Re: NutriiVeda and sleep

[Guest guest]

It sounds like lots of things happened @ the same time: sick, tubes out/in, NV.

It would be good to try 2 scoops in the am or 1 in am & 1 @lunch. Since the NV

increases energy, it may be giving her good energy but at the wrong time of day.

I would not give it @ night.

Try changing the dosage time & see what happens. Remember lots of fluids too!

Warmest wishes,

Barbara A , M.S., CCC-SLP

Executive Director, Help Me Speak, LLC

410-442-9791

[ ] Nutriiveda and sleep

Ladies -

Has anyone had bad sleep experience with NutriiVeda? had been doing

great with her sleep issues and in the last 3-4 weeks it's all gone DOWNHILL.

First it started with ear infections (Her tube fell out and immediately she was

getting ear infections) but her sleep patter wasn't horrible, once we got her on

antibiotic she slept better again. Then 2 weeks ago she had her tubes fixed and

since then her sleep has gotten HORRIBLE. She wakes up at 1:30am and will not

go back to sleep (I wrote this in another email as well). SO there were only a

few things that could be causing this.

1) She's sick and isn't showing signs and can't tell us if something hurts b/c

she is not verbal

2) Anhestisia (I can't spell) is effecting her sleep pattern, but that was 2

weeks ago

3) NutriiVeda shake at dinner time is doing somethign to her system

She goes down with no problem, but would wake every night and not go back to

sleep.

Last night - I didn't give her hte shake in the evening. She woke up at 3:30am

(which is better than 1:30) but was only up for 20-30 mins and I never even got

out of bed. She must have fallen back asleep somewhere in her room (I couldn't

tell on the monitor where she was!) and I didn't hear her until 7am. I am going

to test it again tonight and see what happens. If I can get her back on her

good sleep pattern I will try and bring the 2nd scoop back in, but given that we

have not seen huge success with NutriiVeda as others have - not sure it was

doing much help anyway. I still give it to her in the Morning (just 1 scoop)..

Maybe that is all her body can tollerate???

Thoughts?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I do not know about the other factors you have mentioned but Nutriiveda in the

evening definitely disturbs the sleep. best taken in the morning for this

reason. We are observing that the child is finding hard to go to sleep but once

asleep, sleeps through out.

regards,

Supraja

>

> Ladies -

> Has anyone had bad sleep experience with NutriiVeda? had been doing

great with her sleep issues and in the last 3-4 weeks it's all gone DOWNHILL.

First it started with ear infections (Her tube fell out and immediately she was

getting ear infections) but her sleep patter wasn't horrible, once we got her on

antibiotic she slept better again. Then 2 weeks ago she had her tubes fixed and

since then her sleep has gotten HORRIBLE. She wakes up at 1:30am and will not

go back to sleep (I wrote this in another email as well). SO there were only a

few things that could be causing this.

> 1) She's sick and isn't showing signs and can't tell us if something hurts b/c

she is not verbal

> 2) Anhestisia (I can't spell) is effecting her sleep pattern, but that was 2

weeks ago

> 3) NutriiVeda shake at dinner time is doing somethign to her system

>

> She goes down with no problem, but would wake every night and not go back to

sleep.

>

> Last night - I didn't give her hte shake in the evening. She woke up at

3:30am (which is better than 1:30) but was only up for 20-30 mins and I never

even got out of bed. She must have fallen back asleep somewhere in her room (I

couldn't tell on the monitor where she was!) and I didn't hear her until 7am. I

am going to test it again tonight and see what happens. If I can get her back

on her good sleep pattern I will try and bring the 2nd scoop back in, but given

that we have not seen huge success with NutriiVeda as others have - not sure it

was doing much help anyway. I still give it to her in the Morning (just 1

scoop).. Maybe that is all her body can tollerate???

>

> Thoughts?

