Re: Re: Andy Cutler Controversy?

[Guest guest]

As gut bugs are yeast, any chelator can cause yeast. We had way more yeast with

dmsa rather than with Ala.

It's funny, people use Ala all the time on this board and somehow manage, but

people on other boards are told not to use Ala because it causes yeast.

There are a few kids that get such terrible yeast with Ala, but I have read

about the same number of kids who get terrible yeast with Dmsa and noone

suggests not using it. IMO, I agree that there is a little bit of hysteria by

some attached to the use of Ala. Thinking that the hysteria is indirectly

related to Andy and the research he has pointed out that states that only Ala

enters the bbb.

[ ] Re: Andy Cutler Controversy?

Thanks, thats what I was thinking...but that seems ashame.

DAN! doctors are just human after all, I'm sure there are more than

a few that deserve a good thrashing. As a parent I want to know ALL

the opinions good and bad so that I can do what I think is right for

my babies. Do you know why ALA would cause gut bugs??

>

> It's pretty much because he doesn't follow DAN protocol and has

had some very choice words for DAN doctors (he doesn't exactly sugar-

coat his comments), so it was decided on CK2 that talking about Andy

would just lead to too much arguement and contraversy - at least

that's my take on it. I just use both lists and get what I can from

any and all philosophies.

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

> From: " myparkerg " <myparkerg@...>

> Can someone please tell me what the big controversy is about Andy

> Cutler?

> It is a forbidden topic on another group I'm in and I don't

understand

> why. Is it because he doesn't follow DAN! protocol??

> I read about him and he sounds reasonable...I heard something bad

> about gut bugs, but seriously what is the drama?

> Does anyone feel strongly for or against, please email me.

> myparkerg@...

>

> Thanks!!

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In addition to yeasts, some gut bugs are bacteria or parasites, although I'm not

sure if they're aggravated by chelation. Anyone know?

Thanks,

--------- [ ] Re: Andy Cutler Controversy?

Thanks, thats what I was thinking...but that seems ashame.

DAN! doctors are just human after all, I'm sure there are more than

a few that deserve a good thrashing. As a parent I want to know ALL

the opinions good and bad so that I can do what I think is right for

my babies. Do you know why ALA would cause gut bugs??

>

> It's pretty much because he doesn't follow DAN protocol and has

had some very choice words for DAN doctors (he doesn't exactly sugar-

coat his comments), so it was decided on CK2 that talking about Andy

would just lead to too much arguement and contraversy - at least

that's my take on it. I just use both lists and get what I can from

any and all philosophies.

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

> From: " myparkerg " <myparkerg@...>

> Can someone please tell me what the big controversy is about Andy

> Cutler?

> It is a forbidden topic on another group I'm in and I don't

understand

> why. Is it because he doesn't follow DAN! protocol??

> I read about him and he sounds reasonable...I heard something bad

> about gut bugs, but seriously what is the drama?

> Does anyone feel strongly for or against, please email me.

> myparkerg@...

>

> Thanks!!

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for weighing in on this, Mark, but lots of people give oral and only a

few complaints about the Ala causing any problems, even at night. This can be

negated by giving with food or drink as I think most people do.

Don't know for sure, but thinking Andy would never think mixing the forms of

chelators a good idea, maybe we should ask? Maybe something in the archives.

[ ] Re: Andy Cutler Controversy?

For what its worth I disagree with the NOT using combination of

using TD and oral. I think its ok. As long as there is continual

circulatory ALA in the body there is chelatation happening. Its

just not that exact of a measurement. A 100mg capsule can contain

anywhere from 75mg to 125mg of ALA due to the + or _ tolerance that

is typically given. During the waking hours we do oral when he has

food in his tummy and at night we do TD-ALA. Something else to

consider is ALA is harsh on the esophagus and waking the child up at

night and having them take a pill quickly and immediately lay back

down can cause problems. The squeeze bottle of liquid is a good idea.

> > >

> > > These will give you a flavor:

> > >

> > > Autism-

Mercury/message/100067

> > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html?

> highlight=andrewhallcutler%

> > 20DAN

> > > Autism-

Mercury/message/129186

> > >

> > > W.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Only found one post concerning the mixing oral and td versions.

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/126034.html

[ ] Re: Andy Cutler Controversy?

