Re: DDI hair test - lots of questions

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In a message dated 16/04/2006 19:26:26 GMT Daylight Time,

sue@... writes:

I am interested as to why you chose to use ALA only, not with DMSA

for chelation. I also would be grateful if you know where I can find

lots of yeast protocol information too. Many thanks,

>>>Hi Sue

We have links to Dan's site and Terris blog on the TreatingAutism.com site -

under interventions - gut bug treatments

HTH

Mandi in UK

_Treating Autism_ (http://www.treatingautism.com/)

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>

> 1) If I got it right he does not meet any of the counting rules. So I

> presume his mineral transport is not messed up too badly. Is that

> right?

I'm a little short on time, so I didn't " count " the hair test. I wanted to

mention there are

people here who are chelating kids who did not meet the counting rules and have

seen

wonderful progress.

>

> 2) Mercury level is raised slightly - low yellow. Nevertheless I

> beleive he would benefit from chelation by Andy's protocol . After

> his DPT shots 4 years ago I beleive he had no other exposure to

> mercury. He rarely eats fish at all. May I presume he should be OK

> with ALA only?

Yes, you want to avoid ALA with recent exposure to Hg. Your son has no amalgam

fillings? I know several people who started with ALA only.

>

> 3) He's got lead in low yellow. Does this level indicate I have to

> chelate him for lead specifically and ALA only would not be enough?

> If yes than can I start with DMSA+ALA or is it better to start with

> DMSA only and than add ALA?

Usually people start with one chelator at a time. The choice to use DMSA would

be if

adding the DMSA helped suppress side effects, adding DMSA can speed detox (see

Files

section) or if you want to address the lead. Some people use DMSA + ALA once

every two

rounds, or once a month, for a long time. There is more info on this in Andy's

Hair Test

book.

>

> 3) Antimony level is very high. I will try to eliminate some possible

> sources of antimony... I read on Dana's site that MB12+folates +

> TMG might help with this issue. Should I give it frequently as others

> chelators or one dose a day would be fine? I started MB12+folinic

> acid recently with great results. Could he do just with that (without

> TMG)? I am just trying to keep the costs down as possible.

More info on this in Andy's Hair Test book, sorry I can't add more. I also

thought high

antimony (hanging on to it) was considered a marker for too much Hg. Someone

correct

me if I'm wrong.

>

> 4) With other metalls I will try to eliminate the sources. And they

> will probably go down on their own as soon as he gets rid of the

> worst toxic load (lead, mercury, antimony). Is that right?

>

> Have I missed anything? Any other tips?

>

> About essential minerals. Sodium an Potassium levels are very high

> (off chart). Any ideas why? I think I read somewhere it might have

> something to do with adrenal or thyroid disbalance.

> I am going to add up on selenium and manganese. Anything else?

Yes, again more info in Andy's book. Pg. 112, potassium and sodium up, with

calcium and

magnesium down means the person's adrenals are shot.

We started with a trial of 10 rounds for my 2 NT dds and myself, and saw

improvements

during that time. We just finished up round 17.

Good luck, and I wish I could've helped more. Good thing there are a lot of

other smart

people here.

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

> lots of food intolerances (phenols, luteins/carotens),

ALA chelation eliminated my son's phenol intolerance by round 10.

Lutein/carotene conversion problem required ALA chelation, all 100

rounds, plus addition of selenium.

still I manage

> to keep his yeast/bacteria at bay just with daily kefir. And they

> would flare up again if he catches any virus.

My son was tremendously benefited by anti-virals.

> 2) Mercury level is raised slightly - low yellow. Nevertheless I

> beleive he would benefit from chelation by Andy's protocol . After

> his DPT shots 4 years ago I beleive he had no other exposure to

> mercury. He rarely eats fish at all. May I presume he should be OK

> with ALA only?

