Re: After school pickup...

[Guest guest]

<< We have Lane in an after school program through the " Y " . It is great

and she LOVES it...never wants to leave when her Father picks her up.

It is not too expensive..$20.00 a week and she goes dierctly from her

classroom to the gym at her school. School is out at 3:45 and she is

picked up at the after school program around 5:00 but kids can stay

until 5:30. They also have a morning program but we do not have her

going to that, she rides the bus to school ( she is still complaining

some about that ). >>

This is the first year that the Y has a program on school grounds.

Previously, they picked the kids up at

school and transported them to the local Y, which isn't too great--just

daycare rooms and an outside play area.

T hey are running afterschool sports programs for cheap this year, which

is great for those parents who

want a more reasonable expense and time commitment.

I'm wondering what time Lane starts school, though, if she gets out at

3:45? Probably not at 8:17 like we do.

Yes, 8:17. " Students should be seated at their desk and instruction

begins promptly at 8:20. " But they are not

allowed next to their classrooms until after the bell rings at 8:17.

Heaven forbid you are playing on the playground

when the bell rings and have to hightail it to your hallway.

Jackie

[Guest guest]

> I'm wondering what time Lane starts school, though, if she gets out

at

> 3:45? Probably not at 8:17 like we do.

> Yes, 8:17. " Students should be seated at their desk and instruction

> begins promptly at 8:20. "

******************** WoW!! That is early for elementary school. Here

each school is a little different but not too far off each other. At

the school Lane attends ( the largest elementary school in town )

supervision of students starts at 8:40. If eating breakfast they can

enter the building then, other wise it is 9:00 and the tardy bell

rings at 9:05. I was wrong on the time school lets out..was

remebering last year, it is 3:30. ******************

[Guest guest]

's elementary school started at 8:00. I guess it was to prepare him

for middle school and high school, both of which start at 7:25. DON'T GET ME

STARTED ON WHY THEY START MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOLS SO EARLY when all the

research shows that adolescents need their beauty rest more than just about

any other group of humans on the planet. They are not wired to get up early.

Sigh. But I suppose I am preaching to the choir, aren't I?

Liz the Fatigued

wrote:

>

>

> > I'm wondering what time Lane starts school, though, if she gets out

> at

> > 3:45? Probably not at 8:17 like we do.

> > Yes, 8:17. " Students should be seated at their desk and instruction

> > begins promptly at 8:20. "

>

> ******************** WoW!! That is early for elementary school. Here

> each school is a little different but not too far off each other. At

> the school Lane attends ( the largest elementary school in town )

> supervision of students starts at 8:40. If eating breakfast they can

> enter the building then, other wise it is 9:00 and the tardy bell

> rings at 9:05. I was wrong on the time school lets out..was

> remebering last year, it is 3:30. ******************

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

<< At

the school Lane attends ( the largest elementary school in town )

supervision of students starts at 8:40. If eating breakfast they can

enter the building then, other wise it is 9:00 and the tardy bell

rings at 9:05. >>

I think 8:45 or 9 is a pretty popular start time for elementary school.

Not only do we seem to be the last school around to get a Y program on

campus, we do not have organized morning

supervision, other than a few playground supervisors that supposedly

keep the kids from maming each other before school.

Our school also does not serve breakfast. I didn't realize other

schools did until I heard about it

from some of my cub scouts.

I forgot to mention a previous situation. The primary grades get out at

2:25 and the upper grades get out at 2:55.

There were multiple notices sent home that said you may not wait with

your child on campus during that half-hour

if you had kids that got out at both times. I could understand that they

don't want unsupervised kids running around

waiting for sibling. But they even instructed parents to wait in the

car with their younger children during that time.

There is a nice shady area by the office out of eye shot of the 5th and

6 th grade rooms, but then we were

evidently being too loud there. They finally loosened up on that last

year. And they don't bug us anymore.

Luckily now DH is home so I drop one kid off, sit down to email for a

few minutes, then go get the other one.

Or, I pick one up, then DH picks up the other. It's only a mile, and

that's actually easier than waiting

a half-hour.