For what its worth I disagree with the NOT using combination of

using TD and oral. I think its ok. As long as there is continual

circulatory ALA in the body there is chelatation happening. Its

just not that exact of a measurement. A 100mg capsule can contain

anywhere from 75mg to 125mg of ALA due to the + or _ tolerance that

is typically given. During the waking hours we do oral when he has

food in his tummy and at night we do TD-ALA. Something else to

consider is ALA is harsh on the esophagus and waking the child up at

night and having them take a pill quickly and immediately lay back

down can cause problems. The squeeze bottle of liquid is a good idea.

> > >

> > > These will give you a flavor:

> > >

> > > Autism-

Mercury/message/100067

> > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html?

> highlight=andrewhallcutler%

> > 20DAN

> > > Autism-

Mercury/message/129186

> > >

> > > W.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't mix the two. ALA given orally has a much higher intake by the body

(60%ish) than transdermal applications (single digit levels) do. When dosing

it's best to keep the level steady for the entire cycle. You don't want a

rollercoaster ride, but rather steady, level.

[ ] Re: Andy Cutler Controversy?

Thanks !

I see the point. I guess saying... " So you have a field largely filled

with crazy, arrogant, ignorant doctors who will believe whatever

fantastic story some other doctor tells them " does seem a little harsh

(lol).

Still I think ALA sounds like a good idea...

I am thinking about capsules during the day and td-rla at night so I

don't have to wake the little guy up.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Therese

(Mom to 2.3 years old ASD nonverbal)

>

> These will give you a flavor:

>

> /message/100067

> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html?highlight=andrewhallcutler%

20DAN

> /message/129186

>

> W.

>

[Guest guest]

If you drop from a high or moderate circulatory level of chelator to low level

at night there may be mercury ions mobilized without the chelatin' dance partner

to hook up with. The idea to limit redistribution is to make sure a steady level

of chelator is maintained in the body for a minimal of 72 hours and employ

anti-oxidants to curb redistribution effects, if any.

[ ] Re: Andy Cutler Controversy?

For what its worth I disagree with the NOT using combination of

using TD and oral. I think its ok. As long as there is continual

circulatory ALA in the body there is chelatation happening. Its

just not that exact of a measurement. A 100mg capsule can contain

anywhere from 75mg to 125mg of ALA due to the + or _ tolerance that

is typically given. During the waking hours we do oral when he has

food in his tummy and at night we do TD-ALA. Something else to

consider is ALA is harsh on the esophagus and waking the child up at

night and having them take a pill quickly and immediately lay back

down can cause problems. The squeeze bottle of liquid is a good idea.

> > >

> > > These will give you a flavor:

> > >

> > > Autism-

Mercury/message/100067

> > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html?

> highlight=andrewhallcutler%

> > 20DAN

> > > Autism-

Mercury/message/129186

> > >

> > > W.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/08/2006 01:03:16 GMT Daylight Time,

Ladyshrink111@... writes:

Don't know for sure, but thinking Andy would never think mixing the forms of

chelators a good idea, maybe we should ask? Maybe something in the archives.

>>He doesn't think its a good idea but as I recall, bettter than nothing if

there is no other way to get it in at night - could be wrong though

Mandi in UK

[Guest guest]

Is Amalgam illness where you got the total protocol?

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Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 6:10 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Andy Cutler Controversy?

>

> Andy's protocol has never changed. He always hits the nail on the

>head, and he has never, ever steered my family wrong. My daughter has

>recovered using his protocol. What he said then holds true now. We

>had no regression, only slow azd noticeable improvements.

I can say exactly the same. My son lost his diagnosis thanks to Andy,

and I'm in a lot better shape than I was when I first got here. Every

time I go back to read through " Amalgam Illness " I find some other

little detail that's right on the money, from the itchy dry spot on my

ankle to the reason I can't handle novocaine at the dentist's. It's

actually spooky to be reading along and keep mumbing, " Yes! I have that! "

And I know we've talked about this before, but something about Andy's

tone made me instantly believe him. Without Andy, n would be

headed to some bad places by now, no doubt in my mind. I owe him

everything.

Nell

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 13/08/2006 05:33:56 GMT Daylight Time,

kylesmom@... writes:

Is Amalgam illness where you got the total protocol?

>>>Much of it is in the group files which are also maintained on this site

by Moria one of our listmates, for ease of access

_http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/_ (http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/)

I think the book is excellent also

Mandi in UK