URGENT + need help with regression...PLEASE!!!

[Guest guest]

Listmates,

My daughter is 5 years old and weighs about 36LBS. This is the first

time I'm chelating her, so this is new to me. My daughter canno't

tolerate sulpher chelators, so I went with a chelator called NDF

Plus. Initially she made good gains in language, attention/focus and

coping skills; however, pretty early on she started having irregular

bowel movements and was only pooping every 3-5 days. After this, she

went through a regression and I stopped giving her 4 drops and backed

down to one drop. I took her to the ER and the doctor did an X-Ray

and also examined my daughter and determined she was not impacted?

I'm not sure if she's been suffering from constipation, or if she's

not pooping every day because she doesn't eat as much as other

children and also because she eats lots of proteins and not many carbs?

My daughter has lost all the initial gains she's made from the

chelator and also lost the gains she's made 5 months ago when we

started her on the GF/CF/SF diet. She is very verbally stimmy, her

language has resorted to mostly movie talk (Caillou wants a hotdog),

her attention/focus and eye contact are also very poor and she just

seems checked out!!!!

I have her fecal metal test and it shows she is pulling one thing in

the red, and lots of other things in the high green and lots in the

yellow. Lead was in the yellow and mercury was 1/4 way across green.

She probably has redistribution since she's was not going to the

bathroom daily and pulled so many metals. The regression has been for

about 1 month and has not lifted!!! Should I give her activated

charcoal to see if it helps? I just stopped the one drop I was giving

her yesterday, but she has been regressed for 1 month? What CAN I do

to pull her through the regression. She started chelating w/ NDF Plus

at the end of June.

Thanks, PAt

Thanks, PAt

[Guest guest]

For the constipation, I tried everythign under the sun. THEN I tried milk of

magnesia one tablespoon, 2 days in a row. Which worked--my son pooped 4 big

poops in 30 hours. I can't remember why I didn't try it to begin with so

there might be a good reason. But it seems to be GFCF. I don't know if that

will help given the clear Xray. This is everyone's nightmare I hope it's a

case of she is temporarily getting worse before she gets much better.

Supposedly poop is also made up of bacterial stuff.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of curealexis001

Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 4:40 PM

Subject: [ ] URGENT + need help with regression...PLEASE!!!

Listmates,

My daughter is 5 years old and weighs about 36LBS. This is the first

time I'm chelating her, so this is new to me. My daughter canno't

tolerate sulpher chelators, so I went with a chelator called NDF

Plus. Initially she made good gains in language, attention/focus and

coping skills; however, pretty early on she started having irregular

bowel movements and was only pooping every 3-5 days. After this, she

went through a regression and I stopped giving her 4 drops and backed

down to one drop. I took her to the ER and the doctor did an X-Ray

and also examined my daughter and determined she was not impacted?

I'm not sure if she's been suffering from constipation, or if she's

not pooping every day because she doesn't eat as much as other

children and also because she eats lots of proteins and not many carbs?

My daughter has lost all the initial gains she's made from the

chelator and also lost the gains she's made 5 months ago when we

started her on the GF/CF/SF diet. She is very verbally stimmy, her

language has resorted to mostly movie talk (Caillou wants a hotdog),

her attention/focus and eye contact are also very poor and she just

seems checked out!!!!

I have her fecal metal test and it shows she is pulling one thing in

the red, and lots of other things in the high green and lots in the

yellow. Lead was in the yellow and mercury was 1/4 way across green.

She probably has redistribution since she's was not going to the

bathroom daily and pulled so many metals. The regression has been for

about 1 month and has not lifted!!! Should I give her activated

charcoal to see if it helps? I just stopped the one drop I was giving

her yesterday, but she has been regressed for 1 month? What CAN I do

to pull her through the regression. She started chelating w/ NDF Plus

at the end of June.

Thanks, PAt

Thanks, PAt

[Guest guest]

Pat,

How did you determine that she can't tolerate sulfur chelators? Please read the

archives of this list for why NDF is a bad idea. How many mercury amalgam

dental fillings does your daughter have? What supplements is/was she on? When

was her most recent vaccine?