Jackie

[Guest guest]

About breakfast programs in the schools ... I think they are a cop-out for

parents who don't bother to get up or who would rather spend the cereal

money on cigarettes and booze ... it's pretty bad when a parent sends their

child to school hungry and expects someone else to pay for their breakfast

.... pretty bad when charities have to raise money to feed these kids. The

first breakfast programs in our city started in the 2 neighbourhoods that

are known to be impoverished, and have a very high welfare rate. The

children are considered at high risk in that area because of the drug and

alcohol abuse, illiteracy and violence rates in the neighbourhoods. There

are 2 areas in the whole entire province of Ontario that were singled out

for the program that started the breakfast club in our fine city. Really

looks good, doesn't it?

When I've sent mine early to avoid paying a babysitter, I always provided

food, although he always had a full breakfast before leaving home. This past

winter I didn't, and attended for 2 months, so I sent the school a

$100 cheque before the end of the school year, because he did always eat

something when he went, just to try new things (and probably because they

had chocolate in everything). I think I got off cheap. So few people

contribute anything, they just take, take, take.

/ 4makelas@...

Way, Way Up in Northern Ontario

[Guest guest]

<< 's elementary school started at 8:00. I guess it was to

prepare him

for middle school and high school, both of which start at 7:25. DON'T

GET ME

STARTED ON WHY THEY START MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOLS SO EARLY >>

I think our middle school starts about 8:10 or so. We are not allowed

to make a right turn on red on that

intersection between 7:45 and 8:15. But it seems like anytime between

7:30 and 9 that I drive past,

there are groups of students just getting to school. I'll find out soon

enough. I won't have to drive, though,

as you just have to walk past two houses, cross the main street (light),

walk past another 5 or 6 houses

and you're there. Sounds easy. But if DS doesn't improve a great deal

in the next three years, he

won't even be able to manage that on his own. I have faith, though. :-)

Jackie

[Guest guest]

<< About breakfast programs in the schools ... I think they are a

cop-out for

parents who don't bother to get up or who would rather spend the cereal

money on cigarettes and booze ... it's pretty bad when a parent sends

their

child to school hungry and expects someone else to pay for their

breakfast >>

When schools serve breakfast here, kids have to pay a small amount (85

cents?). But if they are among the poorer, they

may qualify for free or reduced meals. That is the same as the lunch,

which are all subsidized by the federal

goverment. It was a program started around WWII to make sure kids got

at least one nutritious hot meal a day.

I don't know exactly what determines whether breakfast is served. It is

far more common in schools with a large

portion of students on free/reduced lunch program. We have about 11%

of our school's students that qualify

for free/reduced meals. But there are other schools in our district

(5-6 miles away) where over 90% qualify.

They also get additional funds for general operation. They need it,

too, because their students struggle with

just getting to school.

Jackie

[Guest guest]

>

> When schools serve breakfast here, kids have to pay a small amount

(85

> cents?). But if they are among the poorer, they

> may qualify for free or reduced meal.

**************************** Same here, breakfast is $1.00 and lunch

is $2.00......I hate it but I do send my daughter to school in the

morning without breakfast and she does not get there early enough to

have breakfast at school. It is not by choice though, she refuses to

eat anything in the morning. I have even tried cookies,etc. thinking

it was better than nothing at all but she won't even eat them. ONe

morning I talked her into a cookie when I was driving her to school

and she gagged in the backseat the whole way. It was not a huge

worry ( no breakfast ) because they always had a mid-morning snack

but they have discontinued that now so she gets nothing until lunch.

A few weeks ago she was giving most of her lunch to other kids, even

though it was things she likes to eat. She must be getting enough

nutrition though as she is not a skinny-minnie.....four foot two

inches tall and 63 pounds. A good height and weight.

**********************************************

[Guest guest]

I had to go search for the original message to this thread. Right now I am

sitting stunned at the comment that was made about school breakfast

programs. I can't believe you have the nerve to lump everyone together say

that those who participate in the program would rather spend their money on

cigarettes and booze then provide food for their children. I won't dispute

that there are some out there but you managed to give everyone who

participates in the program a very bad reputation. Am I offended? Yes I am

offended. Why am I offended? Because my 4yr old participates in the

breakfast program and yes I pay for it. Last year I had 2 other's that

participated in it? Why? Because they didn't want to eat at home, and for

the record they don't serve everything chocolate.

I still can't believe what I read. I guess I might as well add that I am

among the " poorer " in this county because all my kids get reduced lunches.

Wow, it's amazing how low I feel right now.

MISSY

SAHM to some special kids!!!