>

[Guest guest]

Oh yes! My 4 year old ASD/apraxic son has been on NV for 2 weeks now and we

have had terrible nights! He goes down easy enough at his usual time (8 p.m.)

and sleeps like a brick for 7 hours then is wide away, bouncing, " talking " ,

giddy for a good 2 hours! All weekend, he was up at 5 a.m. and that was it - up

for the day ( and so too was mommy then! UGH!). He was a great sleeper before

NV - slept a solid 11 hours every night, despite the fact that many ASD kids

have sleep issues. He is also petering out at 4:30 p.m. and then having to nap

until supper and now we are in a vicious cycle of disrupted sleep. So we have

decided to pull back the amount of NV he gets back to where it was helping him,

but not making him manic. We find that 1/2 scoop first thing in the morning has

positive effects in terms of his eye contact, focus, general behaviour/attitude,

speech (more babbling/word attempts/requesting), but as soon as we did 1 full

scoop, he started to get hyper, and 1.5 scoops (served 1 in am and the other

half scoop at 2 p.m for snack) made his sleep erratic. I think the NV has an

energizing effect - many people have said that here, both adults and for

children, so you have to find out the best amount that gives your child the best

outcome without the negative side effects of being wakeful and hyper.

Tatyana

[ ] Nutriiveda and sleep

Ladies -

Has anyone had bad sleep experience with NutriiVeda? had been doing

great with her sleep issues and in the last 3-4 weeks it's all gone DOWNHILL.

First it started with ear infections (Her tube fell out and immediately she was

getting ear infections) but her sleep patter wasn't horrible, once we got her on

antibiotic she slept better again. Then 2 weeks ago she had her tubes fixed and

since then her sleep has gotten HORRIBLE. She wakes up at 1:30am and will not go

back to sleep (I wrote this in a nother email as well). SO there were only a few

things that could be causing this.

1) She's sick and isn't showing signs and can't tell us if something hurts b/c

she is not verbal

2) Anhestisia (I can't spell) is effecting her sleep pattern, but that was 2

weeks ago

3) NutriiVeda shake at dinner time is doing somethign to her system

She goes down with no problem, but would wake every night and not go back to

sleep.

Last night - I didn't give her hte shake in the evening. She woke up at 3:30am

(which is better than 1:30) but was only up for 20-30 mins and I never even got

out of bed. She must have fallen back asleep somewhere in her room (I couldn't

tell on the monitor where she was!) and I didn't hear her until 7am. I am going

to test it again tonight and see what happens. If I can get her back on her good

sleep pattern I will try and bring the 2nd scoop back in, but given that we have

not seen huge success with N utriiVeda as others have - not sure it was doing

much help anyway. I still give it to her in the Morning (just 1 scoop).. Maybe

that is all her body can tollerate???

Thoughts?

[Guest guest]

The Nutriiveda appears to be having the opposite affect on my 25mth old boys

sleep.

He has always been one to wake 3 or 4 times every single night, and then up

between 4.30 and 5.30 in the mornings.

Now, he is often sleeping the night through (we've been on the Nutriiveda about

two and a half weeks now), or may wake just once. He's also been sleeping till

about 7.30 most mornings.

The only problem I have been having with sleep is that it is harder to get him

down now (he goes to bed between 7 - 7.30). Usually he would go to sleep pretty

much straight away, but now takes me 30minutes or so to get him off to sleep.

My boy has his Nutriiveda in the afternoons, around 4, so I might try giving it

to him before lunch and see if that makes any difference.

I have been seeing a few slight change since on the Nutriiveda, including his

clarity of the few word approximations he has, and his willingness to

entertain/play more himself (always needed my constant attention to keep him

interested in anything prior)

I will post on his progress next week - haven't had the chance to do anything of

late cause I've just been so busy.

>

> Ladies -

> Has anyone had bad sleep experience with NutriiVeda? had been doing

great with her sleep issues and in the last 3-4 weeks it's all gone DOWNHILL.

First it started with ear infections (Her tube fell out and immediately she was

getting ear infections) but her sleep patter wasn't horrible, once we got her on

antibiotic she slept better again. Then 2 weeks ago she had her tubes fixed and

since then her sleep has gotten HORRIBLE. She wakes up at 1:30am and will not

go back to sleep (I wrote this in another email as well). SO there were only a

few things that could be causing this.

> 1) She's sick and isn't showing signs and can't tell us if something hurts b/c

she is not verbal

> 2) Anhestisia (I can't spell) is effecting her sleep pattern, but that was 2

weeks ago

> 3) NutriiVeda shake at dinner time is doing somethign to her system

>

> She goes down with no problem, but would wake every night and not go back to

sleep.

>

> Last night - I didn't give her hte shake in the evening. She woke up at

3:30am (which is better than 1:30) but was only up for 20-30 mins and I never

even got out of bed. She must have fallen back asleep somewhere in her room (I

couldn't tell on the monitor where she was!) and I didn't hear her until 7am. I

am going to test it again tonight and see what happens. If I can get her back

on her good sleep pattern I will try and bring the 2nd scoop back in, but given

that we have not seen huge success with NutriiVeda as others have - not sure it

was doing much help anyway. I still give it to her in the Morning (just 1

scoop).. Maybe that is all her body can tollerate???

