Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 In a message dated 5/22/2006 1:18:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, donnabzy@... writes: How many of you here, if any, have a child on the autism spectrum who is also being considered to have ODD? Did it change your behavioral therapy or anything else? Did it change how the school views your child or their IEP? Thanks, Donna Donna, there is a fine line between what is truly AS and what spills over into ODD. My son was also considered for that diagnosis. I would not encourage you to share a diagnosis of ODD with the school. It is a behavioral diagnosis and would not warrant understanding by school officials that the diagnosis of AS would. ODD is a behavioral diagnosis, AS is a neurological diagnosis. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 My son was originally diagnosed with ADHD and ODD. Some people look at ODD as a problem with how the child is parented. (SOME) I hate that title! Personally, if I were a kid today , dealing with everyone around me (save the mom and dad) trying to make me do everything that is so hard and blaming me for my shortcomings, I would be called ODD too. Your child may be struggling because of an ASD. Find out what behaviors he has, and why they are caused. Looking into that, will help more clearly describe his 'label.' In MY expriance, yeah, the ODD meant to my sons school, " he is a problem and has a BEHAVIORAL Problem, and we will treat him in such a way that proves it!!! " Arghh!! Who is considering him to be ODD? (don't tell me anyone at the school. I just might have to jump over and , I don't know... bite them. hahahaha Just kidding! A little mean, I know.... Just a reaction to the three letters. ODD) *smile* B > > How many of you here, if any, have a child on the autism spectrum who is > also being considered to have ODD? Did it change your behavioral therapy > or anything else? Did it change how the school views your child or their > IEP? > > Thanks, > Donna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Hi, My child was diagnosed aspergers and ODD. His behavior can be disruptive in a a classroom when he gets out of control. It changed his IEP only because I asked for it to be changed. I wanted him to have a safe place he could go to when he was feeling out of sorts. He now goes to his guidence counselors office and vents for a while till he feels better and is able to continue his day. They say that as they mature (my son is 13) both the ODD and the aspergers improves. I think that it all depends on the school and how it is treated there. We had a very different experience in MA where we just moved from. They just used to call me to get him when he was acting out and then they used to suspend him for a few days. He spent more days at home than at school. Here in Texas it is a complete other story. Much better and a whole lot more understanding.. Joan ppanda65@... wrote: In a message dated 5/22/2006 1:18:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, donnabzy@... writes: How many of you here, if any, have a child on the autism spectrum who is also being considered to have ODD? Did it change your behavioral therapy or anything else? Did it change how the school views your child or their IEP? Thanks, Donna Donna, there is a fine line between what is truly AS and what spills over into ODD. My son was also considered for that diagnosis. I would not encourage you to share a diagnosis of ODD with the school. It is a behavioral diagnosis and would not warrant understanding by school officials that the diagnosis of AS would. ODD is a behavioral diagnosis, AS is a neurological diagnosis. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 --- Donna B <donnabzy@...> wrote: > How many of you here, if any, have a child on the > autism spectrum who is > also being considered to have ODD? My son was given a diagnosis of AS, ADHD, OCD, ODD, and depression by the first psych we saw-who pushed meds like crazy. While he was on some of the meds he has been on (Paxil, Lexapro, Risperadal, Geodon,) he exibited some ODD tendencies. Now that he isn't on any of those meds, he no longer shows the signs of any ODD tendencies. Needless to say, we left that psych in a hurry. The new psych only addressed the OCD and has medicated him for that and he has done wonderful. No ODD at all. So far school doesn't really want to recognize any of the diagnosis. He is under Autism for his eligibility for services. No one really sees any problems except for written/expressive language. However, while we had the meds and everything was a nightmare, the teachers were really for us medicating him. He had to be on Xanax to even attempt to go to school. Then they complained he was too drugged. It didn't change the schools view towards his IEP since they thought I was enabling a child that was lazy. This is our story. Melinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 > > > How many of you here, if any, have a child on the > > autism spectrum who is > > also being considered to have ODD? > > My son was given a diagnosis of AS, ADHD, OCD, ODD, > and depression by the first psych we saw-who pushed > meds like crazy. While he was on some of the meds he > has been on (Paxil, Lexapro, Risperadal, Geodon,) he > exibited some ODD tendencies. Now that he isn't on any > of those meds, he no longer shows the signs of any ODD > tendencies. Needless to say, we left that psych in a > hurry. The new