Excuse Me While I Go

Raise Tomorrow's Future.

RE: ( ) After school pickup...

>

>

> << About breakfast programs in the schools ... I think they are a

> cop-out for

> parents who don't bother to get up or who would rather spend the cereal

> money on cigarettes and booze ... it's pretty bad when a parent sends

> their

> child to school hungry and expects someone else to pay for their

> breakfast >>

>

>

> When schools serve breakfast here, kids have to pay a small amount (85

> cents?). But if they are among the poorer, they

> may qualify for free or reduced meals. That is the same as the lunch,

> which are all subsidized by the federal

> goverment. It was a program started around WWII to make sure kids got

> at least one nutritious hot meal a day.

> I don't know exactly what determines whether breakfast is served. It is

> far more common in schools with a large

> portion of students on free/reduced lunch program. We have about 11%

> of our school's students that qualify

> for free/reduced meals. But there are other schools in our district

> (5-6 miles away) where over 90% qualify.

> They also get additional funds for general operation. They need it,

> too, because their students struggle with

> just getting to school.

>

> Jackie

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

<< About breakfast programs in the schools ... I think they are a

cop-out for

parents who don't bother to get up or who would rather spend the cereal

money on cigarettes and booze ... it's pretty bad when a parent sends

their

child to school hungry and expects someone else to pay for their

breakfast >>

While my children don't receive the school breakfast, and eat at home, my

youngest ALWAYS eats breakfast again at daycare. She loves her food. :-)

In my youngest sons' school, the children that eat breakfast get off the bus

first, while the others wait on the bus. (It is the largest primary school

in NY). I chose afternoon kindergarten to avoid this, but if we had morning

kindergarten, I'd choose the breakfast just so my child didn't have to sit

on the bus and wait.

I have a very good friend, who has three young children, she herself has a

disability, and her oldest child, like mine, has Asperger's. Her hubby

works night and day in a job that doesn't pay enough for them to buy cool

clothes and eat out. And her son is part of the reduced meals program. I'm

glad she doesn't let her pride stop her from accepting this needed program.

This also allows her son the needed opportunity to " socialize " with the

other children. Their checks barely make it through the month to pay all of

the bills.

She gets up early every morning, and does her best, having a disability, to

tend to three children alone. It's so nice to know there are options such

as reduced meals, to give her the helping hand she truly needs.

Sometimes it's just the way it is. I was one of those children on the

reduced meals when I was young also. I now have my own business, but I grew

up in a low income housing neighborhood. My mom and dad had 6 kids, and

were trying to work, put themselves through college, and take care of us

too. They were successful, and put 5 of us through college, but they could

not have done it without reduced meals, camps, etc. I don't know where I'd

be today if it weren't for these programs, but I'm grateful they're there

for those who truly need it. :-)

I'm sure there are people who abuse it, as there are in everything, but

there are also many who need, and benefit, from these programs.

Just my 2 cents.

[Guest guest]

Missy, I'm sorry that you misunderstood my post. The breakfast programs in

this city were first started in the neighbourhoods that have the most social

problems, mostly welfare and addictions, and the poorest parenting. These

people take advantage of the system, the ones who are on Welfare all their

lives.

I did not say that those who pay for breakfast programs are abusing the

system. I mentioned that my own son went and that I paid. For a long time he

went for social reasons, and then when I was working I sent him there to

avoid getting an early morning sitter for half an hour.

I was surprised to read that there is a scale for determining how much you

pay. It is good that they are charging (by that I mean that people won't see

it as another freebie) but here you are expected to donate the food and

juices. I paid because he went for a while without bringing any food ...

Sorry that my MIL was just here and I am finishing this email much later. I

didn't mean to upset anyone.

/ 4makelas@...

Way, Way Up in Northern Ontario

RE: ( ) After school pickup...

>

>

> >

> >

> > << About breakfast programs in the schools ... I think they are a

> > cop-out for

> > parents who don't bother to get up or who would rather spend the cereal

> > money on cigarettes and booze ... it's pretty bad when a parent sends

> > their

> > child to school hungry and expects someone else to pay for their

> > breakfast >>

> >

> >

> > When schools serve breakfast here, kids have to pay a small amount (85

> > cents?). But if they are among the poorer, they

> > may qualify for free or reduced meals. That is the same as the lunch,

> > which are all subsidized by the federal

> > goverment. It was a program started around WWII to make sure kids got

> > at least one nutritious hot meal a day.