I chelated my kids with ALA only.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi Dana,

I am interested as to why you chose to use ALA only, not with DMSA

for chelation. I also would be grateful if you know where I can find

lots of yeast protocol information too. Many thanks,

Sue

> > lots of food intolerances (phenols, luteins/carotens),

>

>

> ALA chelation eliminated my son's phenol intolerance by round 10.

>

> Lutein/carotene conversion problem required ALA chelation, all 100

> rounds, plus addition of selenium.

>

>

> still I manage

> > to keep his yeast/bacteria at bay just with daily kefir. And

they

> > would flare up again if he catches any virus.

>

>

> My son was tremendously benefited by anti-virals.

>

>

> > 2) Mercury level is raised slightly - low yellow. Nevertheless I

> > beleive he would benefit from chelation by Andy's protocol .

After

> > his DPT shots 4 years ago I beleive he had no other exposure to

> > mercury. He rarely eats fish at all. May I presume he should be

OK

> > with ALA only?

>

>

> I chelated my kids with ALA only.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,all

> My son is 4yo. He was healthy and contended baby until he got his

> first DPT shot at 2 months old. Since that day he became restless,

> screamed a lot, could not sleep, his digestion was destroyed -

> yeasts, bacteria etc, etc. By the age of 18 months I realised his

> behavour was not right. GFCF diet helped a lot. Enzymes and anti-

> viral/yeast/bacteria treatment helped even more. But still he has

> lots of food intolerances (phenols, luteins/carotens), still I manage

> to keep his yeast/bacteria at bay just with daily kefir. And they

> would flare up again if he catches any virus. His behaviour is

> getting much better though. I never tried to get diagnosis but I

> beleive he is just mild Asperger's now.

> Yesterday I got his hair test results from DDI. Certainly, I'm pretty

> confused. Could anyone help me with it?

> My questions are:

>

> 1) If I got it right he does not meet any of the counting rules. So I

> presume his mineral transport is not messed up too badly. Is that

> right?

I agree.

> 2) Mercury level is raised slightly - low yellow. Nevertheless I

> beleive he would benefit from chelation by Andy's protocol . After

> his DPT shots 4 years ago I beleive he had no other exposure to

> mercury. He rarely eats fish at all. May I presume he should be OK

> with ALA only?

> 3) He's got lead in low yellow. Does this level indicate I have to

> chelate him for lead specifically and ALA only would not be enough?

> If yes than can I start with DMSA+ALA or is it better to start with

> DMSA only and than add ALA?

A lowish yellow lead level may indicate a higher burden. If I

understand Andy's book correctly on this, I think he could have

more in him than shows up on the test. I think you should use

DMSA plus ALA (start with just DMSA for a few rounds, then add

the ALA).

> 3) Antimony level is very high. I will try to eliminate some possible

> sources of antimony... I read on Dana's site that MB12+folates +

> TMG might help with this issue. Should I give it frequently as others

> chelators or one dose a day would be fine? I started MB12+folinic

> acid recently with great results. Could he do just with that (without

> TMG)? I am just trying to keep the costs down as possible.

Andy does recommend these, others will know dosages and whether

all are necessary. Maybe just try some TMG and see if it gives

you good benefits. If so, then you might want it - if not, or

if not much different, then maybe you don't need it.

> 4) With other metalls I will try to eliminate the sources. And they

> will probably go down on their own as soon as he gets rid of the

> worst toxic load (lead, mercury, antimony). Is that right?

>

> Have I missed anything? Any other tips?

>

> About essential minerals. Sodium an Potassium levels are very high

> (off chart). Any ideas why? I think I read somewhere it might have

> something to do with adrenal or thyroid disbalance.

Yes, he has adrenal problems and giving some adrenal cortex extract

will help.

> I am going to add up on selenium and manganese. Anything else?

I agree - definitely add those. Also give him some molybedenum

because it is a bit low (and that is meaningful with normal mineral

transport) and can help with sulfation.

Andy says low hair phosphorus (with normal m.t.) indicates

possible problems with protein absorption. Digestive enzymes

and perhaps some acid form vitamin C may help, along with

increasing protein in the diet. I really don't know about

giving betaine HCL with kids - possibly okay in this situation?