>

> Thoughts?

>

[Guest guest]

Yeast.

I agree with Ms. . has lots of things going on. Here's one

possibility: the antibiotics kill all her gut flora. A desert is created

which, if the antibiotics are paused for awhile, allows a bad bug to grow

and (1) infect the ear, and (2) manufacture some drug that makes her a bit

hyper.

I describe my daughter, who I think has such a yeast, as manic at times.

Mania, bloated belly, flickering attention span, wacky headstands, fits of

running nowhere, babbling non-stop to nobody, chewing all sorts of objects

(including poisonous ones), increased hand-wringing/stimming -- and waking

up in the wee hours and ricocheting around her room while I dream of sleep.

If your daughter has a yeast problem, I've read it may cause bad digestion

via excess mucus secretion in her gut. I cook with virgin unrefined coconut

oil, give my daughter pears rather than apples, give her some S boulardii,

peel fruit and steam or nuke all vegetables and nuts, do many of the things

listed for a GAPS or Specific Carbohydrate diet ... and wait impatiently for

her systems to heal and quiet down so giving Nutriiveda doesn't make her

life so complicated I can't identify her patterns.

Good luck -

Tim Stearns

[Guest guest]

I agree about the yeast... my ASD son has been battling yeast for quite awhile

and recently it is much worse... not sure if the NV is adding to the problem,

despite the fact that it is a GFCF product, but there are still starches (rice

flour) and sugar (cane sugar) in it which are " illegal " on the SCD. My son is

EXACTLY like you describe your daughter to be when yeast is flaring... he will

even chew on our leather couch! He wakes at night and does the same kind of

laughing, babbling, bouncing, etc.. that you describe. Yeast is a nasty thing!

We were hoping to avoid Nystatin by trying NV... we are starting the SCD this

weekend to take out more refined starches/sugars/carbs to get the yeast under

control... it's a long battle. You said you were " waiting patiently for her

system to calm down so NV doesn't make her life so complicated " - did you mean

that NV had negative effects or so you could start NV?

Tim, I think I missed your introduction.. your comments here seem to be very

biomedically based... are you following a biomedical approach with your

daughter? What is her diagnosis/age? Are you a parent on this board or do you

also hold some professional qualifications? Just curious as I read your posts

with interest...

Tatyana

Re: [ ] Nutriiveda and sleep

Yeast.

I agree with Ms. . has lots of things going on. Here's one

possibility: the antibiotics kill all her gut flora. A desert is created

which, if the antibiotics are paused for awhile, allows a bad bug to grow

and (1) infect the ear, and (2) manufacture some drug that makes her a bit

hyper.

I describe my daughter, who I think has such a yeast, as manic at times.

Mania, bloated belly, flickering attention span, wacky headstands, fits of

running nowhere, babbling non-stop to nobody, chewing all sorts of objects

(including poisonous ones), increased hand-wringing/stimming -- and waking

up in the wee hours and ricocheting around her room while I dream of sleep.

If your daughter has a yeast problem, I've read it may cause bad digestion

via excess mucus secretion in her gut. I cook with virgin unrefined coconut

oil, give my daughter pears rather than apples, give her some S boulardii,

peel fruit and steam or nuke all vegetables and nuts, do many of the things

listed for a GAPS or Specific Carbohydrate diet ... and wait impatiently for

her systems to heal and quiet down so giving Nutriiveda doesn't make her

life so complicated I can't identify her patterns.

Good luck -

Tim Stearns

[Guest guest]

Hi Tatyana,

The only parent recently talking about SCD is Annie. And recent incredible

update from Annie who’s child just started SCD and HBOT but has been on

nutriiveda from prior with surges…and regressed when off †" and now back on

doing things well above schedule according to the docs.

We are probably feeding our children something healthier than just about

anything else they've ever eaten in their entire life, receiving nutrients

probably missing up till now. Sure things will change!

