Re: Supplement Troubles

[Guest guest]

> I tried calcium, 200mg (350mg magnesium always) and he became very

> hyper. I can tell he is calcium deficient because his finger and toe

> nails are growing in with grooves and pits and are brittle. Also, I

> noticed he is getting white spots on his teeth. How do I get him to

> use or tolerate calcium?

Sorry, I cannot answer your questions, I just wanted to say that white

spots on my son's teeth was excess of fluoride. He used to have these

white spots and they finally went away. It took at least one year.

[Guest guest]

> He used to take MB12 inj and for what ever reason(money, not liking

> poking him, stopping all supplements to find the reason for a

> regression and never starting it again), I stopped. After I got

> these results I gave him one injection and he became very hostile.

This might be because the dose was too high, or you gave it without

folic acid, or it caused yeast overgrowth. All three of those things

happened with mB12 and my #3.

>>he doesn't tolerate

> Biotin,

What happens when you give it to him?

>>tolerates very small amounts B3 and B5, 400mcg Folinic with

> 6mcg mB12 with it. I tried B2 alone and it made his lips flaming red

> and swollen. How do I get these balanced so he tolerates them?

Keep giving him whatever dose he tolerates. Try to adjust them every

few weeks.

> I tried calcium, 200mg (350mg magnesium always) and he became very

> hyper.

My son was hyper with calcium because he was calcium toxic. However,

if it is causing hyper for a child with known deficiency, consider

giving it with increased magnesium and vitamin D.

What are all the ingredients of the calcium supplement you are giving?

>>I can tell he is calcium deficient because his finger and toe

> nails are growing in with grooves and pits and are brittle.

Check here for any other reasons for those issues

http://www.skinatlas.com/nails.htm

http://dermnetnz.org/hair-nails-sweat/nails.html

http://www.pathlights.com/nr_encyclopedia/03extr02.htm

>> Also, I

> noticed he is getting white spots on his teeth.

Check here

http://www.dentalgentlecare.com/what_ages_teeth.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

Both my kids have the white spots too and dentist have told me it is

florousis..too much flouride. make sure your child is not drinking

flouridated water!

> > I tried calcium, 200mg (350mg magnesium always) and he became

very

> > hyper. I can tell he is calcium deficient because his finger

and toe

> > nails are growing in with grooves and pits and are brittle.

Also, I

> > noticed he is getting white spots on his teeth. How do I get

him to

> > use or tolerate calcium?

>

> Sorry, I cannot answer your questions, I just wanted to say that

white

> spots on my son's teeth was excess of fluoride. He used to have

these

> white spots and they finally went away. It took at least one year.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi . I read that, too. He gets no flouride. No toothpaste,

filtered out of his drinking water, bath water, kitchen water, etc.

Maybe it isn't so much white spots, but the whiteness of his teeth is

disappearing except in some spots.

Thanks,

a

> > I tried calcium, 200mg (350mg magnesium always) and he became

very

> > hyper. I can tell he is calcium deficient because his finger and

toe

> > nails are growing in with grooves and pits and are brittle.

Also, I

> > noticed he is getting white spots on his teeth. How do I get him

to

> > use or tolerate calcium?

>

> Sorry, I cannot answer your questions, I just wanted to say that

white

> spots on my son's teeth was excess of fluoride. He used to have

these

> white spots and they finally went away. It took at least one year.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jan. Thanks. I want to clarify that it seems his teeth are not

as white except for these white spots. Maybe they are greying.?

He gets no flouride. He reacts(or used to)very badly to flouride. I

would know if that was it.

Thank you,

a

> > > I tried calcium, 200mg (350mg magnesium always) and he became

> very

> > > hyper. I can tell he is calcium deficient because his finger

> and toe

> > > nails are growing in with grooves and pits and are brittle.

> Also, I

> > > noticed he is getting white spots on his teeth. How do I get

> him to

> > > use or tolerate calcium?

> >

> > Sorry, I cannot answer your questions, I just wanted to say that

> white

> > spots on my son's teeth was excess of fluoride. He used to have

> these

> > white spots and they finally went away. It took at least one year.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Oh..ok sorry. Not sure about the graying, if I run into any info on

that I'll post it.

> > > > I tried calcium, 200mg (350mg magnesium always) and he

became

> > very

> > > > hyper. I can tell he is calcium deficient because his

finger

> > and toe

> > > > nails are growing in with grooves and pits and are brittle.

> > Also, I

> > > > noticed he is getting white spots on his teeth. How do I

get

> > him to

> > > > use or tolerate calcium?

> > >

> > > Sorry, I cannot answer your questions, I just wanted to say

that

> > white

> > > spots on my son's teeth was excess of fluoride. He used to

have

> > these

> > > white spots and they finally went away. It took at least one

year.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I and my oldest son are prone to hypocalcification (the term for the white

spots, gray-ish color, and low calcium content which causes it). As I

understand it, the white spots are a place where there is a " clumping " of

calcium -- that part of what is going on is that the calcium is not

distributed evenly. (Someone who is sure want to comment?) My understanding

is that one thing which can cause it is high fevers in infancy, when the

buds are still forming in the gums. With getting enough calcium, my teeth

do look better and do become less sensitive to sweets and hot and cold. I

can tell I need more calcium when my teeth begin to look funny -- more

translucent and thus sort of " grey " -- and become sensitive again to heat

and cold and sweets.

I have no idea how much you have researched calcium supplements, but in case

you haven't researched it much yet: The most common form of calcium found

in calcium supplements is essentially the same stuff seashells are made of

and it isn't absorbed well at all by anyone. So I am wondering if you just

need to find the right one? You also need vitamin d at the same time and I

think vitamin K. FWIW: Sunlight helps the body manufacture vitamin D.