Liver support supps are also supposed to be good in this case,

and exclusion of fructose in the diet.

--

> Thanks in advance

> Galina

>

>

> POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color

> =============================================

> aluminum 14 < 8.0 Yellow

> antimony 0.43 < 0.066 HIGH RED

> arsenic 0.12 < 0.080 Yellow

> beryllium <0.01 < .020 no line

> bismuth 0.014 < 0.13 green

> cadmium 0.10 < 0.15 green

> lead 1.5 < 1.0 low Yellow

> mercury 0.48 < 0.40 low Yellow

> platinum <0.003 < 0.005 no line

> thallium <0.001 < 0.010 no line

> thorium 0.001 < 0.005 no line

> uranium 0.025 < 0.060 green

> nickel 0.18 < 0.40 green

> silver 0.23 < 0.20 low Yellow

> tin 0.47 < 0.30 Yellow

> titanium 0.46 < 1.0 green

>

> ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color under/over 50%

> ============================================================

> Calcium 353 125- 370 green over 50%

> Magnesium 25 12- 30 green over 50%

> Sodium 400 12- 90 RED over 50%

> Potassium 310 12- 40 RED over 50%

> Copper 14 8- 16 green over 50%

> Zinc 120 100- 190 green under 50%

> Manganese 0.17 0.20- 0.55 green under 50%

> Chromium 0.49 0.26- 0.50 green over 50%

> Vanadium 0.06 0.030- 0.10 green over 50%

> Molybdenum 0.062 0.050- 0.13 green under 50%

> Boron 3.0 0.60- 4.0 green over 50%

> Iodine 0.8 0.25- 1.3 green over 50%

> Lithium 0.033 0.007-0.023 Yellow over 50%

> Phosphorus 145 160- 250 Yellow under 50%

> Selenium 0.83 0.95- 1.7 Yellow under 50%

> Strontium 0.70 0.16- 1.0 green over 50%

> Sulfur 45600 45500-53000 green under 50%

> Barium .20 0.16- 0.80 green under 50%

> Cobalt 0.011 0.013-0.035 Yellow under 50%

> Iron 9.5 8.0- 19 green under 50%

> Germanium 0.030 0.045-0.065 Yellow under 50%

> Rubidium 0.47 0.016- 0.18 Yellow over 50%

> Zirconium 0.05 0.040- 1.0 green under 50%

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Dana,

> I am interested as to why you chose to use ALA only, not with DMSA

> for chelation.

I was not comfortable with the potential side effects of DMSA,

especially since I did not have access to testing.

>>I also would be grateful if you know where I can find

> lots of yeast protocol information too.

Here is my yeast info page

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

I have lots of yeast info in this site section, just scroll down a few

inches

http://www.danasview.net/parent3.htm#diet

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks, , that was very helpful!

Could you, please give me direction where I could I find more

information on adrenal issues? I'm going to buy Andy's book. Will I

find it all in it?

Galina

> >

> > Hi,all

> > My son is 4yo. He was healthy and contended baby until he got his

> > first DPT shot at 2 months old. Since that day he became

restless,

> > screamed a lot, could not sleep, his digestion was destroyed -

> > yeasts, bacteria etc, etc. By the age of 18 months I realised

his

> > behavour was not right. GFCF diet helped a lot. Enzymes and anti-

> > viral/yeast/bacteria treatment helped even more. But still he has

> > lots of food intolerances (phenols, luteins/carotens), still I

manage

> > to keep his yeast/bacteria at bay just with daily kefir. And they

> > would flare up again if he catches any virus. His behaviour is

> > getting much better though. I never tried to get diagnosis but I

> > beleive he is just mild Asperger's now.

> > Yesterday I got his hair test results from DDI. Certainly, I'm

pretty

> > confused. Could anyone help me with it?

> > My questions are:

> >

> > 1) If I got it right he does not meet any of the counting rules.