Parents of typical developing kids don’t have a choice to get rid of the

terrible twos or kids that wake up 5 AM etc….other than medicating

them!!...but as his " normal " Tanner prior to fish oils back when he was 2 and 3

years old †" kind of lethargic and “out of it†that was Tanner then. He

was my " good boy " who didn't fuss at anything- except of course during a sensory

meltdown which wasn't often as we learned how to avoid them at times. For the

most part he didn't fuss no matter what we had him do, eat, wear - and he pretty

much stayed where I put him. Didn't move around too much. He loved the

stroller and he loved to be carried.

I don’t know about some of your kids but that was Tanner. Maybe it was

because I used to work in the toy and film industry with typical developing

kids, or maybe it's because one of my friend's daughter who I almost raised with

my then probably too young to be a mother friend - was a female Dennis the

Menace who was talking up a storm from 2 years old -you can't even begin to

imagine all the stuff got into as a little girl! (and today I'm

friends with her on fb and she's now going to nursing school!) or maybe it's

because my first born son Dakota was ADHD bouncing off the walls. Tanner never

even tried to keep up with him...until fish oils.

Whatever fish oil does helped tremendously- just like we are hearing with

nutriiveda -speech, motor skills -just surges all around. Of course now Tanner

has been on the same oils for a decade and the nutriiveda has provided him gains

in areas we didn't even think possible- I mean to go from hating to loving

reading virtually overnight? Eloquent speech virtually overnight? Multi tasking

virtually overnight? etc.

Of course the brain responds to multiple stimuli so yes appropriate therapy is

most important especially for growing children who don't have those strategies

they learn from therapy. Tanner I have been told is " therapied up " He knows

how to get around issues -he's learned to overcome them -and now with the

nutriiveda it 'appears' as if he needs even less 'support'

With fish oils or Nutriiveda if you need to work your child up †" then why not

do that? But the very fact it’s having such an affect on things like behavior

or sleep to me means it's doing 'something' crossing the blood brain barrier,

helping neurologic function. And I don't care what it's called -not so much

into the politics -biomedical, nutraceutical, ayurvedic medicine -again it's

clearly providing some nutrient or nutrients needed by the body. And in today's

research there is so much more linking the importance of nutrition to good

health. You'll find those that spend more money today on higher quality foods

for their family spend less in medical down the road -we all see it. You can't

mess with mother nature! In the case of Nutriiveda it's ayurvedic medicine

which nobody here- and probably even Dr. Deepak Chopra himself yet understands

why it’s “working†in children like ours.

For our kids it’s all theories…so we stay open to yeast, parasites, lyme, or

the older mercury or viral reasons -I've been reading and hearing theories for

10 years plus now. Bottom line is in the entire time I’ve dealt with these

issues I’ve never seen anything as simple, healthy, and inexpensive..and again

SIMPLE!! work as well as Nutriiveda -and that quick?!! A few days -and you get a

money back guarantee?

To me the worst side effect of something like fish oil or nutriiveda is

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING CHANGES!

And Tatyana you asked about Tim's background or intro - great thing about this

group list or any like it is that it’s a diary where we all can look back at

our own history or that of others. Tim is awesome and from what I can tell when

I just looked for you a very caring member of our group who has from almost day

one reached out to help others with advice and incredible wisdom and theories.

I too would love to know your background Tim †" I know you say you are

“just†a dad †" but what do you do for a living if you can share??

For those that missed Tim’s theory on why the nutriiveda may be “workingâ€

it’s below and also up at our http://www.pursuitofresearch.org website here

http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~a few archives from Tim

And first message Aug 11 2009

Re: [ ] land parents?

Sort of -- Eastern Shore land; my 4-year-old daughter hasn't been

officially diagnosed autistic/apraxic yet, but there's no mistaking the

signs and blood test results. We're from San Francisco, and likely to return

there in September; however, I'm keeping all options open in case she can

get better help here. I'm starting her first-tier on DAN! supplements.

