Re: feel like there's no end in sight :(

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Janey,

You might find NAET helpful. www.naet.com Are you taking zinc? It helps

balance copper. Have you identified sources of exposure to copper (copper

plumbing, perhaps?)

S S

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just my feelings here..<BR>

i've been sick on/off for 4 years..now i have no amalgams for a year<BR>

and i'm still sick. i took my DDI hair test..high copper. in the book <BR>

it says i can't chelate..i feel like my estrogen is shooting through <BR>

the roof..i'm constantly PMSing..but worse.<BR>

i can't understand the book well, maybe it's the <BR>

brainfog,anxiety,heartpalps or whatever. i feel like i will never get <BR>

out of this vicious cycle. i'm a mom & wife..and i can't be there 100% <BR>

like i want to..life is just passing me by..i'm sick & tired of being <BR>

sick & tired. don't know what supps to take anymore..just stopped <BR>

everything.<BR>

thanx for listening.<BR>

janey <BR>

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Janey,

Another wife and mother here: it can really get tough. I, too,

feel sicker 1 year post amalgam removal. Since you are not

chelating, you are really following the 'typical' pattern described

in Andy's book (kind of a 'honeymoon' period followed by a nosedive

or increase in symptoms).

You CAN chelate, just not with ALA, right? Unfortunately, that

means finding and affording a doctor for a prescription for DMSA,

DMPS and such.

Get aggressive with that high copper. I can't remember if you

posted the numbers, but I don't recall you ever saying copper was

sky-high. Lots of molybdenum and zinc. Retake that hair test in 3

months and re-evaluate using ALA. I got my son's hair (and blood)

copper down from the red to the green in just 4 months.

Some of my Autism moms SWEAR by krill oil for PMS. I haven't tried

it yet, but I am considering taking out a second mortgage to buy a

bottle (expensive little crustaceans). I ended up caving and going

on low dose birth control to alleviate some of the PMS, new found

acne and crazy behavior. It has only been one cycle, but I didn't

feel like killing the husband at 'that time of the month' this time

around!

I don't have great answers for you... I'm hoping my 'I know exactly

what you are going through' message helps just a tiny little bit. I

never tested my copper levels before I started taking oral ALA. In

a way, I'm glad I didn't. I see many people getting hung up on high

copper and avoiding chelation. I would do some real soul searching

to compare how you feel NOW against the risk of ALA chelation. You

can chelate with ALA at the same time you are agressively lowering

copper levels.

Someone jump in if I am wrong there. Unless you are truly copper

toxic... just being in the yellow or red on the DDI hair test

doesn't prohibit ALA.

Hang in there, Janey.

Pam

>

> just my feelings here..

> i've been sick on/off for 4 years..now i have no amalgams for a

year

> and i'm still sick. i took my DDI hair test..high copper. in the

book

> it says i can't chelate..i feel like my estrogen is shooting

through

> the roof..i'm constantly PMSing..but worse.

> i can't understand the book well, maybe it's the

> brainfog,anxiety,heartpalps or whatever. i feel like i will never

get

> out of this vicious cycle. i'm a mom & wife..and i can't be there

100%

> like i want to..life is just passing me by..i'm sick & tired of

being

> sick & tired. don't know what supps to take anymore..just stopped

> everything.

> thanx for listening.

> janey

>

[Guest guest]

thank you so much pam.

i need to get some supplements and get a bit stronger to actually do

the chelation (which i am actually looking forward to).

i need to get some adrenal support,vit.C,magnesium & other stuff.

i'm not quite in the red for copper...but i'm 52 (refrence range is:

25-30). my mercury is extremely low (probubly retention toxicity).

i am mad at myself for not knowing about chelation right after i got my

9 lovely amalgams out, i could have saved myself from getting so sick.

janey

[Guest guest]

> i've been sick on/off for 4 years..now i have no amalgams for a year

> and i'm still sick.

What are you doing? What are you taking? Are you taking anything? Any

supplements/vitamins? Do you know what problems you have, I mean weak adrenals

(sounds like it), thyroid, anything else?

> i took my DDI hair test..high copper. in the book

> it says i can't chelate..

Are you taking lots of zinc, molybdenum? Are you doing anything right now to

lower the copper?

Did you consider chelating with DMSA?

> i'm constantly PMSing..

Do you have adrenals problems?

> i can't understand the book well,

You can ask here anything you need to know and don't understand.

> i feel like i will never get out of this vicious cycle.

Of course you will. It's just a matter of gathering your thoughts (I know

that's not always easy) and start something... Like vitamins maybe,

supplements, DMSA... Maybe go check your adrenals or any other test you can

afford and see if you can find something wrong, something that's not working

the way it should. That's a start. Take supplements that would help your

condition. If you have low adrenals, stay away from sugars. Eat small meals

frequently. Avoid anything that makes your adrenals work more (if you don't

know what, ask here). Check your thyroid maybe... Try some anti-yeast

supplements, like GSE. Check your liver, if it's able to detoxify your body

well. See how is your sulfur status. If it's low, you need to do something

about it...

Don't feel guilty for channeling your attention (the little you have) toward

yourself for a while. Getting yourself feeling better means being able to take

better care of your family.

> don't know what supps to take anymore..just stopped everything.

What did you take?

Valentina

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> >

> > just my feelings here..

