Re: Is denying your children vaccines selfish?

February 28, 2006

Personally, I don't think it is selfish to spare your children from

needless brain damage. The chances of them getting those diseases is

so remote. Not to mention many people who are vaccinated get them

anyway. If you avoid IV drug use and unprotected sex amongts men, the

whole hepatitis thing is also not an issue. The other hepatitis is

from food prepared in unsanitary arrangements. Treatable ailment as

well. For many years quaranteed worked well when you were ill. Again,

this is only my opinion which is what you asked for. Not to mention

if you were to put mercury in your babies bottle you would be arrested

and your child taken away, same with formaldahyde or ethelyene glycol

(better known as anti-freeze), so I don't see how it makes it any more

appropriate to give to my kids because it is in a vaccine. Which also

containes monkey liver cells, chicken embryo cells or aborted fetus

cells laced with a virus. Damaging a child's brain is irreversible.

And also, I would not be denying my child anything. When they reach

age of consent they may choose to be vaccinated if they wish. I do

apologize if this seems a bit harsh. I do not mean to offend you in

anyway, I am only stating my personal view of it. We all have our own

veiws and beliefs.

>

> I was wondering if anyone thinks that denying your child vaccines is

> selfish. I mean, if these children grow up and get hepatitis B, for

> example, and then come in contact with a child who isn't old enough

to

> have gotten immunized against Hep B yet, isn't that bad?

>

> What does everyone else think?

>

February 28, 2006

Vaccines are contraindicated in probably 70 to 90% of all autistic children.

[ ] Is denying your children vaccines selfish?

I was wondering if anyone thinks that denying your child vaccines is

selfish. I mean, if these children grow up and get hepatitis B, for

example, and then come in contact with a child who isn't old enough to

have gotten immunized against Hep B yet, isn't that bad?

What does everyone else think?

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March 1, 2006

>

> I was wondering if anyone thinks that denying your child vaccines is

> selfish. I mean, if these children grow up and get hepatitis B, for

> example, and then come in contact with a child who isn't old enough to

> have gotten immunized against Hep B yet, isn't that bad?

This is a concern of a few people, usually regarding Rubella and the

child coming into contact with a pregnant woman. This is why, if my

daughter [who has not received MMR] reaches age 16 or so, and has not

had natural Rubella, I will probably have her vaccinated so she won't

have to worry about it. Her body is free of metals and other viruses

now, and is fully loaded with required nutrients, and she will be much

older, so she should tolerate the vaccine okay.

Many parents believe it is selfish to give the child flu vaccine,

which is marketed about 25% for the child's benefit and 75% for the

parent's benefit, so they don't have to take time off work to care for

their sick child.

Most of the vaccine-illnesses are non-life-threatening, they are just

inconvenient. Plus, the chance of even contracting the illness is

very low, then if you factor in the chance of a severe case of the

illness, the percentage is very low, altho it does still exist. There

are medical interventions that can be done if the child does contract

the disease, so it is not " hopeless " .

If you agree to a vaccination, your chances of coming into contact

with the illness, or the mercury, or the other ingredients in the

vaccine, are then 100%, causing the entire equation to be increased.

For example, there are many reports of a child getting chicken pox

AFTER receiving the vaccine. Most outbreaks in schools are among the

vaccinated children.

Everyone must do the math for themselves, and then apply it to their

own family and situation.

Using your example, HepB vax at birth caused my son to obtain a dx of

" classic Kanner's autism " , severe, low functioning. His health,

behavior, and developmental issues have caused me to give much time,

energy, and money over the past 10 years, trying to recover him from

the injuries that it caused. If I had " just said no " to that vaccine,

now THAT would have been selfish, I would have had lots more time for

myself, and LOTS [with capital letters] more money that I would not

have had to spend on special foods, supplements, therapies, etc.

Regarding your specific example, I took this paragraph from my

favorite online site for supplement and medical condition info

http://www.kroger.com/hn/Concern/Hepatitis.htm

" For infectious (viral) hepatitis, good hygiene is necessary to avoid

spreading the infection. The hepatitis A virus can be spread very

easily through food that is handled by infected individuals;

therefore, people with hepatitis A should wash their hands very

carefully after using the restroom and should not handle food at work.

The hepatitis viruses B and C are both transmitted by blood and sexual

contact. "

Therefore, Hepatitis A can be spread to the unsuspecting child, not

Hepatitis B from an unvaccinated child unless there is very bizarre

[or criminal] behavior going on. So it can be argued that the primary

purpose of giving Hepatitis B vaccine is selfish, because it will

primarily protect the child from the consequences of bad decisions he

makes HIMSELF later in life.

Deciding not to vaccinate, in my opinion, is UNselfish, because you

are considering the potential effect on your child, and you are

willing to devote your time and energy to him if/when he does get

sick, in helping him recover and then he will have lifelong natural

immunity.