There was also a question about how to get biotin into the kid. I suggest

giving more probiotics. I have heard that most people get most of the

biotin they need from the " good germs " in the gut. Since there is a history

of yeast problems, that suggests to me a deficiency of probiotics in the

gut.

PS -- someone else commented on being mercury toxic and having the brittle

nails and not thinking that was related to calcium. My understanding is

that the body tends to strip calcium from the bones when the blood is too

acid (trying to correct the ph balance) and that metal poisoning acidifies

the blood, so being mercury toxic tends to cause calcium deficiency.

HTH,

--

Michele in Limbo (formerly in California)

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[Guest guest]

I think is talking about calcium carbonate. Not only is it

not well absorbed, naturally-sourced calcium carbonate (from bone

meal or oyster shells, etc.) can be very high in lead. A safer

choice would be calcium carbonate that is made in the lab, but you

still have the absorbtion problem. Calcium citrate is very well

absorbed, and supposedly also low in lead. That's what we use.

René

> I have no idea how much you have researched calcium supplements,

but in case

> you haven't researched it much yet: The most common form of

calcium found

> in calcium supplements is essentially the same stuff seashells are

made of

> and it isn't absorbed well at all by anyone. So I am wondering if

you just

> need to find the right one? You also need vitamin d at the same

time and I

> think vitamin K. FWIW: Sunlight helps the body manufacture vitamin

D.

>

> HTH,

> --

> Michele in Limbo (formerly in California)

>

> talithamichele@...

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I and my oldest son are prone to hypocalcification (the term for

the white

> spots, gray-ish color, and low calcium content which causes it).

As I

> understand it, the white spots are a place where there is

a " clumping " of

> calcium -- that part of what is going on is that the calcium is not

> distributed evenly. (Someone who is sure want to comment?) My

understanding

> is that one thing which can cause it is high fevers in infancy,

when the

> buds are still forming in the gums. With getting enough calcium,

my teeth

> do look better and do become less sensitive to sweets and hot and

cold. I

> can tell I need more calcium when my teeth begin to look funny --

more

> translucent and thus sort of " grey " -- and become sensitive again

to heat

> and cold and sweets.

>

> I have no idea how much you have researched calcium supplements,

but in case

> you haven't researched it much yet: The most common form of

calcium found

> in calcium supplements is essentially the same stuff seashells are

made of

> and it isn't absorbed well at all by anyone. So I am wondering if

you just

> need to find the right one? You also need vitamin d at the same

time and I

> think vitamin K. FWIW: Sunlight helps the body manufacture vitamin

D.

What you describe does sound like what I am seeing with my sons

teeth.

I did a alot of searching last year trying to find a cal supplement

that he could tolerate. The Kirkman product was what we were left

with at the end of that and he seemed to tolerate that for a while,

but that stopped and I quit supplementing cal. I started with that

when I found that he was deficient. I just received cal citrate, cal

gluconate and cal carbonate in the mail the other day, I will try

them out. He is tolerating alot more now, so maybe one or more of

them will work.

He does get D and K even witout cal supplements.

Haha, there is no sunlight to be found here in Ohio.

>

> There was also a question about how to get biotin into the kid. I

suggest

> giving more probiotics. I have heard that most people get most of

the

> biotin they need from the " good germs " in the gut. Since there is

a history

> of yeast problems, that suggests to me a deficiency of probiotics

in the

> gut.

I give him probitcs for a day or two and then he needs a break from

them. He gets them probably 3 days a week.

>

> PS -- someone else commented on being mercury toxic and having the

brittle

> nails and not thinking that was related to calcium. My

understanding is

> that the body tends to strip calcium from the bones when the blood

is too

> acid (trying to correct the ph balance) and that metal poisoning

acidifies

> the blood, so being mercury toxic tends to cause calcium deficiency.

This could also be a reason for my son to be deficient, although, not

being CF and not supplementing are enough.

Thank for your ideas, Michele.

a

>

> HTH,

> --

> Michele in Limbo (formerly in California)

>

> talithamichele@...

>

>

> Visit Michele's World!

> http://www.califmichele.com

>

> " Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by

understanding. "

> -- Albert Einstein

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Okay, opening mouth and risking inserting foot:

My oldest rarely drinks milk and the only cheese he seems to eat is parmesan

when we make pizza. Yet he tolerated yogurt well as a small child. I am

eating organic yogurt every day for breakfast. I buy " Yobaby " which is

aimed at babies. Because of my genetic disorder, I have prescription

enzymes but I never take them when I eat yogurt -- unlike with other foods,

I do fine with yogurt without the enzymes. I assume it is because of the

probiotics. Organic yogurt has more varieties of probiotics than other

yogurts and that is helping me heal my gut issues after a lifetime of

improperly treated health problems (because I was almost 36 when my genetic

disorder was discovered). Even though the child does not eat any dairy,

have you ever considered trying JUST yogurt and seeing if he tolerates

that? My oldest son and I both tolerate yogurt far better than other forms

of dairy, which we don't consume much of.

Also, D and K need to be given WITH calcium -- at the same time -- maximize

absorbtion. And take iron supplements or eat iron-rich foods at least 30

minutes apart from calcium foods or calcium supplements.

Also, what about Tofu? It is rich in calcium and I used to add soy flour or

part of a package of tofu to ordinary bread recipes as a way to up the

protein and calcium content. (The irony: Soy is contra-indicated for my

genetic disorder so I have to had stop those practices. SIGH.)

Good luck,

--

Michele in Limbo (formerly in California)

talithamichele@...

Visit Michele's World!

http://www.califmichele.com

" Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding. "

-- Albert Einstein