Re: How to stop ds from exploring his private & digging his nose

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

>

>

> I'm not too good in describing this in more refined words.

>

> For the last 2 years, our 79 months old ASD son has been

> pulling/exploring his penis.

I told my son that it was fine to play with his penis but he needed to

do it in private. Sometimes I'd take him to his room (not in a

punitive way)so he could have some privacy.

Yeast sometimes made his penis itchy and I think it was very hard for

him to stop when that happened.

I'm Ok with him

> digging the nose but certainly not let him eat what he dug

> out

I think most children do this. Just keep explaining and gently

correcting...

Nell

[Guest guest]

I actually heard a news report (maybe on NPR?) about a month or so

ago about how eating boogies was probably one of the healthiest

activities out there, and I don't think it was a spoof. That said,

it isn't exactly acceptable social behavior... :-)

Anne

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> >

> > I'm not too good in describing this in more refined words.

> >

> > For the last 2 years, our 79 months old ASD son has been

> > pulling/exploring his penis.

>

> I told my son that it was fine to play with his penis but he needed

to

> do it in private. Sometimes I'd take him to his room (not in a

> punitive way)so he could have some privacy.

>

> Yeast sometimes made his penis itchy and I think it was very hard

for

> him to stop when that happened.

>

> I'm Ok with him

> > digging the nose but certainly not let him eat what he dug

> > out

>

> I think most children do this. Just keep explaining and gently

> correcting...

>

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I actually heard a news report (maybe on NPR?) about a month or so

> ago about how eating boogies was probably one of the healthiest

> activities out there, and I don't think it was a spoof.

OK, that's hilarious! Do you remember anything about the reasons?

Nell

[Guest guest]

Okay, leave it to Anne :-)

I googled this and here's one of the hits I got.

http://in.news./040411/139/2ci0w.html

I wrote my son's IPP and actually considered putting " learn to pick

his nose " as one of the goals. Then I realized my credibility was

already in question and left it out. Regretting that now.

Anita

> >

> > I actually heard a news report (maybe on NPR?) about a month or

so

> > ago about how eating boogies was probably one of the healthiest

> > activities out there, and I don't think it was a spoof.

>

> OK, that's hilarious! Do you remember anything about the reasons?

>

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

> For the last 2 years, our 79 months old ASD son has been

> pulling/exploring his penis.

This meant yeast for my son.

> One other ds' gross behavior is :

> he would dig his nose & eat what he dug out - he did it so

> fast that sometimes we cant stop him in time & sometimes

> stopping him would result in tantrums. I'm Ok with him

> digging the nose but certainly not let him eat what he dug

> out

I can't definitively say this was also yeast for my son, but now that

you mention it, my son did occasionally do this, and it is possible

that it was also related to yeast.

Dana

[Guest guest]

-I would agree with Dana- in our experience with our son it is

always yeast flares.

-- In , " danasview " <danasview@...>

wrote:

>

>

> > For the last 2 years, our 79 months old ASD son has been

> > pulling/exploring his penis.

>

>

> This meant yeast for my son.

>

>

> > One other ds' gross behavior is :

> > he would dig his nose & eat what he dug out - he did it so

> > fast that sometimes we cant stop him in time & sometimes

> > stopping him would result in tantrums. I'm Ok with him

> > digging the nose but certainly not let him eat what he dug

> > out

>

>

> I can't definitively say this was also yeast for my son, but now

that

> you mention it, my son did occasionally do this, and it is possible

> that it was also related to yeast.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nell/Dana/Anne/Sue,

Thanks for the replies.

I doubt it's a case of yeast flare-ups for my son : Anne mentioned about the

itch

but in the case of 6yo ds, he's not scratching his private; only pulling

the tip &

pressing it. Many males have itchy privates (due to eczema or yeast) & they

would scratch it but don't think this is the case with ds (pardon my

grossness).

It happened only occasionally & usually when he's wearing loose pants (those

with elastic band) that enable him to remove his pants easily. He would not

take

the trouble to unzip pants to do the exploration though he knows how to

unzip

for urinating/pooing purpose.