However, in my opinion, parents should be selfish regarding their

kids. Noone else cares about them more than the parents, and if

*someone* is not protecting them, then noone else will care either.

I don't want my kids' bodies to be further injured by vaccinations. I

don't want their lives to be more difficult than they already are. I

want to have *some* money left for them after I am gone, or maybe just

to leave them debt-free. I want them to be able to communicate their

ideas, not be in pain, and be happy and productive. I want them not

to be dependent on others for their daily care. I want to be able to

enjoy my later years, maybe go on a vacation with my husband without

the kids. I may not be able to do all of those things, but I am

working on it. So yes, I am selfish. I love my family.

Dana

March 1, 2006

, right on!

We just had a baby 1 month ago We were considering a delayed

immunization schedule so as to wait until his immune system was

stonger. However, after much consideration we have elected to go

vac. free. It just isnt worth the risk. Auto-immune probs on both

side of the family and a older son on the spectrum. Too risky.

Period.

At the very least consider the following: There have been NO long-

term studies done on vaccinations. Generally any study conducted

consists of following the newly vaccinated for a few days to a few

weeks. Thats it! Hardly enough time to determine the " true " safety

of the vaccination.

Reese

>

> I am also in the no vaccine camp. I do not think it is shelfish

at all. I can't imagine definitely hurting my children on the off-

chance they might get something. That is like saying never get into

a car because you might get into an accident. The risk/benefit

ratio with vaccines isn't such that I will ever consider any

vaccines for my kids. There are too many things inside them and no

way that any scientist knows exactly what happens when those

substances are put into our bodies. There are cells from other

humans and animals that contain their DNA. There is no way that we

can know what this does. Chemicals that would otherwise not be

allowed near your child by EPA standards are readily available for

use in vaccines.

>

> The side effects are unmeasurable. Childhood cancer is rising

at the rate of 10% per year. It is also known that the polio

vaccine can very well contain a certain monkey virus that causes

treatment resistant cancer. SIDS is thought to be caused in a

majority of cases to be caused by the pertussis toxiod. They use it

in lab animals to induce brain swelling. And then there is life

threatening allergies, ADD, ADHD, asthma, diabetes, auto-immune

diseases like arthritis and lupus and seizures to think about. All

have risen in the past 10+ years since the vaccine program added all

those extra shots and uptake became higher.

>

> And even if they escape that how many people do we know these

days who are getting sick with cancer and deadly autoimmune

diseases. So many are thought to be caused by metals/toxins. I

have read where alzheimers patients are treated like we are treating

our ASD kids and they are getting better. A study published back in

the 80s found that if someone got the flu shot 5 years in a row

their risk of alzheimers rose 10%.

>

> To me it just isn't worth it. I work hard to keep my kids

healthy. Good diet and immune system boosting supplements when they

get exposed to something. They rarely get anything beyond a runny

nose and cough and that only lasts for a day or so. I would rather

work hard to keep they well and know how to treat something should

it happen than set them up for a health crisis somewhere down the

road. This is a decision I made almost 4 years ago and I don't

regret it at all.

>

> Doctors and some parents will try and guilt you into giving the

shots. They just are saying what they think is best. That doesn't

make them right. Doctors get most of their information from vaccine

companies. And vaccine companies are a for-profit company.

Information from them always has to be taken with a chunk of salt!

We wouldn't believe it if Marlboro says smoking is good for you

because of an obvious conflict of interest. Same conflict exists

with the vaccine makers. You have to decide what it is best for

your child. I would look at all aspects of vaccines, what is the

risk of getting something and what would you do if they did get

something. I would recommend looking into homeopathy. They have an

excellent record of treating many diseases. Amy Lansky wrote a

wonderful book, The Imposible Cure. The book talks about homeopathy

and explains how it works everything. She had an ASD son who was

cured with homeopathy. Great book!

>

> My soapbox!!

>

March 1, 2006

In World War II my father got hepatitis from his yellow fever vaccine.

He was one of I found that out by accident, reading page 30 of the

book " Vaccine A " by Matsumoto.

http://www.vaccine-a.com/

331,000 troops received contaminatd vaccines and 53,000 developed

jaundice. My father could never give blood.

We parents of autistic children have learned the hard way that

vaccines are not one-size-fits-all. Our kids' immune systems are

damaged and respond differently to shots. For starters look into the

emerging research of Dr. Isaac Pessah and others at the MIND

Institute, UC- at Irvine, or Dr. Martha Herbert of Harvard, or

Dr. Bernard Rimland of the Autism Research Institute in California.

It is tragic that the self-serving vaccine bureaucracy believes

that " safe " means " benefits outweigh risks " (quote from Offit of

CHOP). Rational humans believe that no child should be written off as

a necessary casualty in the war on disease.

