Re: Questions on toxic chemical

[Guest guest]

>I also keep obsessing about the beluga whales in the St

> ce and how their first born are very sickly and often die

> young.

Thinking about that is precisely the kind of thing that could lead me

to go insane. Really, I have to avoid the whole subject of the oceans

because it's just too much to bear.

> Anyway, I know how to avoid most of

> this crap now, but I'm thinking a great deal about how to help my

> family get rid of the accumulated chemical toxins.

Do you mean get rid of what they've been exposed to, or do you mean

what things at home should be replaced?

> PS: halfway through the book I got up and sent away for information

> on the Heavenly Heat saunas which I'll only be able to afford if I

> sell one of the kids.

Eh, with global warming even Canada will be having long heat waves and

you can all sit out in your yard and sweat it out. LOL. I think.

Nell

[Guest guest]

Hi Anita,

I haven't read the book. I think you know I am an environmental studies

major ( " environmental resource management " with a concentration in land use

planning and policy). I have said for years that I think the dramatic rise

in autism is related to the dramatic rise in chemicals in our environment.

We have introduced a lot of synthetic chemicals into our environment in

recent decades and I think we really do not know the impact.

FWIW: I have had dreams since I was a child that when I was an adult, there

would be (the start of?) " a dark age " . And I have had dreams for years that

" the angry ocean is coming " (ie it will somehow " attack " us). But I cannot

say that I fear the changes I expect this world to endure. I see them as

somehow part of a larger cycle, on a longer scale than humans can fully

" see " , and not simply the negative consequences of our own actions (but

those are certainly a factor in how this will play out). A friend of mine

has been very fretful about the state of the world in recent months. About

a week or so ago, I told this friend that " I was thinking today that a child

grows in the dark of a woman's womb and dark times should be a time when we

try to plant good seeds out of which a new future can grow. "

I am actually very hopeful. Groups like this one hold a lot of promise to

be " a candle in the dark " (instead of cursing the darkness). Just as

economic depressions weed out weak companies and make the economy healthier,

I think dark ages have a function and are not merely " punishment " for our

errors. There is a saying about economic depressions: " the shallow end of

the pond empties first " . It means that people will continue to eat and do

the things which are truly essential but they stop buying frivolous things

like pet rocks. The amount of information available to us now and the

amazing capacity to share information and even wisdom with so many people,

so quickly, via internet is so new and the ramifications are so great, I

think we have barely scratched the surface.

Well, I would say more but I need to go.

Later,

--

Michele in Limbo (formerly in California)

talithamichele@...

Visit Michele's World!

http://www.califmichele.com

" Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding. "

-- Albert Einstein

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for responding. I seem to veer pretty wildly between hopeful

and doomful (I know it's not a word, but it's a pretty accurate

description).

I'm really hoping that people who've had experience with removing

these toxic chemicals can share their experiences. It's not that I

don't trust Dr. Edelson, but....

Anita

>

> Hi Anita,

> I haven't read the book. I think you know I am an environmental

studies

> major ( " environmental resource management " with a concentration in

land use

> planning and policy). I have said for years that I think the

dramatic rise

> in autism is related to the dramatic rise in chemicals in our

environment.

> We have introduced a lot of synthetic chemicals into our

environment in

> recent decades and I think we really do not know the impact.

>

> FWIW: I have had dreams since I was a child that when I was an

adult, there

> would be (the start of?) " a dark age " . And I have had dreams for

years that

> " the angry ocean is coming " (ie it will somehow " attack " us). But

I cannot

> say that I fear the changes I expect this world to endure. I see

them as

> somehow part of a larger cycle, on a longer scale than humans can

fully

> " see " , and not simply the negative consequences of our own actions

(but

> those are certainly a factor in how this will play out). A friend

of mine

> has been very fretful about the state of the world in recent

months. About

> a week or so ago, I told this friend that " I was thinking today

that a child

> grows in the dark of a woman's womb and dark times should be a

time when we

> try to plant good seeds out of which a new future can grow. "

>

> I am actually very hopeful. Groups like this one hold a lot of

promise to

> be " a candle in the dark " (instead of cursing the darkness). Just

as

> economic depressions weed out weak companies and make the economy

healthier,

> I think dark ages have a function and are not merely " punishment "

for our

> errors. There is a saying about economic depressions: " the

shallow end of

> the pond empties first " . It means that people will continue to

eat and do

> the things which are truly essential but they stop buying

frivolous things

> like pet rocks. The amount of information available to us now and

the

> amazing capacity to share information and even wisdom with so many

people,

> so quickly, via internet is so new and the ramifications are so

great, I

> think we have barely scratched the surface.