> > I don't know exactly what determines whether breakfast is served. It is

> > far more common in schools with a large

> > portion of students on free/reduced lunch program. We have about 11%

> > of our school's students that qualify

> > for free/reduced meals. But there are other schools in our district

> > (5-6 miles away) where over 90% qualify.

> > They also get additional funds for general operation. They need it,

> > too, because their students struggle with

> > just getting to school.

> >

> > Jackie

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

, I don't think that I inferred that there is something wrong with

parents taking advantage of a reduced-fee program. I was commenting that

here in those neighbourhoods it is FREE and many take advantage of it, not

feeding their children anything before sending them to school, and spending

the money selfishly on themselves. It is a real problem here. I didn't know

about the sliding scale that some places have. There is certainly nothing

wrong with that at all. I think it's a good idea.

At our school here, when there are school outings that cost money, all a

parent has to do is ask and the school funds will pay for their child. There

is no assumption that everyone has money. Naturally those on welfare can't

afford these " extras " . Breakfast, I am sorry to have to say, isn't an

" Extra " !.

/ 4makelas@...

Way, Way Up in Northern Ontario

----- Original Message -----

From: " Houghton " <lisah@...>

I'm

> glad she doesn't let her pride stop her from accepting this needed

program.

> This also allows her son the needed opportunity to " socialize " with the

> other children. Their checks barely make it through the month to pay all

of

> the bills.

[Guest guest]

, I think it just rubbed me wrong way. For the past 2yrs my kids got

free meals at school and I hated being lumped in with the group you

mentioned.

The free/reduced meal program was started in the schools where more kids

live below the poverty level to make sure they got a nutritious meal each

day. It is based on an income scale here as well and we fall on the reduced

meal side. Surprisingly enough, for those of you in the states, the very

people who defend our country live at or below the poverty level. I find

that pretty sad. Most enlisted members families are not only getting

free/reduced lunches but ar also on WIC and many are on foodstamps. Very

sad.

MISSY

SAHM to some special kids!!!

Excuse Me While I Go

Raise Tomorrow's Future.

RE: ( ) After school pickup...

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > << About breakfast programs in the schools ... I think they are a

> > > cop-out for

> > > parents who don't bother to get up or who would rather spend the

cereal

> > > money on cigarettes and booze ... it's pretty bad when a parent sends

> > > their

> > > child to school hungry and expects someone else to pay for their

> > > breakfast >>

> > >

> > >

> > > When schools serve breakfast here, kids have to pay a small amount (85

> > > cents?). But if they are among the poorer, they

> > > may qualify for free or reduced meals. That is the same as the lunch,

> > > which are all subsidized by the federal

> > > goverment. It was a program started around WWII to make sure kids got

> > > at least one nutritious hot meal a day.

> > > I don't know exactly what determines whether breakfast is served. It

is

> > > far more common in schools with a large

> > > portion of students on free/reduced lunch program. We have about 11%

> > > of our school's students that qualify

> > > for free/reduced meals. But there are other schools in our district

> > > (5-6 miles away) where over 90% qualify.

> > > They also get additional funds for general operation. They need it,

> > > too, because their students struggle with

> > > just getting to school.

> > >

> > > Jackie

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

We have the free/reduced meal programs also. I live check-to-check

and wish we could qualify; but since we live with my mom (who has $$

but just provides the roof over our heads, etc.) and you have to

list " all " occupants income, we can't qualify. But with

being such a picky/limited eater, he only chooses the fries/milk or

pizza/fries/milk to eat anyway at lunch time; so that still adds up

to less than the regular school lunch cost.

At the beginning of this year, my twins' English teacher (1st period)

asked the class how many kids eat breakfast. The twins said hardly

anyone raised their hands (including mine); so she provides things in

class that the kids can buy for 50cents or so. The money goes to buy

more, she's not making anything off it.

> , I think it just rubbed me wrong way. For the past 2yrs my

kids got

> free meals at school and I hated being lumped in with the group you

> mentioned.