S S

<p>Listmates,<br>

My daughter is 5 years old and weighs about 36LBS. This is the first <br>

time I'm chelating her, so this is new to me. My daughter canno't <br>

tolerate sulpher chelators, so I went with a chelator called NDF <br>

Plus. Initially she made good gains in language, attention/focus and <br>

coping skills; however, pretty early on she started having irregular <br>

bowel movements and was only pooping every 3-5 days. After this, she <br>

went through a regression and I stopped giving her 4 drops and backed <br>

down to one drop. I took her to the ER and the doctor did an X-Ray <br>

and also examined my daughter and determined she was not impacted? <br>

I'm not sure if she's been suffering from constipation, or if she's <br>

not pooping every day because she doesn't eat as much as other <br>

children and also because she eats lots of proteins and not many carbs?<br>

<br>

My daughter has lost all the initial gains she's made from the <br>

chelator and also lost the gains she's made 5 months ago when we <br>

started her on the GF/CF/SF diet. She is very verbally stimmy, her <br>

language has resorted to mostly movie talk (Caillou wants a hotdog), <br>

her attention/focus and eye contact are also very poor and she just <br>

seems checked out!!!!<br>

<br>

I have her fecal metal test and it shows she is pulling one thing in <br>

the red, and lots of other things in the high green and lots in the <br>

yellow. Lead was in the yellow and mercury was 1/4 way across green. <br>

She probably has redistribution since she's was not going to the <br>

bathroom daily and pulled so many metals. The regression has been for <br>

about 1 month and has not lifted!!! Should I give her activated <br>

charcoal to see if it helps? I just stopped the one drop I was giving <br>

her yesterday, but she has been regressed for 1 month? What CAN I do <br>

to pull her through the regression. She started chelating w/ NDF Plus <br>

at the end of June.<br>

<br>

Thanks, PAt<br>

_______________________________________________

Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com

The most personalized portal on the Web!

[Guest guest]

This sounds like yeast. My son cannot poop during chelation unless

we are treating yeast, and he will get stimmy, fussy and all that

when he doesn't go. Is she on probiotics, and yeast protocol like

Grapefruit seed extract? It sounds like you got redistribution.

You may need to see about using another chelator or treating the

yeast and attempting to do the NDF again. Usually we maintain yeast

treatment by starting a day or two before the chelator and

continuing until a day or two after we finish a round. And don't be

afraid to give some senna or whatever to make her poop everyday

while on a round. It is really important that she go.

Activated charcoal will soak up yeast die off when you add yeast

protocol, however do not give it at the same time as yeast

treatment, or probiotics or the chelator.

If treating the yeast doesn't help, you may want to try a different

chelation protocol. I am not sure if NDF removes metals from the

brain.

>

> Listmates,

> My daughter is 5 years old and weighs about 36LBS. This is the

first

> time I'm chelating her, so this is new to me. My daughter canno't

> tolerate sulpher chelators, so I went with a chelator called NDF

> Plus. Initially she made good gains in language, attention/focus

and

> coping skills; however, pretty early on she started having

irregular

> bowel movements and was only pooping every 3-5 days. After this,

she

> went through a regression and I stopped giving her 4 drops and

backed

> down to one drop. I took her to the ER and the doctor did an X-

Ray

> and also examined my daughter and determined she was not

impacted?

> I'm not sure if she's been suffering from constipation, or if

she's

> not pooping every day because she doesn't eat as much as other

> children and also because she eats lots of proteins and not many

carbs?

>

> My daughter has lost all the initial gains she's made from the

> chelator and also lost the gains she's made 5 months ago when we

> started her on the GF/CF/SF diet. She is very verbally stimmy,

her

> language has resorted to mostly movie talk (Caillou wants a

hotdog),

> her attention/focus and eye contact are also very poor and she

just

> seems checked out!!!!

>

> I have her fecal metal test and it shows she is pulling one thing

in

> the red, and lots of other things in the high green and lots in

the

> yellow. Lead was in the yellow and mercury was 1/4 way across

green.

> She probably has redistribution since she's was not going to the

> bathroom daily and pulled so many metals. The regression has been

for

> about 1 month and has not lifted!!! Should I give her activated

> charcoal to see if it helps? I just stopped the one drop I was

giving

> her yesterday, but she has been regressed for 1 month? What CAN I

do

> to pull her through the regression. She started chelating w/ NDF

Plus

> at the end of June.

>

> Thanks, PAt

>

> Thanks, PAt

>

[Guest guest]

, what file is it that states the problems with NDF? We are

also on it and I'd like to read this.