>

> Well, I would say more but I need to go.

>

> Later,

>

>

> --

> Michele in Limbo (formerly in California)

>

> talithamichele@...

>

>

> Visit Michele's World!

> http://www.califmichele.com

>

> " Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by

understanding. "

> -- Albert Einstein

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nell,

I'm trying to figure out the best ways to get out what's already

stored inside of the kids. Is sweating and the procedures that go

with it the only/best way?

Maybe I should just move to Costa Rica with the kids and sweat it

out there. Maybe some people from the list would like to join us.

We could sell organic snacks and " I just sweated out all my hexanes "

t-shirts.

I'm only half kidding.

Anita

> >I also keep obsessing about the beluga whales in the St

> > ce and how their first born are very sickly and often die

> > young.

>

> Thinking about that is precisely the kind of thing that could lead

me

> to go insane. Really, I have to avoid the whole subject of the

oceans

> because it's just too much to bear.

>

> > Anyway, I know how to avoid most of

> > this crap now, but I'm thinking a great deal about how to help

my

> > family get rid of the accumulated chemical toxins.

>

> Do you mean get rid of what they've been exposed to, or do you mean

> what things at home should be replaced?

>

> > PS: halfway through the book I got up and sent away for

information

> > on the Heavenly Heat saunas which I'll only be able to afford if

I

> > sell one of the kids.

>

> Eh, with global warming even Canada will be having long heat waves

and

> you can all sit out in your yard and sweat it out. LOL. I think.

>

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

>>I'm trying to figure out the best ways to get out what's already

stored inside of the kids. Is sweating and the procedures that go

with it the only/best way?

---

I read a book once called " Sastun " (and I don't remember the subtitle). It

was about a woman's studies of traditional Mayan herbal medicine with a very

old Mayan healer. He had scathing contempt for modern medicine and how it

simply attacked the body. He felt strongly you had to support the body

while simultaneously attacking the health problem. That makes more sense to

me than the model used by American medicine. I have done a lot to try to

rebuild my body in the aftermath of a major health crisis. I think organic

foods, clean water, appropriate supplements and other means to provide

healthy inputs are as important as means to get things out. You have to

replace the bad stuff you draw out with good stuff. Life abhors a vacuum.

I think if you are putting enough good stuff in to begin with, it helps push

some of the bad stuff out. If you are also doing things to actively draw

out the bad stuff, the combination can be very powerful.

Of course, what most benefits each individual is partly dependent of

specifics of their situation, so it is hard to make blanket pronouncements

about what to do. But, here are a few things which have helped me in a

general way:

Folks on this list suggested I switch to sea salt. I did that some months

ago and it has made a huge difference for me and my sons. I still take

glyconutrients. Of course, I use a water filter on my kitchen faucet, avoid

metal pots and pans, etc. I am working more on introducing " good fats " to

our diet. Folks on this list have suggested that and it does seem to be a

BIG deal. My science geek son has told me that fats absorb toxins so using

bad fats would be really bad for a person and using good fats should help

the person purge bad things by absorbing them into the digestive tract.

When I was chelating with cilantro, I often CRAVED butter and other fats in

a way which was unusual for me. It was obvious to me at the time that it

helped me purge bad things. I am also trying to include more organic foods

in our diets. And I have eliminated a lot of toxic cleaners and such from

our lives.

--

Michele in Limbo (formerly in California)

talithamichele@...

Visit Michele's World!

http://www.califmichele.com

" Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding. "

-- Albert Einstein

[Guest guest]

> I'm trying to figure out the best ways to get out what's already

> stored inside of the kids. Is sweating and the procedures that go

> with it the only/best way?

I wish I knew. I'm sure sweating and massage are good, but I don't

even know if some of the crap we have inside us is removable. A good

question for Andy...

> Maybe I should just move to Costa Rica with the kids and sweat it

> out there. Maybe some people from the list would like to join us.

> We could sell organic snacks and " I just sweated out all my hexanes "

> t-shirts.

>

> I'm only half kidding.