> > i've been sick on/off for 4 years..now i have no amalgams for a

> year

> > and i'm still sick. i took my DDI hair test..high copper. in the

> book

> > it says i can't chelate..i feel like my estrogen is shooting

> through

> > the roof..i'm constantly PMSing..but worse.

> > i can't understand the book well, maybe it's the

> > brainfog,anxiety,heartpalps or whatever. i feel like i will never

> get

> > out of this vicious cycle. i'm a mom & wife..and i can't be there

> 100%

> > like i want to..life is just passing me by..i'm sick & tired of

> being

> > sick & tired. don't know what supps to take anymore..just stopped

> > everything.

> > thanx for listening.

> > janey

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Just curious as to when you got sick vs. when you got amalgams out? I

took mine out 2 months ago (5 total), and I'm just beginning chelation

now, not because I'm sick but because I still have allergies (though

not as bad as before!) and am afraid that I still may get sick if I

don't. (Plus, I'm chelating my daughter and would like to plan to

have another child, so need to do it to be on the safe side.) It's

been very unpleasant to say the least, but it's important.

Hang in there! Based on what I know about supplements and causes,

you're on the right path! I'm certainly no expert, but all this rings

true.

>

> thank you so much pam.

> i need to get some supplements and get a bit stronger to actually do

> the chelation (which i am actually looking forward to).

> i need to get some adrenal support,vit.C,magnesium & other stuff.

>

> i'm not quite in the red for copper...but i'm 52 (refrence range is:

> 25-30). my mercury is extremely low (probubly retention toxicity).

>

> i am mad at myself for not knowing about chelation right after i got

my

> 9 lovely amalgams out, i could have saved myself from getting so

sick.

>

> janey

>

[Guest guest]

Oral DMSA is available w/o prescription in the US. VRP sells it. Those of you

who feel worse after amalgam removal, did you have it done by a mercury-free

dentist using proper protocol? Do you have other sources of exposure to mercury

(like tattoos? Some of the inks contain mercury). Did you have the fillings

removed quadrant by quadrant without crossing midline? Did the dentist check

amalgameter reading each time before deciding which quadrant to remove next?

Did/do you have any gold in your mouth? Was it there during the removal?

S S

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Janey,<BR>

<BR>

Another wife and mother here:  it can really get tough.  I, too, <BR>

feel sicker 1 year post amalgam removal.  Since you are not <BR>

chelating, you are really following the 'typical' pattern described <BR>

in Andy's book (kind of a 'honeymoon' period followed by a nosedive <BR>

or increase in symptoms).  <BR>

<BR>

You CAN chelate, just not with ALA, right?  Unfortunately, that <BR>

means finding and affording a doctor for a prescription for DMSA, <BR>

DMPS and such.  <BR>

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Yes, I always forget about vrp.

I went to a great dentist for my amalgam removal. We opted for

doing one side of the mouth and then the next; not quadrants (but

not crossing the midline). I had no amalgameter or any other types

of testing. No gold. No tatoos or other body sources of mercury.

I just got lazy about taking care of myself. I lived through a

honeymoon period where I felt GREAT (sinus and tooth pain literally

disappered the day I had the last amalgam removed),and focused my

energy on my ASD child. I only started supplementing when I noticed

fatigue and acne after 6 months. Prior to that, I took only high

dose EFAs.

I'm hoping those experienced can jump in on the " highish copper

means no ALA " discussion. Oral ALA is widely available and so much

cheaper than DMSA or other chelators (and it really seems to be

working!!!). I think we've scared people away from ALA a bit with

all of the copper reduction talk.

Thanks,

Pam

>

> <tt>

> Janey,<BR>

> <BR>

> Another wife and mother here:  it can really get tough.  I, too,

<BR>

> feel sicker 1 year post amalgam removal.  Since you are not <BR>

> chelating, you are really following the 'typical' pattern

described <BR>

> in Andy's book (kind of a 'honeymoon' period followed by a

nosedive <BR>

> or increase in symptoms).  <BR>

> <BR>

> You CAN chelate, just not with ALA, right?  Unfortunately, that

<BR>

> means finding and affording a doctor for a prescription for DMSA,

<BR>

> DMPS and such.  <BR>

>

>

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> i've been sick on/off for 4 years..now i have no amalgams for a year

> and i'm still sick. i took my DDI hair test..high copper. in the book

> it says i can't chelate

See this message where I tried to summarize some copper info:

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/162753.html?highlight=weinert%20copper

Unfortunately, I neglected to mention that you should check ALL

supplements to make sure they don't contain copper. Also, our recent

experience has shown that taking the molybdenum and zinc at the

beginning of the meal rather than after the meal seems to be more

effective at lowering copper.

...i feel like my estrogen is shooting through

> the roof..i'm constantly PMSing..

PMS is symptomatic of copper toxicity. Doing the copper lowering

regimen could help you a lot. Ashwagandha can help a bit with both

copper symptoms and thyroid. According to pg. 152 of Amalgam Illness,

estrogens interfere with copper excretion. Anything you can do to get

your estrogen level under control (e.g. the progesterone cream already

mentioned) will probably help.

A good place to get good quality supplements at fairly reasonable

prices is www.illnessisoptional.com You can also buy Thorne Captomer

there, which is just another name for DMSA. VRP is cheaper but if you

make a large enough order from the illnessisoptional site shipping is

free.

I know the feeling of being terribly tired. I felt great after

starting all the copper lowering supps, etc. If you feel you are too

tired to research amounts to take, email me on or off list and I will

give you my BTDT advice.

W.