Re: Any experience with Wajora - Natural Cellular Defense

[Guest guest]

I know I am suspicious, occupational hazard, but anyone else seeing a lot of NEW

people coming up with this Wajora stuff? Marketing plan? I hope I am wrong.

[ ] Any experience with Wajora - Natural Cellular

Defense

Greetings,

Our DAN Dr has recommended that we try a new product called Wajora -

Natural Cellular Defense while we are on break from TD-DMPS. It is a

non toxix detox that has shown promising results but has only been on

the market since Aug 2005. Has anyone else tried this yet - if so can

you please share your experience.

Thanks -

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[Guest guest]

> I know I am suspicious, occupational hazard, but anyone else seeing a lot of

NEW people coming up with this Wajora stuff? Marketing plan? I hope I am wrong.

LOL ! you made me laugh

I've noticed it too, but neah...

I think for whatever reason a lot of people (and a lot of doctors) don't believe

in ALA/DMSA/DMPS chelators... it sounds too complicated, people are afraid

hearing about the side effects, too hard to do, etc. The other stuff sounds like

a dream - no problems, no side effects, no prescription needed.... they are all

multi-tasking... what else could you wish for? On top of everything else,

they are expensive, so that " must " mean they are good

I think the reason the other stuff " works " so nicely with no side effects is

because is not doing anything in terms of chelation. But that's just my

opinion...

I've never tried any, and didn't research them much, so... I don't really

know...

, there are many people who tried the NCD " chelators " . I am sure you will

hear from them. Sorry we hijacked your post

Valentina

[Guest guest]

Here is a msg I posted previously. I have done a lot of DMSA in my day, not

just recently, and this seems to have a better effect for me. I hate the

multilevel marketing crap, as I think people that sell it sometimes are

influenced to recommend these products instead of the best ones, but this

one works well. Also zeolites (NCD is a zeolite) is the largest most

promising area for mercury detox in many areas of science, so I know they

can be very effective.

Cheers,

After doing 6 rounds of DMSA using the Andy Cutler protocol I felt like my

kidneys and liver were failing and that I couldn't do it again right now,

but the protocol did stop the severe pain from recirculating metals and make

things better each round.

Because I thought it would be easier on my kidneys and liver, I decided to

try NCD and I switched to using this 2 weeks ago instead of DMSA with good

effect.

I have to take much more than the recommended dose to keep the recirculating

down. At least 10 drops every 3 hours, sometimes more at night and during

liver time (1-3am). I can also take NDF/NDF+ again so I have been taking

those also with good results. I'm back up to 10 drops of NDF four times a

day (I swallow the NDF as it only contains dead probiotics to break the

candida cell wall and doesn't methylate the released mercury) and 3 drops

about 8 times a day of the NDF+ (which I only take sublingually and do not

swallow as this is what methylated mercury through my body 8 months ago when

I accidentally swallowed 3 droppers of it instead of NDF along with zinc).

I also take terramin (a zeolite like mineral supplement) that helps mercury

not to be uptaken by the villi (roots) in the intestine. Other than that I'm

doing a protocol to restore my iodine levels (brain, thyroid, and other

endocrine organs) as I reduce my burden of mercury. I take vitamin-c which

is critical when supplementing with iodine and other than that just a

handful of supplements and a multivitamin (eat right for your type O) and

some plant based oils (coconut, whole vitamin E, sunflower, safflower)

I hate the multi-level products, as I know they are insanely overpriced

($200 for 4 small bottles that probably cost them $5) but this one works

well for me. sometime I hope to figure out how to make it myself cheaply.

It's probably just some water based suspension of a food grade zeolite, like

" food-bond " <BLOCKED::http://www.zeotechcorp.com/Animal.asp>

http://www.zeotechcorp.com/Animal.asp

Cheers,

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On Behalf Of melwillcunningham

Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:54 AM

Subject: [ ] Any experience with Wajora - Natural Cellular

Defense

Greetings,

Our DAN Dr has recommended that we try a new product called Wajora -

Natural Cellular Defense while we are on break from TD-DMPS. It is a

non toxix detox that has shown promising results but has only been on

the market since Aug 2005. Has anyone else tried this yet - if so can

you please share your experience.

Thanks -

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

>

> After doing 6 rounds of DMSA using the Andy Cutler protocol I felt

like my

> kidneys and liver were failing and that I couldn't do it again right

now,

> but the protocol did stop the severe pain from recirculating metals

and make

> things better each round.

>

Hi ,

What dose of DMSA were you using? Anything I have read about Andy

Cutler's protocol clearly states that if the side effects are too

great the dose must be lowered. From what you have stated above, it

sounds like you felt that the side effects were too great. I know

from personal experience with both DMSA and DMPS that lowering the

dose will make the side effects go away. If fact, at the right dose

of either DMSA or DMPS I feel WAY better than I normally do, and am

having great fun with chelation now.

Regards

J

[Guest guest]

> Also zeolites (NCD is a zeolite) is the largest most

> promising area for mercury detox in many areas of science, so I know they

> can be very effective.

They can be, but OUTSIDE the human body.

There is no research available for this supplement. There is lots of research

about how zeolites can hurt us and cause cancer when inhaled.