psych only addressed the OCD and has > medicated him for that and he has done wonderful. No > ODD at all. > > So far school doesn't really want to recognize any of > the diagnosis. He is under Autism for his eligibility > for services. No one really sees any problems except > for written/expressive language. However, while we had > the meds and everything was a nightmare, the teachers > were really for us medicating him. He had to be on > Xanax to even attempt to go to school. Then they > complained he was too drugged. > > It didn't change the schools view towards his IEP > since they thought I was enabling a child that was > lazy. This is our story. > > Melinda > It didn't change the schools view towards his IEP since they thought I was enabling a child that was lazy. This is our story. I can SOOOO relate to this statement...It is a shame and disgrace in my mind in this day and time with all the information out there that these teachers that think we are enabling our kids can't just get on the computer and spend a couple of hours reading about aspergers and at least make an attempt to 'get it'. I'll stop ranting now!! Toni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 I'm sorry everyone in this thread has to jump through these multiple hoops. Professionals who know autism/asperger's (ASDs) know that the diagnoses of ODD and ASDs are mutually exclusive. The diagnostic criteria for Oppositional Defiant disorder are: A pattern of negativistic, hostile, and defiant behavior lasting at least 6 months, during which four (or more) of the following are present: 1. often loses temper 2. often argues with adults 3. often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules 4. often deliberately annoys people 5. often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior 6. is often touchy or easily annoyed by others 7. is often angry and resentful 8. is often spiteful or vindictive With ASDs the intent is not there - it's part of the ASD. There is a general problem with the the ODD diagnosis - -It puts all of the responsibility on the child for his or her actions when there often is a good reason a kid is acting out -It labels the kid's actions as being deliberate. -It assumes the caregivers and diagnostician is capable of reading the kid's mind -It assumes blames the child and or the parents for the kid's actions -ODD diagnoses can be used by the school as a way to evade their legal responsibility to provide services for a kid with ADHD an ASD or other neurological differences. It's much cheaper to label a kid ODD (aka BRAT) than to provide services to which the kid is legally entitled to until age 21. -The diagnosis at its core is moralistic and doesn't ah...um..smell like a medical type diagnosis that belongs in the DSM. There are many professionals who think the ODD diagnosis is a joke and reflects mid-1990s upper-middle class anxiety. The dual diagnosis of ASD/ODD is common, but again it is not a valid diagnosis. It's saying the kid might have autism - but he's really just a BRAT. I could write a dissertation length post on this but I don't wish to bug anyone Diagnosing a kid with an ASD as being ODD is just being stupid. ~d On 5/22/06, Donna B <donnabzy@...> wrote: > > How many of you here, if any, have a child on the autism spectrum who is > also being considered to have ODD? Did it change your behavioral therapy > or anything else? Did it change how the school views your child or their > IEP? > > Thanks, > Donna > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Thank you for this post. I have taken this position on ODD with professionals and sited Atwood, but they still don't get it. They think my son is somehow being manipulative and I feel the issues are a part of the Autism diagnosis. I have never told the school about the ODD diagnosis because that would just make getting what he needs so much harder than it already is. Nora Dovid Hawke <cdhawke@...> wrote: I'm sorry everyone in this thread has to jump through these multiple hoops. Professionals who know autism/asperger's (ASDs) know that the diagnoses of ODD and ASDs are mutually exclusive. The diagnostic criteria for Oppositional Defiant disorder are: A pattern of negativistic, hostile, and defiant behavior lasting at least 6 months, during which four (or more) of the following are present: 1. often loses temper 2. often argues with adults 3. often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules 4. often deliberately annoys people 5. often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior 6. is often touchy or easily annoyed by others 7. is often angry and resentful 8. is often spiteful or vindictive With ASDs the intent is not there - it's part of the ASD. There is a general problem with the the ODD diagnosis - -It puts all of the responsibility on the child for his or her actions when there often is a good reason a kid is acting out -It labels the kid's actions as being deliberate. -It assumes the caregivers and diagnostician is capable of reading the kid's mind -It assumes blames the child and or the parents for the kid's actions -ODD diagnoses can be used by the school as a way to evade their legal responsibility to provide services for a kid with ADHD an ASD or other neurological differences. It's much cheaper to label a kid ODD (aka BRAT) than to provide services to which the kid is legally entitled to until age 21. -The diagnosis at its core is moralistic and doesn't ah...um..smell like a medical type diagnosis that belongs in the DSM. There are many professionals who think the ODD diagnosis is a joke and reflects mid-1990s upper-middle class anxiety. The dual diagnosis of ASD/ODD is common, but again it is not a valid diagnosis. It's saying the kid might have autism - but he's really just a BRAT. I could write a dissertation length post on this but I don't wish to bug anyone Diagnosing a kid with an ASD as being ODD is just being stupid. ~d On 5/22/06, Donna B <donnabzy@...