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Was the counseling through your local mental health center? It sounds like

he needs an intensive system of support/services. We have a program here

called CIS...it is through the local mental health agency and provides

intensive

services/supports. My 15 year old was in the program about a year ago. If

you tell me where you live, I could try to find some further contacts for

you. Pam :)

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Lori,

Have you looked into residential placements? That might be the

logical next step. If he can't toe the line at home, then maybe he

needs to be in a more structured environment where there is less

opportunity to screw up. We very nearly went residential, but for

different reasons. We decided after looking into it not to do it.

Mostly because I didn't want to get into another big fight with the

school district over paying for it.

Liz

On Aug 9, 2006, at 11:28 AM, lori jennings wrote:

> I have a 17 yr old with ADHD and it seems he will do anything to

> defy us. If we make a rule, it is his goal to break it. He has lied

> to us repeatedly. We can not trust him. He has snuck out of the

> house and wrecked his car. He has chewed, smoked, drank- been

> caught and looked us right in the eye and lied to us. My question

> is what to do? I have taken him to his doctor and counseling. He

> lied to both. We have grounded him, taken away all his privelages.

> He doesn't care. He is perfectly happy in his bedroom. When we ask

> him to do anything, it is usually a huge struggle. I'm desperate

> and feeling pretty much like a failure. Can somebody give some

> suggestions?

> Thanks in advance!

> Lori

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The counseling was through the doctor's office- they are in the same place and a

very close team. I live in Missouri. I have alot of faith in this counselor and

the dr. She seems to think we give him too many privelages which I am probably

guilty of. I also have custody of my 7 yr old nephew who is a aspie and my 3 yr

old niece and a son who is 13 and also ADHD. So I figure he is trying to find

his place and it leaves me policing all the time and to tell you the truth I

just don't have the energy. Thanks

Lori

ppanda65@... wrote:

Was the counseling through your local mental health center? It sounds like

he needs an intensive system of support/services. We have a program here

called CIS...it is through the local mental health agency and provides intensive

services/supports. My 15 year old was in the program about a year ago. If

you tell me where you live, I could try to find some further contacts for

you. Pam :)

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Here are the Parent Training Information Centers in Missouri. I would

contact the one closest to your area and ask them about obtaining further

supports/resources for your son. You didn't say whether or not he is attending

school. Also, below that is a link for the the director of the mental health

association. I would contact them and ask about mental health centers and what

kind of programs and resources are available for young adults. Pam :)

Kent Kolaga, Program Director

Missouri Parents Act (MPACT)

1901 Wind River Drive

Jefferson City, MO 65101

(573) 635-1189; (573) 635-7802

Moran, Program Director

Missouri Parents Act (MPACT)

2100 South Brentwood, Suite G

Springfield, MO 63108

(417) 882-7434; (800) 743-7634 (in MO only)

Higgs, Regional Coodinator

Missouri Parents Act (MPACT)

4144 Lindell Boulevard, Suite 405

St. Louis, MO 63108

(314) 531-5922; (800) 995-3160 (in MO only)

Carolyn , Regional Coordinator

Missouri Parents Act (MPACT)

3100 Main St., Suite 303

Kansas City, MO 64111

(816) 531-7070; (816) 931-2992 (TTY)

E-mail: _mpactcs@..._ (mailto:mpactcs@...)

House, Executive Director

Mental Health Association of St. Louis

1905 S. Grand Avenue

St. Louis, MO 63104

(314) 773-1399

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What is in his bedroom? I can't imagine he is happy to stay in his room all day

if there is not something there - a tv, a stereo, his ipod, a computer -

something. And if any of those things is in there, then you haven't taken away

enough. All of those things should be removed and earned back by good behavior

and doing his chores appropriately.

Also, you said he wrecked " his " car. Sell the car. Having a car and driving

are both privileges that belong to responsible people. Any child who behaved

that way in my house would not be having a car paid for by me. Spend your money

on the kids who are behaving appropriately and don't reward bad behavior.

Now, if he is sitting in his room and there is nothing in there but a bed and a

dresser and a desk, and he stares at the ceiling all day long - then that's a

different problem.

Roxanna

( ) 17 yr old defiance

I have a 17 yr old with ADHD and it seems he will do anything to defy us. If

we make a rule, it is his goal to break it. He has lied to us repeatedly. We can

not trust him. He has snuck out of the house and wrecked his car. He has chewed,

smoked, drank- been caught and looked us right in the eye and lied to us. My

question is what to do? I have taken him to his doctor and counseling. He lied

to both. We have grounded him, taken away all his privelages. He doesn't care.

He is perfectly happy in his bedroom. When we ask him to do anything, it is

usually a huge struggle. I'm desperate and feeling pretty much like a failure.