Hokkanen

Minneapolis

>

> I was wondering if anyone thinks that denying your child vaccines is

> selfish. I mean, if these children grow up and get hepatitis B, for

> example, and then come in contact with a child who isn't old enough

to

> have gotten immunized against Hep B yet, isn't that bad?

>

> What does everyone else think?

>

March 1, 2006

If clapping could be hear on message boards...I am applauding you

right now!! Very well stated!

> >

> > I was wondering if anyone thinks that denying your child

vaccines is

> > selfish. I mean, if these children grow up and get hepatitis B,

for

> > example, and then come in contact with a child who isn't old

enough to

> > have gotten immunized against Hep B yet, isn't that bad?

>

> This is a concern of a few people, usually regarding Rubella and

the

> child coming into contact with a pregnant woman. This is why, if

my

> daughter [who has not received MMR] reaches age 16 or so, and has

not

> had natural Rubella, I will probably have her vaccinated so she

won't

> have to worry about it. Her body is free of metals and other

viruses

> now, and is fully loaded with required nutrients, and she will be

much

> older, so she should tolerate the vaccine okay.

>

> Many parents believe it is selfish to give the child flu vaccine,

> which is marketed about 25% for the child's benefit and 75% for the

> parent's benefit, so they don't have to take time off work to care

for

> their sick child.

>

> Most of the vaccine-illnesses are non-life-threatening, they are

just

> inconvenient. Plus, the chance of even contracting the illness is

> very low, then if you factor in the chance of a severe case of the

> illness, the percentage is very low, altho it does still exist.

There

> are medical interventions that can be done if the child does

contract

> the disease, so it is not " hopeless " .

>

> If you agree to a vaccination, your chances of coming into contact

> with the illness, or the mercury, or the other ingredients in the

> vaccine, are then 100%, causing the entire equation to be

increased.

> For example, there are many reports of a child getting chicken pox

> AFTER receiving the vaccine. Most outbreaks in schools are among

the

> vaccinated children.

>

> Everyone must do the math for themselves, and then apply it to

their

> own family and situation.

>

> Using your example, HepB vax at birth caused my son to obtain a dx

of

> " classic Kanner's autism " , severe, low functioning. His health,

> behavior, and developmental issues have caused me to give much

time,

> energy, and money over the past 10 years, trying to recover him

from

> the injuries that it caused. If I had " just said no " to that

vaccine,

> now THAT would have been selfish, I would have had lots more time

for

> myself, and LOTS [with capital letters] more money that I would not

> have had to spend on special foods, supplements, therapies, etc.

>

> Regarding your specific example, I took this paragraph from my

> favorite online site for supplement and medical condition info

>

> http://www.kroger.com/hn/Concern/Hepatitis.htm

>

> " For infectious (viral) hepatitis, good hygiene is necessary to

avoid

> spreading the infection. The hepatitis A virus can be spread very

> easily through food that is handled by infected individuals;

> therefore, people with hepatitis A should wash their hands very

> carefully after using the restroom and should not handle food at

work.

> The hepatitis viruses B and C are both transmitted by blood and

sexual

> contact. "

>

> Therefore, Hepatitis A can be spread to the unsuspecting child, not

> Hepatitis B from an unvaccinated child unless there is very bizarre

> [or criminal] behavior going on. So it can be argued that the

primary

> purpose of giving Hepatitis B vaccine is selfish, because it will

> primarily protect the child from the consequences of bad decisions

he

> makes HIMSELF later in life.

>

> Deciding not to vaccinate, in my opinion, is UNselfish, because you

> are considering the potential effect on your child, and you are

> willing to devote your time and energy to him if/when he does get

> sick, in helping him recover and then he will have lifelong natural

> immunity.

>

> However, in my opinion, parents should be selfish regarding their

> kids. Noone else cares about them more than the parents, and if

> *someone* is not protecting them, then noone else will care either.

>

> I don't want my kids' bodies to be further injured by

vaccinations. I

> don't want their lives to be more difficult than they already

are. I

> want to have *some* money left for them after I am gone, or maybe

just

> to leave them debt-free. I want them to be able to communicate

their

> ideas, not be in pain, and be happy and productive. I want them

not

> to be dependent on others for their daily care. I want to be able

to

> enjoy my later years, maybe go on a vacation with my husband

without

> the kids. I may not be able to do all of those things, but I am

> working on it. So yes, I am selfish. I love my family.

>

> Dana

>

March 1, 2006

Hi,

I have 4 kids. Both boys, 16 and 14 have autism (both fully vaccinated), my

daughter 12 who I waited to vacinated suffers from allergies and is alittle

emotional (more than normal) but is ok. I waited until she was almost 5 years

old to vaccinate her! I just had a baby in July 2005 and she is not vaccinated

and will not be. She is so healthy and has had 2 mild colds which she

recovered from very quickly and her God given immune system is now stronger. I

too worry, but my concern about her health with the immunizations is greater.

It is too risky.

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