Tim Stearns

~~~~~Oct 5, 2009 (pre nutriiveda conversation here)

Re: [ ] from apraxia digest

Hi back -- I haven't yet seen any supplement help for my daughter. It's

early in the diet regime for her, though; so far I'm only giving her 1000 mg

Omega 369 w/ 150 mg Vit E. (Plus almost everything else per the first-tier

supplements listed in Autism: Effective Biomedical Treatments.) HOWEVER I

DON'T HAVE PERFECT FAITH THAT THE SUPPLEMENTS ARE ALL THAT APPROPRIATE FOR

MY DAUGHTER. My daughter's test showed low blood serotonin -- something for

which neither DAN! nor traditional autism doctors have made the tiniest

suggestion. My view of the first-tier supplements is that they can help my

daughter's basic health, without much risk -- while we wait for more tests

and more ideas that give better clues about what to treat.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:48 AM, mona <needdhelp@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi Tim, can you list supplements helped your daughter in developing speech

> as my son is still non verbal and with asd we have done OAT thro

> greatplaines and on some supplements thanks,

> mona

And from Feb 16th -(pre Tim's daughter trying nutriiveda)

Re: [ ] Re: nutriiveda

Here's my guess: part of your daughter's feelings could be due to Nutriiveda

helping the brain manufacture more serotonin. Serotonin is probably the

brain's idea-integrator -- it helps us focus. To do so, it probably

secondarily increases acetylcholine, the neurotransmitter of arousal. It

could be that as your daughter adjusts to increased serotonin overall, the

increase in acetylcholine will be less unusual, and she'll get aroused more

appropriately. She'll get the control of arousal aroused.

Increased serotonin may also reduce stimming and help one control one's

appetite.

I think I'm seeing some good effects on my daughter as I increase her meat

(tryptophan) and combine it with carefully-chosen carbohydrates (which help

tryptophan through the blood-brain barrier). My Nutriiveda order hasn't

arrived yet ...

Good luck!

Tim Stearns

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:01 AM, hildy gogal <hildygogal@...> wrote:

>

>

> My 5yr old nonverbal daughter has been on nutriiveda for about 1 week. We

> have also increased her medication about 6wks ago, so I'm not sure what is

> causing the changes with my daughter, but I like what I am seeing, for the

> most part. I would appreciate any feedback.

>

> 1) more focused, able to sustain joint attention for a longer period of

> time.

> 2) even more interested in interacting with others then she has been

> 3) vocalizing more almost as if she is attempting to answer our questions

> and/or communicate her needs.

> 4) some increase in imitation

> 5) less sensory seeking

> 6) no vocal stims for the past few days.

> 7) less crying and tantruming (usually because she is asked to do something

> and she can't or doesn't understand what is expected of her).

>

> Some negatives:

>

> She is not sleeping well at night, wakes up every night for at least 2hrs

> (she has never been a great sleeper but was doing better for awhile).

> Again, I'm not sure what the cause is.

>

> She seems more anxious- possible because she is more aware of her

> limitations (in ability to comprehend everything, express and motor plan?)

>

> Thanks for any feedback

~~~Feb 22, 2010 (Tim's daughter now on nutriiveda)

The ideas below may explain something about how Nutriiveda, apraxia, autism

and the mind work.

Nutriiveda might help because of least three factors. First is the

fish-in-a-barrel, buckshot aspect. Apraxia and autism seem to develop from a

slew of chemical shortages, and Nutriiveda gives lots of the right things to

repair lots of kinds of damage at once. Second, Nutriiveda's ingredients may

include something science hasn't come across or explored deeply, such as

combinations of ingredients that enhance each other's actions in overlooked,

especially relevant ways. Absorption of Curcumin, for example, which

Wikipedia says has a positive effect on neurogenesis and neuron survival, is

increased 2000% around piperine; Nutriiveda combines Curcumin with Amalaki,

which in Ayurvedic tradition enhances both. Amalaki is also believed to give

energy, which can help a person learn more (the Japanese value energetic,

" bright " children).

Third, the whey protein isolate beefs up alpha-lactoalbumin which in turn

beefs up the supply of tryptophan which in ITS turn should beef up the

brain's supply of serotonin, a shortage of which, in ITS turn also, is

suggested as a key factor in ASD problems (1). Serotonin is perhaps the

brain's master integrator (2), a primitive mind before mind. It seems to

enable our attending to the body's immediate concerns, turning down

competing signals. Ideas that follow from these: if serotonin is low the

mind can't focus on focusing, can't learn to " control attention " . If

serotonin is low basic movement patterns, which should have been integrated

into larger ones, appear separately as stimming. Since serotonin regulates

its own production, through feedback, damage to the feedback might lead to

imbalance through excess serotonin.