Can somebody give some suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

Lori

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Thank you so much for the info. Before I make the decision to contact one of

these places, can you tell me what they are and what they are for? Thanks again-

Lori

ppanda65@... wrote: Here are the Parent Training Information Centers in

Missouri. I would

contact the one closest to your area and ask them about obtaining further

supports/resources for your son. You didn't say whether or not he is attending

school. Also, below that is a link for the the director of the mental health

association. I would contact them and ask about mental health centers and what

kind of programs and resources are available for young adults. Pam :)

Kent Kolaga, Program Director

Missouri Parents Act (MPACT)

1901 Wind River Drive

Jefferson City, MO 65101

(573) 635-1189; (573) 635-7802

Moran, Program Director

Missouri Parents Act (MPACT)

2100 South Brentwood, Suite G

Springfield, MO 63108

(417) 882-7434; (800) 743-7634 (in MO only)

Higgs, Regional Coodinator

Missouri Parents Act (MPACT)

4144 Lindell Boulevard, Suite 405

St. Louis, MO 63108

(314) 531-5922; (800) 995-3160 (in MO only)

Carolyn , Regional Coordinator

Missouri Parents Act (MPACT)

3100 Main St., Suite 303

Kansas City, MO 64111

(816) 531-7070; (816) 931-2992 (TTY)

E-mail: _mpactcs@..._ (mailto:mpactcs@...)

House, Executive Director

Mental Health Association of St. Louis

1905 S. Grand Avenue

St. Louis, MO 63104

(314) 773-1399

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Is there any Parent Trainign Information Centers in WIsconsin

lori jennings <lozzy3us@...> wrote: Thank you so much for the

info. Before I make the decision to contact one of these places, can you tell me

what they are and what they are for? Thanks again- Lori

ppanda65@... wrote: Here are the Parent Training Information Centers in

Missouri. I would

contact the one closest to your area and ask them about obtaining further

supports/resources for your son. You didn't say whether or not he is attending

school. Also, below that is a link for the the director of the mental health

association. I would contact them and ask about mental health centers and what

kind of programs and resources are available for young adults. Pam :)

Kent Kolaga, Program Director

Missouri Parents Act (MPACT)

1901 Wind River Drive

Jefferson City, MO 65101

(573) 635-1189; (573) 635-7802

Moran, Program Director

Missouri Parents Act (MPACT)

2100 South Brentwood, Suite G

Springfield, MO 63108

(417) 882-7434; (800) 743-7634 (in MO only)

Higgs, Regional Coodinator

Missouri Parents Act (MPACT)

4144 Lindell Boulevard, Suite 405

St. Louis, MO 63108

(314) 531-5922; (800) 995-3160 (in MO only)

Carolyn , Regional Coordinator

Missouri Parents Act (MPACT)

3100 Main St., Suite 303

Kansas City, MO 64111

(816) 531-7070; (816) 931-2992 (TTY)

E-mail: _mpactcs@..._ (mailto:mpactcs@...)

House, Executive Director

Mental Health Association of St. Louis

1905 S. Grand Avenue

St. Louis, MO 63104

(314) 773-1399

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I'm sorry they all came squished together in that email. The first listings

are Parent Training Information Centers in Missouri. These centers are

federally mandated and they have the ability to help parents of special

education

students navigate the educational system, which can also include helping wi

th other outside supports and how to obtain them. They also provide education

and training to parents, empowering them to be better advocates for their

children. I work for the Center in my state (RI). The last contact is the

Department of Mental Health in the state of Missouri. I would contact them to

see if you have a local mental health center and obtain help in finding out if

there are any supports services via the mental health system, that you could

obtain for your son. Alot of times there are programs that no one seems to

know about and parents aren't informed about. Pam :)

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Yes ma'am...every state is federally mandated to have one. Pam :)

....Sister Patrice Colletti, SDS, Director

Parent Education Project of Wisconsin, Inc.

2192 South 60th Street

West Allis, WI 53219

(414) 328-5520; (414) 328-5525 (TTY)

(800) 231-8382 (in WI)

E-mail: colletti@...

URL:_http://members.aol.com/pepofwi/_ (http://members.aol.com/pepofwi/)

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The first thing that must be addressed is the addiction. Addiction and

any mental illness is a recipe for tragedy. I don't know about his age,

but I suggest you contact Boys and Girls Town. My 12 year old stepson

went in their with violent behavior and Oppositional Defiant Disorder

and possibly Schizophrenia. Now he is coming home and he is a totally

different little boy. He has gone from comitting assault to mentoring

other troubled boys. What an awesome turn around. I think that they

could give you some excellent pointers if nothing else. Give them a

call. There is one in Missouri, but I can't get the page to load. They

should be in your phone book too.

Dave

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Theresa wrote:

I also think that if you don't have a productive solution, or

suggestion, you should shut up and keep your negative comments to

yourself.

Most of us here are here because we are caring concerned parents

looking for answers and/or support. The very thought of these comments

are hurtful, not helpful.

Rant over!

Theresa

AAAAAM

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