Also, I want to say that sand and asbestos are examples of zeolites.

I am not saying don't take this NCD because it's not good. I am saying that it

is a rock similar in structure with things that hurt us. I am saying that nobody

knows for sure what zeolites do and where they go when we ingest them.

I guess if I had cancer or some other terrible disease and there was no more

hope for me, I would be more than happy to try anything. But I personally would

not try NCD now, and would not give it to my kid. Who can assure me that 20

years from now my son won't develop cancer from this NCD or who knows what other

diseases? Nobody!

Valentina

[Guest guest]

regarding the timing of the ncd queries: my doc just prescribed it for me.

(as i mentioned because he says i'm too ill to remove my amalgams yet or to

start usual chelations.) fyi, my doc went to the recent conference sponsored

by dr. klinghardt, in january, i think. he said that klinghardt mentioned

the ncd and was " mildly " supportive that i could be of help to some people

(that's my recall of what he said). so, perhaps other docs at that

conference came back and started recommending it to their patients? you know

how powerful word of mouth is ...

kendra

Re: [ ] Any experience with Wajora - Natural

Cellular Defense

I know I am suspicious, occupational hazard, but anyone else seeing a lot of

NEW people coming up with this Wajora stuff? Marketing plan? I hope I am

wrong.

[Guest guest]

The method by which asbestos, etc. causes cancer, or it's delievery

system rather, is nothing like the zeolites found in NCD. Bascially,

asbestos is a large, abbrasive structure that tears then implants

inself into the lungs. Also, asbestos is in and of itself a toxic

material. Microized, refined zeolite, while still not " perfectly

round " without all the sharp edges, is absolutely nothing like

asbestos. But you are right.. if you breath crushed rock / zeolite

in it's natural state.. yes, harm can result. But that could be said

about many of the things we take into our bodies.

Here is the patent link that provides some insight into the product

research:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?

Sect1=PTO1 & Sect2=HITOFF & d=PALL & p=1 & u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm & r=1 & f=G & l=

50 & s1=6288045.WKU. & OS=PN/6288045 & RS=PN/6288045

hope that long link works..

Reese

> They can be, but OUTSIDE the human body.

> There is no research available for this supplement. There is lots

of research

> about how zeolites can hurt us and cause cancer when inhaled.

> Also, I want to say that sand and asbestos are examples of

zeolites.

> I am not saying don't take this NCD because it's not good. I am

saying that it

> is a rock similar in structure with things that hurt us. I am

saying that nobody

> knows for sure what zeolites do and where they go when we ingest

them.

> I guess if I had cancer or some other terrible disease and there

was no more

> hope for me, I would be more than happy to try anything. But I

personally would

> not try NCD now, and would not give it to my kid. Who can assure

me that 20

> years from now my son won't develop cancer from this NCD or who

knows what other

> diseases? Nobody!

>

>

> Valentina

>

[Guest guest]

> The first day *on* chelation (ALA only) I feel so good, so happy,

that I tell

> everybody how much I love them I call my family... I play with my

son...

> It's just a really nice feeling. Nothing could bother me that first

day

Wow! I feel gypped!

Nell

[Guest guest]

>>>>>Does PCA-rx have zeolites, is that how they claim PCA-rx works or is

>>>>>ncd the only supplement with zeolites?

> Also zeolites (NCD is a zeolite) is the largest most

> promising area for mercury detox in many areas of science, so I know they

> can be very effective.

They can be, but OUTSIDE the human body.

There is no research available for this supplement. There is lots of

research

about how zeolites can hurt us and cause cancer when inhaled.

Also, I want to say that sand and asbestos are examples of zeolites.

I am not saying don't take this NCD because it's not good. I am saying that

it

is a rock similar in structure with things that hurt us. I am saying that

nobody

knows for sure what zeolites do and where they go when we ingest them.

I guess if I had cancer or some other terrible disease and there was no more

hope for me, I would be more than happy to try anything. But I personally

would

not try NCD now, and would not give it to my kid. Who can assure me that 20

years from now my son won't develop cancer from this NCD or who knows what

other

diseases? Nobody!

Valentina

[Guest guest]

I asked my friend about NCD- he is going to be selling it- because he

believes in the product and wants to help people. This is what he wrote me:

> In December I had five Mercury Amalgams removed by the Biologic Dentist

> Morales. Prior to that and quite syncronistically, I signed up for Natural

> Cellular Defense. I have been on NCD for over two months.

> I started taking 3 drops 3xs a day. Now I take 15 drops every six hours. I

> am drinking tremendous amounts of water and eating well so I have not

> experienced any contraindicative symptoms. I would never have gotten into a

> " network marketing " organization if it weren't for the endorsement and

> involvement of Dr. Cousens, M.D., M.D. (H), Diplomat American Board of

> Holistic Medicine, Diplomat in Ayurveda, founder and director of the

> Tree of Life Foundation and Tree of Life Rejuvenation Center in Patagonia,

> Arizona. This made, 'a too good to be true' senario seem quite possible for

> me to believe. I have several pages of research that I could send you if

interested.

I'm not sure if I would use it on my 6 year old yet, i'd have to look into

it more

and i'm currently busy organizing a conference. Maybe after April. Thanks.

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