. If am unsure as to how much mercury

is in their system floating around veruses in the brain is there a

risk of moving peripheral (can't spell) mercury into the brain. I read

on Moria's link about knowing when to use ALA. So I guess the bi g

question is neither of my children have amalgam fillings but due to

their age they would have been affected 4 to 8 years ago if the

problems were due to vaccinations. As most of the thimerisol vaccines

were given in the first year of life. Is this a correct assumption? I

guess the big question is how do you know when you can use ALA? AT one

time my daughter revealed a large excretion of mercury on a provoked

250 mg o DMPS urine test but the last test we did she did not excrete

much of any metals. All we did in the interim was a product called

Immochelex which per Andy is not really a chelater. ANyway, we are now

trying to dtermine if we simply got a false negative on the last test

and we are trying to do a therapeutic trial. For my son, a provoked

challenge test revealed he had some metals but he has not chelated at

all. So the question is how do you determine when to give ALA?

Thanks again for your help!

> > In andy's book amalgam illness andy wrote about a therpeutic

> trial of

> > ala/dmsa to determie if a person truly has mercury toxicity. All he

> > specified was a 100 mg of la +100 mg ofDMSA be administered every

> 3 to

> > 4 hours for several days and if the childs symptoms are exacerbated

> > one could assume there is a problem with mercury.

> > a couplf questions:

> >

> > Can anyone tell me what is the differ tween ALA and LA?

>

> same thing. both abbreviations are used although ALA is more

> common.

>

> > He specified LA and DMSA for this mobilizaton therapeutic trial.

>

> a " theraputic trial " just means " do the therapy and see if

> it works " . Andy would be recommending that you do chelation,

> as he (and I, FWIW) think it is best to chelate, which is

> described here:

> http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Andy_dose_sched.html

>

> > Also what would the dosage be fora 9 year old weighing about 58lbs

> and

> > a 5 year old weighing about 34-35lbs?

>

> see above link. if still unclear, ask again or post about

> what you don't understand at above link.

>

> > I am assuming the 100 mg dosage would apply to a older person.

>

> true. Actually, it applies to a " heavier " person!

>

> >

> > Also, how long is several days?

>

> see above URL. 3 days or longer.

>

> > If anyone has ever tried this or knows

> > much about it I would greatly appreciate your response.

>

> see comments above. It is just doing a chelation " round " .

>

> good wishes,

> Moria

> http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

> Mercury Detox: Information, Tools, and Resources

>

> >

> > THanks!!

> >

>

August 2, 2006

Likely mercury is in both body and brain. You can use ala since

their exposure was more than three months ago. Unless they have had

any vaccines in the past three months. Flu vaccines and some others

still contain it, and likely the mercury free ones have trace. So

any vaccines be wary of, as long as they were done more than three

months ago you could use ala. Avoid any fish or seafood too.

Usually, they recomend you remove the body burden first with dmsa,

but some people do not do this. ALA is the only chelator I know of

that gets it out of the brain, so any brain metals would not show on

challenge. Also, mercury is mainly excreted in the feces, so some

will show in urine but not as much.

I don't know if others here have mentioned that challege tests can

be harmful and are not recomended due to the high one time dose of

chelator. And also the safety of dmps...is let's just say

questionable. Also that they are not useful in determining body

burden of metals. Some of the others can explain it better as to why

you want to avoid these tests.

Hair testing is a very accurate way to determine metal load and look

for signs that mercury is hiding. The cheapest way is to just

chelate a few rounds and see what happens. We started dmsa/ala with

our son and WOW! Definitely what he needed as his hair showed tons

of metals. My daughters overall toxicity was low, but her test

showed mercury interference. We have only done dmsa on her and it is

showing great improvements. She had her last metal filling removed

in July, so we have to wait the three months for ALA.

It sounds like as long as you have the right vitamins and

supplements in place you could go ahead and try it.

So to sum it up our therapeutic trial of one round proved to us that

we neededo continue! It really can't harm them using ala anyway.

Just follow the dosing and scheduling Andy recommends. Low dose and

frequently. Many people take woppingly high doses and only a few

times a day and get sick, it is too much at once. 1/8 mg per pound

every 3-3.5 hours for ala, for three days (nights included)followed

by at least four days off. My son is 40 pounds and takes 12.5mg.

> > >Many thanks for your responses. If am unsure as to how much

mercury

> is in their system floating around veruses in the brain is there a

> risk of moving peripheral (can't spell) mercury into the brain. I

read

> on Moria's link about knowing when to use ALA. So I guess the bi g

> question is neither of my children have amalgam fillings but due to

> their age they would have been affected 4 to 8 years ago if the

> problems were due to vaccinations. As most of the thimerisol

vaccines

> were given in the first year of life. Is this a correct

assumption? I

> guess the big question is how do you know when you can use ALA? AT

one

> time my daughter revealed a large excretion of mercury on a

provoked

> 250 mg o DMPS urine test but the last test we did she did not

excrete

> much of any metals. All we did in the interim was a product called

> Immochelex which per Andy is not really a chelater. ANyway, we are

now

> trying to dtermine if we simply got a false negative on the last

test

> and we are trying to do a therapeutic trial. For my son, a provoked

> challenge test revealed he had some metals but he has not chelated

at

> all. So the question is how do you determine when to give ALA?

>

> Thanks again for your help!

>

> > >

August 3, 2006

Please don't do any more challenges (provoked tests) they're dangerous and not

particularly helpful. Consider a DDI hair elements test with counting rules

applied.