So I

> > presume his mineral transport is not messed up too badly. Is that

> > right?

>

> I agree.

>

>

> > 2) Mercury level is raised slightly - low yellow. Nevertheless I

> > beleive he would benefit from chelation by Andy's protocol .

After

> > his DPT shots 4 years ago I beleive he had no other exposure to

> > mercury. He rarely eats fish at all. May I presume he should be

OK

> > with ALA only?

>

> > 3) He's got lead in low yellow. Does this level indicate I have

to

> > chelate him for lead specifically and ALA only would not be

enough?

> > If yes than can I start with DMSA+ALA or is it better to start

with

> > DMSA only and than add ALA?

>

> A lowish yellow lead level may indicate a higher burden. If I

> understand Andy's book correctly on this, I think he could have

> more in him than shows up on the test. I think you should use

> DMSA plus ALA (start with just DMSA for a few rounds, then add

> the ALA).

>

>

> > 3) Antimony level is very high. I will try to eliminate some

possible

> > sources of antimony... I read on Dana's site that

MB12+folates +

> > TMG might help with this issue. Should I give it frequently as

others

> > chelators or one dose a day would be fine? I started MB12+folinic

> > acid recently with great results. Could he do just with that

(without

> > TMG)? I am just trying to keep the costs down as possible.

>

> Andy does recommend these, others will know dosages and whether

> all are necessary. Maybe just try some TMG and see if it gives

> you good benefits. If so, then you might want it - if not, or

> if not much different, then maybe you don't need it.

>

>

> > 4) With other metalls I will try to eliminate the sources. And

they

> > will probably go down on their own as soon as he gets rid of the

> > worst toxic load (lead, mercury, antimony). Is that right?

> >

> > Have I missed anything? Any other tips?

> >

> > About essential minerals. Sodium an Potassium levels are very

high

> > (off chart). Any ideas why? I think I read somewhere it might

have

> > something to do with adrenal or thyroid disbalance.

>

> Yes, he has adrenal problems and giving some adrenal cortex extract

> will help.

>

>

> > I am going to add up on selenium and manganese. Anything else?

>

> I agree - definitely add those. Also give him some molybedenum

> because it is a bit low (and that is meaningful with normal mineral

> transport) and can help with sulfation.

>

> Andy says low hair phosphorus (with normal m.t.) indicates

> possible problems with protein absorption. Digestive enzymes

> and perhaps some acid form vitamin C may help, along with

> increasing protein in the diet. I really don't know about

> giving betaine HCL with kids - possibly okay in this situation?

> Liver support supps are also supposed to be good in this case,

> and exclusion of fructose in the diet.

>

> --

>

>

> > Thanks in advance

> > Galina

> >

> >

> > POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> > element result ref range color

> > =============================================

> > aluminum 14 < 8.0 Yellow

> > antimony 0.43 < 0.066 HIGH RED

> > arsenic 0.12 < 0.080 Yellow

> > beryllium <0.01 < .020 no line

> > bismuth 0.014 < 0.13 green

> > cadmium 0.10 < 0.15 green

> > lead 1.5 < 1.0 low Yellow

> > mercury 0.48 < 0.40 low Yellow

> > platinum <0.003 < 0.005 no line

> > thallium <0.001 < 0.010 no line

> > thorium 0.001 < 0.005 no line

> > uranium 0.025 < 0.060 green

> > nickel 0.18 < 0.40 green

> > silver 0.23 < 0.20 low Yellow

> > tin 0.47 < 0.30 Yellow

> > titanium 0.46 < 1.0 green

> >

> > ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> > element result ref range color under/over 50%