Serotonin shortages have also been associated with epilepsy, and increasing

tryptophan amount and ratio through alpha-lactoalbumin has been used to

reduce seizures (3). A feature of the cortex and hippocampus seems to be a

balancing of excitation and inhibition, of glutamate and GABA (4). Together

these ideas suggest that an epileptic seizure can occur when one general

kind of signal, e.g. excitation, dominates and nerves start a self-iterative

circle of re-firing. Consciousness is in a way the opposite: the absence of

repetitive excitation. Concepts, one can speculate, also begin as

imbalances of excitation and inhibition, tiny ones, in different parts of

the brain. Imbalances lead, via mRNAs, via early and late LTP/LTD, to the

building of unique signal-paths and nerve networks which underpin

cognition. When large epileptic waves take over, the small paths of

concepts get flooded and the mind blacks out. The large Delta waves of deep

sleep similarly " replace consciousness " . One aspect of autism looks like the

developmental counterpart of epilepsy: if there�s too little or too much

serotonin subtle imbalances between excitation and inhibition may be

overwhelmed, paths can't grow, and mind doesn�t build; an apraxic child

can't catch and bring into sequence tiny details of speech control.

Upsetting the fine balance of signals disrupts both the conscious mind and

the growing mind. Whey and tryptophan may restore the balance.

(1) serotonin:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2730007/pdf/CN-7-150.pdf, esp. p153-4.

(2) Basic Neurochemistry, 7th edition, Siegel Albers Brady Price eds., p239.

(3) tryptophan: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17826001. P Mainardi; the

summary.

(4) The Autistic Neuron: Troubled Translation? R Kelleher, M Bear, Cell 135

10/31/08 p401-6. Also, rapamycin rescuing L-LTP: Reversal of learning

deficits in a Tsc2+/- mouse model of tuberous sclerosis, D Ehninger et al.,

Nature Medicine v14 n8 August 2008, p843-8.

Whey protein isolate supplies all the amino acids. In contrast to milk,

it's made of short proteins that are ordinarily almost completely digested.

Once in the bloodstream tryptophan can get into the brain better if one eats

carbohydrates at the same time -- the carbs kick up insulin which routes

away the other amino acids but lets tryptophan free to get through the

blood-brain barrier. Casein-Free and Specific Carbohydrate Diets, if not

managed well, might at times lead to inappropriate nutrition. co's

alpha-lactoalbumin provides a high amount of tryptophan relative to other

amino acids.

From the tryptophan paper it seems possible Nutriiveda like other

tryptophan-raising products could help reduce seizures. It may alleviate

depression. Perhaps it could ease some seniors' cognition problems.

Serotonin helps control appetite, sleep, anxiety and more, so Nutriiveda's

ingredients could help health management generally.

Caveats to keep in mind:

-- Serotonin doesn't itself make memories so much as facilitate the nerves

that do. If the ideas above are in the right ballpark, serotonin just turns

on the lights and makes sure the teams come to the game. This could mean, if

the brain finally achieves a balance of chemicals that makes partially

recorded memories accessible, that ability seems to surge -- perhaps because

the ability to recall, itself partially a memory, becomes stable enough for

the mind to use. Learning, learning ability, and attitude toward learning

could all improve.

-- There might be as many initial causes of apraxia and autism as there are

chemicals in the brain. It's too much to hope that getting serotonin or

excitation-inhibition in balance will help everyone.

-- Whatever originally disrupted a person's neural signals, the survival of

neurons, the production of serotonin or the supply of tryptophan or other

nutrients will probably continue to be a problem. Leaky gut, yeast,

metabolic upsets, immune problems, toxins, genetic and epigenetic factors

almost certainly need separate work. Will there be regressions? Side

effects? Is the brain working perfectly? Good monitoring, testing, training

and chemical questioning could be important for a long time.

Good luck -

Tim Stearns

From March 1st -recent:

Re: [ ] Re: Nutriveda/Appetite Concern

Hi -- writing to both the group and to individuals, as my gmail doesn't seem

to be working as I'd expect -- Last Saturday I gave my daughter, 4, 1 full

scoop of NV in her almond-milk breakfast cereal -- and she stopped eating

for a week. Very baffling. But the day before her teachers said many kids

were home sick; on Tuseday my daughter vomited; on Tuesday, Wednesday and

Thursday she had near-diarrhea accidents. So her lost appetite may have been

a stomach bug. She's now eating fine -- I'm throwing meat at her from a

distance -- and up to nearly one scoop of NV a day. I suppose a " bug "

explains everything, but still ... NV may have surprising side effects on

some kids.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:53 AM, vraciup <svraciu@...> wrote:

>

>

> Wanted to update on the appetite situation mentioned below. Within one full

> week of losing his appetite, it finally came back. Turns out it was a

> different culprit (thank goodness). We started OT recently and the new OT

> was trying to get to try new foods. It was the first " feeding " session

> and she tried cheese pizza on him. He was thoroughly upset...I would almost

> say he was panicked. I'd never seen him like this before and eventually she

> got him to pick it up a few times and throw pieces of pizza away, which

> still really got under his skin. Starting the next day he stopped eating for

> a full week. We finally put it together that he must have been pretty

> traumatized, which showed up as the refusal to eat.