> wrote: > > How many of you here, if any, have a child on the autism spectrum who is > also being considered to have ODD? Did it change your behavioral therapy > or anything else? Did it change how the school views your child or their > IEP? > > Thanks, > Donna > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 i konw its hard for you to let the school know but i wont be harder one him if you jest tell them maybe you need help email me i know alot people how have that ishyou and the teahers fors that ishyou a nonverbal childeran cant help the fact the have autism i think if you go to a suport groups that can help you not to get upset ok thanks for understanding the ishyou tiffani Nora Bigley <nora9400@...> wrote: Thank you for this post. I have taken this position on ODD with professionals and sited Atwood, but they still don't get it. They think my son is somehow being manipulative and I feel the issues are a part of the Autism diagnosis. I have never told the school about the ODD diagnosis because that would just make getting what he needs so much harder than it already is. Nora Dovid Hawke <cdhawke@...> wrote: I'm sorry everyone in this thread has to jump through these multiple hoops. Professionals who know autism/asperger's (ASDs) know that the diagnoses of ODD and ASDs are mutually exclusive. The diagnostic criteria for Oppositional Defiant disorder are: A pattern of negativistic, hostile, and defiant behavior lasting at least 6 months, during which four (or more) of the following are present: 1. often loses temper 2. often argues with adults 3. often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules 4. often deliberately annoys people 5. often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior 6. is often touchy or easily annoyed by others 7. is often angry and resentful 8. is often spiteful or vindictive With ASDs the intent is not there - it's part of the ASD. There is a general problem with the the ODD diagnosis - -It puts all of the responsibility on the child for his or her actions when there often is a good reason a kid is acting out -It labels the kid's actions as being deliberate. -It assumes the caregivers and diagnostician is capable of reading the kid's mind -It assumes blames the child and or the parents for the kid's actions -ODD diagnoses can be used by the school as a way to evade their legal responsibility to provide services for a kid with ADHD an ASD or other neurological differences. It's much cheaper to label a kid ODD (aka BRAT) than to provide services to which the kid is legally entitled to until age 21. -The diagnosis at its core is moralistic and doesn't ah...um..smell like a medical type diagnosis that belongs in the DSM. There are many professionals who think the ODD diagnosis is a joke and reflects mid-1990s upper-middle class anxiety. The dual diagnosis of ASD/ODD is common, but again it is not a valid diagnosis. It's saying the kid might have autism - but he's really just a BRAT. I could write a dissertation length post on this but I don't wish to bug anyone Diagnosing a kid with an ASD as being ODD is just being stupid. ~d On 5/22/06, Donna B <donnabzy@...> wrote: > > How many of you here, if any, have a child on the autism spectrum who is > also being considered to have ODD? Did it change your behavioral therapy > or anything else? Did it change how the school views your child or their > IEP? > > Thanks, > Donna > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 VERY WELL PUT! this is what I would say, but not so elequently:) Thanks so much *smiles* lisa b > > I'm sorry everyone in this thread has to jump through these multiple hoops. > > Professionals who know autism/asperger's (ASDs) know that the diagnoses of > ODD and ASDs are mutually exclusive. > > The diagnostic criteria for Oppositional Defiant disorder are: > > A pattern of negativistic, hostile, and defiant behavior lasting at > least 6 months, during which four (or more) of the following are present: > > 1. often loses temper > 2. often argues with adults > 3. often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules > 4. often deliberately annoys people > 5. often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior > 6. is often touchy or easily annoyed by others > 7. is often angry and resentful > 8. is often spiteful or vindictive > > With ASDs the intent is not there - it's part of the ASD. > > There is a general problem with the the ODD diagnosis - > > -It puts all of the responsibility on the child for his or her actions when > there often is a good reason a kid is acting out > > -It labels the kid's actions as being deliberate. > > -It assumes the caregivers and diagnostician is capable of reading the kid's > mind > > -It assumes blames the child and or the parents for the kid's actions > > -ODD diagnoses can be used by the school as a way to evade their Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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