Thanks, Molly

>

> <p>Listmates,<br>

> My daughter is 5 years old and weighs about 36LBS. This is the

first <br>

> time I'm chelating her, so this is new to me. My daughter canno't

<br>

> tolerate sulpher chelators, so I went with a chelator called NDF

<br>

> Plus. Initially she made good gains in language, attention/focus

and <br>

> coping skills; however, pretty early on she started having

irregular <br>

> bowel movements and was only pooping every 3-5 days. After this,

she <br>

> went through a regression and I stopped giving her 4 drops and

backed <br>

> down to one drop. I took her to the ER and the doctor did an X-

Ray <br>

> and also examined my daughter and determined she was not impacted?

<br>

> I'm not sure if she's been suffering from constipation, or if she's

<br>

> not pooping every day because she doesn't eat as much as other <br>

> children and also because she eats lots of proteins and not many

carbs?<br>

> <br>

> My daughter has lost all the initial gains she's made from the <br>

> chelator and also lost the gains she's made 5 months ago when we

<br>

> started her on the GF/CF/SF diet. She is very verbally stimmy, her

<br>

> language has resorted to mostly movie talk (Caillou wants a

hotdog), <br>

> her attention/focus and eye contact are also very poor and she just

<br>

> seems checked out!!!!<br>

> <br>

> I have her fecal metal test and it shows she is pulling one thing

in <br>

> the red, and lots of other things in the high green and lots in the

<br>

> yellow. Lead was in the yellow and mercury was 1/4 way across

green. <br>

> She probably has redistribution since she's was not going to the

<br>

> bathroom daily and pulled so many metals. The regression has been

for <br>

> about 1 month and has not lifted!!! Should I give her activated

<br>

> charcoal to see if it helps? I just stopped the one drop I was

giving <br>

> her yesterday, but she has been regressed for 1 month? What CAN I

do <br>

> to pull her through the regression. She started chelating w/ NDF

Plus <br>

> at the end of June.<br>

> <br>

> Thanks, PAt<br>

>

>

> _______________________________________________

> Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com

> The most personalized portal on the Web!

>

[Guest guest]

Pat,

I regressed with NDF and so did a close friend of mine. I felt what

it was like. I would not use NDF ever again.

The regression can be resolved with proper chelation. The first

thing to do is to start the basic supplements that Andy recommends.

See the files section here for the supplement file. Adequate

vitamin C and Mg should resolve the constipation (if that is a

problem). It could be that she has lost her appetite.

What led you to believe that your daughter doesn't tolerate sulfur

chelators? The most common problem is that people use way too large

a dose of chelator at first. What I have found from my own

experience of chelating myself is that there is a very narrow window

of dose that is appropriate for the individual. If a person picks a

dose that is too high it might 'appear' that they are not tolerating

the chelator when in fact the dose is just too high and it is moving

too many metals at once. Dropping the dose corrects the problem.

For me, I had intolerable symptoms at 25 mg DMPS or 25 mg DMSA per

dose. I had manageable symptoms at 18 mg per dose, and no symptoms

at all at 12.5 mg per dose. I have tested this on myself several

times and the exact same symptoms are reproducible every time. I

can only tolerate 5 mg ALA per dose. I have read posts from several

adults in chelation groups who can only tolerate 5 mg ALA per dose

and some even less. The amount of chelator that a person can

tolerate is very much an individual thing. Very sensitive

individuals (like me) find that they have to go even lower than

Andy's recommended range of 1/8 to 1/2 mg per pound to start. As

chelation progresses and some metals are cleared the dose can be

increased slightly, only if tolerated.

There are suggestions in Andy Cutler's 'Amalgam Illness' book about

what to do in the case of an adverse reaction to improper chelation.

Many of the things there are things he has talked about on this

list - eliminate sulfur foods, lots of vitamin C, E, Mg, appropriate

supplementation. I'm just going on memory here. It would be better

to read the section of his book. The book is really a must have as

a reference for anyone chelating.

J

>

> Listmates,

> My daughter is 5 years old and weighs about 36LBS. This is the

first

> time I'm chelating her, so this is new to me. My daughter canno't

> tolerate sulpher chelators, so I went with a chelator called NDF

> Plus. Initially she made good gains in language, attention/focus

and

> coping skills; however, pretty early on she started having

irregular

> bowel movements and was only pooping every 3-5 days. After this,

she

> went through a regression and I stopped giving her 4 drops and

backed

> down to one drop. I took her to the ER and the doctor did an

X-Ray

> and also examined my daughter and determined she was not impacted?