> > ============================================================

> > Calcium 353 125- 370 green over 50%

> > Magnesium 25 12- 30 green over 50%

> > Sodium 400 12- 90 RED over 50%

> > Potassium 310 12- 40 RED over 50%

> > Copper 14 8- 16 green over 50%

> > Zinc 120 100- 190 green under 50%

> > Manganese 0.17 0.20- 0.55 green under 50%

> > Chromium 0.49 0.26- 0.50 green over 50%

> > Vanadium 0.06 0.030- 0.10 green over 50%

> > Molybdenum 0.062 0.050- 0.13 green under 50%

> > Boron 3.0 0.60- 4.0 green over 50%

> > Iodine 0.8 0.25- 1.3 green over 50%

> > Lithium 0.033 0.007-0.023 Yellow over 50%

> > Phosphorus 145 160- 250 Yellow under 50%

> > Selenium 0.83 0.95- 1.7 Yellow under 50%

> > Strontium 0.70 0.16- 1.0 green over 50%

> > Sulfur 45600 45500-53000 green under 50%

> > Barium .20 0.16- 0.80 green under 50%

> > Cobalt 0.011 0.013-0.035 Yellow under 50%

> > Iron 9.5 8.0- 19 green under 50%

> > Germanium 0.030 0.045-0.065 Yellow under 50%

> > Rubidium 0.47 0.016- 0.18 Yellow over 50%

> > Zirconium 0.05 0.040- 1.0 green under 50%

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks, , that was very helpful!

> Could you, please give me direction where I could I find more

> information on adrenal issues?

I have this link

http://www.drrind.com/adrensupport.asp

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks again, Dana

I really appreciate your help

> >

> > Thanks, , that was very helpful!

> > Could you, please give me direction where I could I find more

> > information on adrenal issues?

>

>

> I have this link

>

> http://www.drrind.com/adrensupport.asp

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Hi,all

> > > My son is 4yo. He was healthy and contended baby until he got his

> > > first DPT shot at 2 months old. Since that day he became

> restless,

> > > screamed a lot, could not sleep, his digestion was destroyed -

> > > yeasts, bacteria etc, etc. By the age of 18 months I realised

> his

> > > behavour was not right. GFCF diet helped a lot. Enzymes and anti-

> > > viral/yeast/bacteria treatment helped even more. But still he has

> > > lots of food intolerances (phenols, luteins/carotens), still I

> manage

> > > to keep his yeast/bacteria at bay just with daily kefir. And they

> > > would flare up again if he catches any virus. His behaviour is

> > > getting much better though. I never tried to get diagnosis but I

> > > beleive he is just mild Asperger's now.

> > > Yesterday I got his hair test results from DDI. Certainly, I'm

> pretty

> > > confused. Could anyone help me with it?

> > > My questions are:

> > >

> > > 1) If I got it right he does not meet any of the counting rules.

> So I

> > > presume his mineral transport is not messed up too badly. Is that

> > > right?

> >

> > I agree.

> >

> >

> > > 2) Mercury level is raised slightly - low yellow. Nevertheless I

> > > beleive he would benefit from chelation by Andy's protocol .

> After

> > > his DPT shots 4 years ago I beleive he had no other exposure to

> > > mercury. He rarely eats fish at all. May I presume he should be

> OK

> > > with ALA only?

> >

> > > 3) He's got lead in low yellow. Does this level indicate I have

> to

> > > chelate him for lead specifically and ALA only would not be

> enough?

> > > If yes than can I start with DMSA+ALA or is it better to start

> with

> > > DMSA only and than add ALA?

> >

> > A lowish yellow lead level may indicate a higher burden. If I

> > understand Andy's book correctly on this, I think he could have

> > more in him than shows up on the test. I think you should use

> > DMSA plus ALA (start with just DMSA for a few rounds, then add

> > the ALA).

> >

> >

> > > 3) Antimony level is very high. I will try to eliminate some

> possible

> > > sources of antimony... I read on Dana's site that

> MB12+folates +

> > > TMG might help with this issue. Should I give it frequently as

> others

> > > chelators or one dose a day would be fine? I started MB12+folinic

> > > acid recently with great results. Could he do just with that

> (without

> > > TMG)? I am just trying to keep the costs down as possible.