Besides, ds is on daily dose of 60billion CFUs of Culturelle plus 4 capsules

of

NoPhenols (sometimes, the 60 billion CFUs is replaced with 150billion CFUs

of

Kirkman SuperProbio 75B). Is it possible to have yeast flare-ups that

result

in exploring private without feeling itchy? I've seen him scratching his

head

when he felt itchy on the head (yes, when he's less than 1 year old, he

sufferred from severe 'cradle scalp' - very dry head scalp)

For his nose digging, we tried pulling his hands away (if in time) & said a

firm " No " . As he has severe Auditory processing issue (can't understand

most of the words being said), took us quite some effort to teach him things

through verbal instructions. There are occasions it resulted in nose-

bleeding but I'm not sure if the digging cause the bleeding because more

than 2.5 years ago when he had not yet learnt to dig his nose, there's a

a couple of rare incident where his nose bled.

So trying to teach him to do these things in private is not feasible at this

moment yet, or there's ways to do it?

We went thru probably more than a year of intense toilet training from

age 20 months till he's fully toilet trained at about 3 yo. Now at 79

months

old, he still needs an adult to clean his butt after his poo (though he

knows

how to remove his pants/put it back & do the flushing). Teaching him to

self clean is the next goal the therapist wants us to achieve but this looks

like a hurdle (I heard Ron Leaf's " Work In Progress " has a chapter on this?)

Thanks

G

On 12/9/06, lanellici <lanellici@...> wrote:

>

>

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> >

> > I'm not too good in describing this in more refined words.

> >

> > For the last 2 years, our 79 months old ASD son has been

> > pulling/exploring his penis.

>

> I told my son that it was fine to play with his penis but he needed to

> do it in private. Sometimes I'd take him to his room (not in a

> punitive way)so he could have some privacy.

>

> Yeast sometimes made his penis itchy and I think it was very hard for

> him to stop when that happened.

>

> I'm Ok with him

> > digging the nose but certainly not let him eat what he dug

> > out

>

> I think most children do this. Just keep explaining and gently

> correcting...

>

> Nell

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I doubt it's a case of yeast flare-ups for my son :

Why?

Anne mentioned about the

> itch

> but in the case of 6yo ds, he's not scratching his private; only

pulling

> the tip &

> pressing it.

Yep, this is yeast for my son.

> Besides, ds is on daily dose of 60billion CFUs of Culturelle plus 4

capsules

> of

> NoPhenols (sometimes, the 60 billion CFUs is replaced with

150billion CFUs

> of

> Kirkman SuperProbio 75B).

For my son, this would not have been nearly enough yeast control if he

was chelating, taking anti-virals, or several other supplements.

>> Is it possible to have yeast flare-ups that

> result

> in exploring private without feeling itchy?

For my son, yes.

I've seen him scratching his

> head

> when he felt itchy on the head (yes, when he's less than 1 year old, he

> sufferred from severe 'cradle scalp' - very dry head scalp)

I eliminated this problem for my kids with biotin and selenium

supplementation. For some kids, it is yeast on the scalp.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> > I doubt it's a case of yeast flare-ups for my son :

>

>

> Why?

>

>

> Anne mentioned about the

> > itch

> > but in the case of 6yo ds, he's not scratching his private; only

> pulling

> > the tip &

> > pressing it.

>

>

> Yep, this is yeast for my son.

My son does this type of thing too, and while it never totally goes

away, it does diminish with really good yeast control. Also, I think

oxalate issues and this type of play may be connected. Hopefully

others who know more about oxalate stuff can chime in on this one.

> > Besides, ds is on daily dose of 60billion CFUs of Culturelle plus

4

> capsules

> > of

> > NoPhenols (sometimes, the 60 billion CFUs is replaced with

> 150billion CFUs

> > of

> > Kirkman SuperProbio 75B).

>

>

> For my son, this would not have been nearly enough yeast control if

he

> was chelating, taking anti-virals, or several other supplements.

>

>

My son basically has to be on Rx antifungals all the time these days

or yeast is too much.

> >> Is it possible to have yeast flare-ups that

> > result

> > in exploring private without feeling itchy?

>

>

> For my son, yes.

>

For my son, I think yes, though I think there are other things that

contribute (like oxalate issues) and habit (he has been playing with

his penis since he was six months old (yeast/oxalates).

>

Anne