> I'm not sure if she's been suffering from constipation, or if

she's

> not pooping every day because she doesn't eat as much as other

> children and also because she eats lots of proteins and not many

carbs?

>

> My daughter has lost all the initial gains she's made from the

> chelator and also lost the gains she's made 5 months ago when we

> started her on the GF/CF/SF diet. She is very verbally stimmy,

her

> language has resorted to mostly movie talk (Caillou wants a

hotdog),

> her attention/focus and eye contact are also very poor and she

just

> seems checked out!!!!

>

> I have her fecal metal test and it shows she is pulling one thing

in

> the red, and lots of other things in the high green and lots in

the

> yellow. Lead was in the yellow and mercury was 1/4 way across

green.

> She probably has redistribution since she's was not going to the

> bathroom daily and pulled so many metals. The regression has been

for

> about 1 month and has not lifted!!! Should I give her activated

> charcoal to see if it helps? I just stopped the one drop I was

giving

> her yesterday, but she has been regressed for 1 month? What CAN I

do

> to pull her through the regression. She started chelating w/ NDF

Plus

> at the end of June.

>

> Thanks, PAt

>

> Thanks, PAt

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > <p>Listmates,<br>

> > My daughter is 5 years old and weighs about 36LBS. This is the

> first <br>

> > time I'm chelating her, so this is new to me. My daughter

canno't

> <br>

> > tolerate sulpher chelators, so I went with a chelator called NDF

> <br>

> > Plus. Initially she made good gains in language,

attention/focus

> and <br>

> > coping skills; however, pretty early on she started having

> irregular <br>

> > bowel movements and was only pooping every 3-5 days. After

this,

> she <br>

> > went through a regression and I stopped giving her 4 drops and

> backed <br>

> > down to one drop. I took her to the ER and the doctor did an X-

> Ray <br>

> > and also examined my daughter and determined she was not

impacted?

> <br>

> > I'm not sure if she's been suffering from constipation, or if

she's

> <br>

> > not pooping every day because she doesn't eat as much as other

<br>

> > children and also because she eats lots of proteins and not many

> carbs?<br>

> > <br>

> > My daughter has lost all the initial gains she's made from the

<br>

> > chelator and also lost the gains she's made 5 months ago when we

> <br>

> > started her on the GF/CF/SF diet. She is very verbally stimmy,

her

> <br>

> > language has resorted to mostly movie talk (Caillou wants a

> hotdog), <br>

> > her attention/focus and eye contact are also very poor and she

just

> <br>

> > seems checked out!!!!<br>

> > <br>

> > I have her fecal metal test and it shows she is pulling one

thing

> in <br>

> > the red, and lots of other things in the high green and lots in

the

> <br>

> > yellow. Lead was in the yellow and mercury was 1/4 way across

> green. <br>

> > She probably has redistribution since she's was not going to the

> <br>

> > bathroom daily and pulled so many metals. The regression has

been

> for <br>

> > about 1 month and has not lifted!!! Should I give her activated

> <br>

> > charcoal to see if it helps? I just stopped the one drop I was

> giving <br>

> > her yesterday, but she has been regressed for 1 month? What CAN

I

> do <br>

> > to pull her through the regression. She started chelating w/

NDF

> Plus <br>

> > at the end of June.<br>

> > <br>

> > Thanks, PAt<br>

> >

> >

> > _______________________________________________

> > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com

> > The most personalized portal on the Web!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>>so I went with a chelator called NDF

> Plus. Initially she made good gains in language, attention/focus and

> coping skills; however, pretty early on she started having irregular

> bowel movements and was only pooping every 3-5 days.

If in fact it is pulling metals, it will probably cause a yeast

overgrowth issue. And yeast can cause constipation. Try increasing

your yeast protocol, see if that helps.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> Moria has compiled a web page with links to user reports on various

> products, including NDF. If someone gives the link to her home page

> (I can't remember it right now) you will find those reports.

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Chelation_products.html

good wishes,

Moria

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

Mercury Detox: Information, Tools, and Resources