> >

> > Andy does recommend these, others will know dosages and whether

> > all are necessary. Maybe just try some TMG and see if it gives

> > you good benefits. If so, then you might want it - if not, or

> > if not much different, then maybe you don't need it.

> >

> >

> > > 4) With other metalls I will try to eliminate the sources. And

> they

> > > will probably go down on their own as soon as he gets rid of the

> > > worst toxic load (lead, mercury, antimony). Is that right?

> > >

> > > Have I missed anything? Any other tips?

> > >

> > > About essential minerals. Sodium an Potassium levels are very

> high

> > > (off chart). Any ideas why? I think I read somewhere it might

> have

> > > something to do with adrenal or thyroid disbalance.

> >

> > Yes, he has adrenal problems and giving some adrenal cortex extract

> > will help.

> >

> >

> > > I am going to add up on selenium and manganese. Anything else?

> >

> > I agree - definitely add those. Also give him some molybedenum

> > because it is a bit low (and that is meaningful with normal mineral

> > transport) and can help with sulfation.

> >

> > Andy says low hair phosphorus (with normal m.t.) indicates

> > possible problems with protein absorption. Digestive enzymes

> > and perhaps some acid form vitamin C may help, along with

> > increasing protein in the diet. I really don't know about

> > giving betaine HCL with kids - possibly okay in this situation?

> > Liver support supps are also supposed to be good in this case,

> > and exclusion of fructose in the diet.

> >

> > --

> >

> >

> > > Thanks in advance

> > > Galina

> > >

> > >

> > > POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> > > element result ref range color

> > > =============================================

> > > aluminum 14 < 8.0 Yellow

> > > antimony 0.43 < 0.066 HIGH RED

> > > arsenic 0.12 < 0.080 Yellow

> > > beryllium <0.01 < .020 no line

> > > bismuth 0.014 < 0.13 green

> > > cadmium 0.10 < 0.15 green

> > > lead 1.5 < 1.0 low Yellow

> > > mercury 0.48 < 0.40 low Yellow

> > > platinum <0.003 < 0.005 no line

> > > thallium <0.001 < 0.010 no line

> > > thorium 0.001 < 0.005 no line

> > > uranium 0.025 < 0.060 green

> > > nickel 0.18 < 0.40 green

> > > silver 0.23 < 0.20 low Yellow

> > > tin 0.47 < 0.30 Yellow

> > > titanium 0.46 < 1.0 green

> > >

> > > ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> > > element result ref range color under/over 50%

> > > ============================================================

> > > Calcium 353 125- 370 green over 50%

> > > Magnesium 25 12- 30 green over 50%

> > > Sodium 400 12- 90 RED over 50%

> > > Potassium 310 12- 40 RED over 50%

> > > Copper 14 8- 16 green over 50%

> > > Zinc 120 100- 190 green under 50%

> > > Manganese 0.17 0.20- 0.55 green under 50%

> > > Chromium 0.49 0.26- 0.50 green over 50%

> > > Vanadium 0.06 0.030- 0.10 green over 50%

> > > Molybdenum 0.062 0.050- 0.13 green under 50%

> > > Boron 3.0 0.60- 4.0 green over 50%

> > > Iodine 0.8 0.25- 1.3 green over 50%

> > > Lithium 0.033 0.007-0.023 Yellow over 50%

> > > Phosphorus 145 160- 250 Yellow under 50%

> > > Selenium 0.83 0.95- 1.7 Yellow under 50%

> > > Strontium 0.70 0.16- 1.0 green over 50%

> > > Sulfur 45600 45500-53000 green under 50%

> > > Barium .20 0.16- 0.80 green under 50%

> > > Cobalt 0.011 0.013-0.035 Yellow under 50%

> > > Iron 9.5 8.0- 19 green under 50%

> > > Germanium 0.030 0.045-0.065 Yellow under 50%

> > > Rubidium 0.47 0.016- 0.18 Yellow over 50%

> > > Zirconium 0.05 0.040- 1.0 green under 50%

> > >

> >

>