>

> Feeling awful that this happened, but thankful it wasn't caused by the NV.

>

> Just an FYI

> Sharon

March 2nd

Re: [ ] One week on NV - great progress but we are now in

Meltdown City!

Nutriiveda probably increases the brain's access to serotonin, and that

neurotransmitter controls a long list of very ancient behavior patterns. One

possibility is that signals are now getting through to the area of the brain

where a simple behavior pattern (anger) gets activated more, and that

presently a more advanced behavior pattern -- subliminating the anger --

will get learned, or superimposed. I.e., the tantrums mean more energy,

which will soon be available for other, better behavior.

Good luck -

Tim Stearns

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Dianne <degarrettjones@...> wrote:

>

>

> Liam continues to amaze us with new words, longer sentences, more

> attention, more interest in what's going on around him, and best of all, a

> big desire to share his world with us! He's generally happy, singing a lot

> and wanting us to sing with him - this really does seem to have flipped a

> switch for him. And he seems aware of the changes, too. It seems that he's

> aware and proud that he's doing new things.

>

> BUT . . . his anger and frustration levels - when he does get angry or

> frustrated - are all of the sudden really intense! He threw a tantrum at

> preschool today that was unlike anything he's ever done in the 2 1/2 yrs

> he's been there. And yesterday was tantrum after tantrum after tantrum, all

> day long. I believe that I read somewhere - can't find it here, so maybe on

> someone's blog? - that someone else's kid went through a rough patch a few

> days after starting NV? Or am I imagining that? Please give me hope that

> this is just detox or something and will pass!

>

> Dianne

>

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Hope that helps- it's all a journey -but we have to give a bit of time to get to

where we are going....I mean most of us have waited for years -so at least a few

weeks!

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[Guest guest]

Thanks guys! I had started with 2 scoops in the morning and after talking with

she suggested 1 morning and 1 evening.  But I think i am going to stick

with 1 scoop in the morning for a week or 2 and see what happens and then add

it back around lunch and see what happens.  But it's good to know that I am not

the only one seeing awakeness/sleep issues when given at night.

Thanks guys!  So far 2 nights in a row she has done TREMENDOUSLY bettter!  I

have been able ot sleep with a bangless night for the most part!!!!!  Last night

i don't know that she got up at all!

  Cristal

gtzellner@...

[Guest guest]

LOL I was on the phone while writing this and I never made my point...I was

going to say that when Tanner started to stamp his foot " NO! " and run around the

table instead of sitting nicely at dinner I was so thrilled- actually happy,

really really happy!!! And you'll read that in the archives- I just couldn't

wait for Tanner to be more himself- rather than what I wanted him to do and be.

(referring to) I don’t know about some of your kids but that was Tanner.

Maybe it was because I used to work in the toy and film industry with typical

developing kids, or maybe it's because one of my friend's daughter who I almost

raised with my then probably too young to be a mother friend - was a female

Dennis the Menace who was talking up a storm from 2 years old -you can't even

begin to imagine all the stuff got into as a little girl! (and today

I'm friends with her on fb and she's now going to nursing school!) or maybe it's

because my first born son Dakota was ADHD bouncing off the walls. Tanner never

even tried to keep up with him...until fish oils.)

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[Guest guest]

I'm so sorry!! I know however when we spoke you were one of the first to

have a child on nutriiveda and nobody I knew had any issues with sleep on it

then -very few even still. I mean this makes sense however because while giving

fish oils later in the day doesn't matter for some kids -if you check the

archives Rothweiler's son would have night screaming (I think you can find

it under night terror, screaming) We all then told her to take her son off the

ProEFA but she refused because back then we all knew each other and the kids and

she saw the incredible surges in the other children and wanted her son to have

that too. And she too figured out she needed to give the dosage in the AM.

So we learned this the hard way that some parents shouldn't give at night...at

least to start until they know.

Glad it's going well now!! Yay!!

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