Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 > Does IP6 supplementation need to be given in intervals like ALA since > it is a natural chelator? I don't know. Someone posted this exact question on a-m forum yesterday, so hopefully Andy Cutler will have an opinion about it. I tried reducing my son's dose a few weeks ago, and it was nightmarish. Lots of oppositional and defiant behavior, not a fun kid to be around. So I give his " regular dose " 2x per day, and I am NOT interested in doing " rounds " . I want to use it for my son for liver & > kidney support but of course, wouldn't want it to cause any > redistribution of anything since he is young and new to bio-medical. > (would it cause redistribution in brain?) So far as the info I have, it removes free floating iron and calcium. So the iron and calcium is already free floating. One site did state that it does NOT pull calcium from the bones. So not sure it would really affect the brain. >>Anyone recommend a specific > brand? I use Enzymatic Therapy Cell Forte. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 > > Does IP6 supplementation need to be given in intervals like ALA since > > it is a natural chelator? > > > I don't know. Someone posted this exact question on a-m forum > yesterday, so hopefully Andy Cutler will have an opinion about it. > > I tried reducing my son's dose a few weeks ago, and it was > nightmarish. Lots of oppositional and defiant behavior, not a fun kid > to be around. So I give his " regular dose " 2x per day, and I am NOT > interested in doing " rounds " . Just guessing, but it would seem that since iron has a necessary body function as opposed to mercury which is only toxic, that redistribution wouldn't be an issue. Dana, were there any specific behaviors/symptoms that led you to suspect too much iron? Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 , I posted a similar question to the Andy Cutler on the group. Here's my question, and Andy's reply below (he has stated that all his replies are public): IP6 is not a chelator in the sense we discuss such on the list, I would consider all literature discussing this property of IP6 as it relates to use as a supplement to be marketing hype and ignore it. Andy > IP-6 is supposed to be a " natural heavy metal chelator. " Andy, do you > believe that it does, in fact, chelate metals; if so, I would presume that > it needs to be taken at regular intervals--such as every 4 or 8 hours. > > At 02:15 PM 5/29/2005 +0000, you wrote: > > > Does IP6 supplementation need to be given in intervals like ALA since > > it is a natural chelator? > > >I don't know. Someone posted this exact question on a-m forum >yesterday, so hopefully Andy Cutler will have an opinion about it. > >I tried reducing my son's dose a few weeks ago, and it was >nightmarish. Lots of oppositional and defiant behavior, not a fun kid >to be around. So I give his " regular dose " 2x per day, and I am NOT >interested in doing " rounds " . > > > I want to use it for my son for liver & > > kidney support but of course, wouldn't want it to cause any > > redistribution of anything since he is young and new to bio-medical. > > (would it cause redistribution in brain?) > > >So far as the info I have, it removes free floating iron and calcium. >So the iron and calcium is already free floating. One site did state >that it does NOT pull calcium from the bones. So not sure it would >really affect the brain. > > > >>Anyone recommend a specific > > brand? > > >I use Enzymatic Therapy Cell Forte. > >Dana > > > > > >---------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 >>>IP-6 is supposed to be a " natural heavy metal chelator. " From the description of what IP6 does from the Source Naturals site: " IP-6 (inositol hexaphosphate) is a component of certain dietary fibers, particularly most cereal grains, legumes, and seeds high in oil. Many researchers believe that some of fiber's health benefits may be due to the antioxidant, immune enhancing, and cardiovascular supporting activities of IP-6. In-vitro and animal research has shown IP-6 to have significant protective and growth regulating effects on various cells and tissues including those of the colon, breast, and prostate. " It does not appear to be a 'chelator' in the very strict chemical definition of the word, but it could help remove metals in the practical sense. An advantage of adding dietary fiber, as is a general health recommendation for all sorts of illnesses, is to help bind up and remove gunk and toxins. Whether to do periodic timed doses would likely be up to what the individual seems to do best with. The ALA low-frequent dosing is aimed at keeping a steady state of the ALA in. This is very similar to other steady state nutritional methods (Brainchilds lowering dosing at regular intervals, giving regular antioxidants throughout the day, etc). Even the low-n-slow enzyme dosing is for helping very sensitive nerve system to gradual heal without adding too much stress. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 > Dana, were there any specific behaviors/symptoms that led you to > suspect too much iron? Any time I gave a multi-vitamin, my son would regress. I tried the ingredients individually, and the multi-minerals with iron caused regression, but the multi-minerals without iron were much better. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 Do you give your son any other supplements? Thanks, Rima Regas On 2/24/06, tazu_kumano <tazu_kumano@...> wrote: > > Anita, > > IP6 works very well on my son's OCD and anxiety too. Just 1 chewable > tablet and any sign of OCD is gone. Amazing. But it sometimes make > him pale and over-subdued. I queried on the list and Dana's insight > was that it worked on something other than iron that was causing OCD > but also reduced iron from his body so suggested to supplement with > iron and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 I don't see any minerals in your list. I do see lecithin (soy), however. I know that soy and casein cause my daughter to have asthma and OCD. Interestingly, the two times we recently had to stop supplements, particularly her minerals, we had OCD issues too. Thanks, Rima On 2/24/06, tazu_kumano <tazu_kumano@...> wrote: > > Rima, > Yes, I give the standard supplements like, Houston enzymes, CLO, > carnitine, CoQ10, B complex, C, E, Selenium, magnesium, zinc, milk > thistle, taurine, lecithin, also chelate with ALA 3/4 AC formula, > antiviral/bacterial/fungal with OLE, VS, NF, biotin, GSE, Lauricidin, > sambucol with cranberry/blueberry juice. Also, 24hr home-made yogurt > and kefir. > Now I give him 2 x IP6 twice a day too. He hardly ever get OCD or > stims now. Just so subdued, which makes me wonder if I'm overdoing the > antimicrobals... > Tazu > > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Valentina, I did try just inositol before without much effect, but I was giving it with meal... I didn't know that IP6 chelates magnesium, zinc, and others; I got an impression that it chelates calcium and iron. Well, it doesn't sound good since I know my son does well with magnesium and zinc. I'll try inositol on empty stomach and see. Thank you, Valentina. Tazu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 > I did try just inositol before without much effect, but I was giving it > with meal... I'm pretty sure you're supposed to take it without food. > > I didn't know that IP6 chelates magnesium, zinc, and others; I got an > impression that it chelates calcium and iron. Well, maybe I am wrong, but this is how I understand it... IP6 is a phytate. Phytates have strong chelating properties for doubly charged metal ions, like magnesium2+, calcium2+, zinc2+ (not just calcium or iron). It also affects the gastric juices, so you might want to be careful with giving it with meals. Maybe using it for short periods of time would be better...? I have no idea... I don't use this supplement and I only happened to read about it, so I don't really know... > Well, it doesn't sound good since I know my son does well with > magnesium and zinc. Maybe this is why he gets the pale color... Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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