I've looked at Costa Rica real estate, lol. I don't dismiss the idea

at all. LMAO at the T-shirt.

Nell

[Guest guest]

Epsom salt baths are good to remove some things. But sweating is

excellent as well!

>

> > I'm trying to figure out the best ways to get out what's already

> > stored inside of the kids. Is sweating and the procedures that

go

> > with it the only/best way?

>

> I wish I knew. I'm sure sweating and massage are good, but I don't

> even know if some of the crap we have inside us is removable. A

good

> question for Andy...

>

> > Maybe I should just move to Costa Rica with the kids and sweat

it

> > out there. Maybe some people from the list would like to join

us.

> > We could sell organic snacks and " I just sweated out all my

hexanes "

> > t-shirts.

> >

> > I'm only half kidding.

>

> I've looked at Costa Rica real estate, lol. I don't dismiss the

idea

> at all. LMAO at the T-shirt.

>

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for this . The stuff about fats is very

interesting and makes perfect sense. I love that butter!! Can you

explain why the switch to sea salt would have been helpful?

Anita

>

> >>I'm trying to figure out the best ways to get out what's already

> stored inside of the kids. Is sweating and the procedures that go

> with it the only/best way?

> ---

> I read a book once called " Sastun " (and I don't remember the

subtitle). It

> was about a woman's studies of traditional Mayan herbal medicine

with a very

> old Mayan healer. He had scathing contempt for modern medicine

and how it

> simply attacked the body. He felt strongly you had to support the

body

> while simultaneously attacking the health problem. That makes more

sense to

> me than the model used by American medicine. I have done a lot to

try to

> rebuild my body in the aftermath of a major health crisis. I

think organic

> foods, clean water, appropriate supplements and other means to

provide

> healthy inputs are as important as means to get things out. You

have to

> replace the bad stuff you draw out with good stuff. Life abhors a

vacuum.

> I think if you are putting enough good stuff in to begin with, it

helps push

> some of the bad stuff out. If you are also doing things to

actively draw

> out the bad stuff, the combination can be very powerful.

>

> Of course, what most benefits each individual is partly dependent

of

> specifics of their situation, so it is hard to make blanket

pronouncements

> about what to do. But, here are a few things which have helped me

in a

> general way:

>

> Folks on this list suggested I switch to sea salt. I did that some

months

> ago and it has made a huge difference for me and my sons. I still

take

> glyconutrients. Of course, I use a water filter on my kitchen

faucet, avoid

> metal pots and pans, etc. I am working more on introducing " good

fats " to

> our diet. Folks on this list have suggested that and it does seem

to be a

> BIG deal. My science geek son has told me that fats absorb toxins

so using

> bad fats would be really bad for a person and using good fats

should help

> the person purge bad things by absorbing them into the digestive

tract.

> When I was chelating with cilantro, I often CRAVED butter and

other fats in

> a way which was unusual for me. It was obvious to me at the time

that it

> helped me purge bad things. I am also trying to include more

organic foods

> in our diets. And I have eliminated a lot of toxic cleaners and

such from

> our lives.

>

>

> --

> Michele in Limbo (formerly in California)

>

> talithamichele@...

>

>

> Visit Michele's World!

> http://www.califmichele.com

>

> " Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by

understanding. "

> -- Albert Einstein

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>Thank you for this . The stuff about fats is very

interesting and makes perfect sense. I love that butter!! Can you

explain why the switch to sea salt would have been helpful?

---

Sea salt might not have as strong an impact on others. I and my children

are genetically predisposed to purging salt at high rates, so it has had a

really dramatic impact on us. Sea salt has a different mineral balance than

table salt. Table salt is similar to prescription drugs in that it is

mostly a single chemical (the way drugs typically have a single " active

ingreadient " ), with a few other things thrown in for various reasons. In

contrast, I think natural sea salt is only around 3/4's sodium chloride and

the rest is a variety of other minerals. I also have reason to believe that

I may be allergic to iodine and table salt often has iodine added, so, for

me personally, that is an additional reason to avoid the stuff.

However, others who do not have my genetic disorder have spoken highly of

sea salt and the benefits of the natural balance of minerals found in it.

Although it may not be *as* dramatic for other people, I still recommend it.

--

Michele in Limbo (formerly in California)

talithamichele@...

Visit Michele's World!

http://www.califmichele.com

" Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding. "

-- Albert Einstein