> The free/reduced meal program was started in the schools where more

kids

> live below the poverty level to make sure they got a nutritious

meal each

> day. It is based on an income scale here as well and we fall on the

> >

[Guest guest]

,

Where do you live? That is super cheap. Years ago I had Hunter at the

Y and even back then it was $50 per week for after school(up to 3

hours). Also I've researched thjis area I'm at 95% sure that we do

not have any such summer programs. I am thrilled that your area

offers these types of things. I wonder how I could get interest in

starting similiar programs here.

a

[Guest guest]

Schools(elementary) here are split into A and B. A schools start at 8

officially. Our bus runs at 7:35. And kids are usually brought into

class at 7:45. They get out at 2:30. B schools are from 8:30 to 3.

a

I'm wondering what time Lane starts school, though, if she gets out

at

> 3:45? Probably not at 8:17 like we do.

> Yes, 8:17. " Students should be seated at their desk and instruction

> begins promptly at 8:20. " But they are not

> allowed next to their classrooms until after the bell rings at 8:17.

> Heaven forbid you are playing on the playground

> when the bell rings and have to hightail it to your hallway.

>

> Jackie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Highschool busses run before 7 am here. Yikes! But middle school is

after elementary. It's more like 9. Strange. a

> 's elementary school started at 8:00.

[Guest guest]

The summer program sounds really nice - I have not heard of one

here. Does the YMCA do the summer program?

Roxanna

> This program does help her with social skills and they do

> crafts,games,read and they will also help kids with their homework.

> They also have x amount of scholarships they give out for the

> program..we did not recieve one for the after school but did have

one

> for the past summer program three days a week. I have been

aproached

> with an interest in giving her a full 5 day a week scholarship this

> coming summer..I said YOU BET!! It is held at our local handicapped

> school and they have wonderful classrooms,chef on staff to provide

> breakfast,lunch and snack,a great gym with a rubberized floor and a

> swimming pool. I think it was $80.00 a week but we did not have to

> pay anything!

> This might be something that some of you might want to look into in

> your area.

>

>

[Guest guest]

It does make you wonder. I've said before that Royce eats his lunch

at 10 AM. Unbelievable to me! I don't get the time thing with

middle and high school either. I think it's one of those things like

why do doctor's in training work so many hours that they are sleep

deprived, yet we expect them to save our lives and make fast and good

decisions about our health? lol. I don't get that one either....

Roxanna

> 's elementary school started at 8:00. I guess it was to

prepare him

> for middle school and high school, both of which start at 7:25.

DON'T GET ME

> STARTED ON WHY THEY START MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOLS SO EARLY when all

the

> research shows that adolescents need their beauty rest more than

just about

> any other group of humans on the planet. They are not wired to get

up early.

> Sigh. But I suppose I am preaching to the choir, aren't I?

> Liz the Fatigued

>

[Guest guest]

Reece, 7 yo, does not usually eat anything for breakfast either. I

have stuff available and he has time to eat but he refuses.

Sometimes he might eat a pop tart. His class does have a mid morning

snack time so I think he eats then.

I was never a morning person myself so I did not always eat breakfast

either. It was usually 10:30 when my senses would kick in and decide

it was time to eat something.

Roxanna

Same here, breakfast is $1.00 and lunch

> is $2.00......I hate it but I do send my daughter to school in the

> morning without breakfast and she does not get there early enough

to

> have breakfast at school. It is not by choice though, she refuses

to

> eat anything in the morning. I have even tried cookies,etc.

thinking

> it was better than nothing at all but she won't even eat them. ONe

> morning I talked her into a cookie when I was driving her to school

> and she gagged in the backseat the whole way. It was not a huge

> worry ( no breakfast ) because they always had a mid-morning snack

> but they have discontinued that now so she gets nothing until

lunch.

>

[Guest guest]

I tend to think that the people who do abuse the system are the ones

we get to hear about the most. I think that happens in so many areas

of life - one bad apple and everyone gets a bad rap. I don't believe

we have a breakfast program at our school here but of course, there

is a reduced lunch fee program.

Roxanna

>

> I'm sure there are people who abuse it, as there are in everything,

but

> there are also many who need, and benefit, from these programs.

>

>

>

> Just my 2 cents.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don'tlike eating breakfast either Roxanna. My 4yr old goes to breakfast at

school because all the preK kids go. whether they bring something from home

or eat the school's food they have to eat something.

MISSY

SAHM to some special kids!!!

Excuse Me While I Go

Raise Tomorrow's Future.

Re: ( ) After school pickup...

> Reece, 7 yo, does not usually eat anything for breakfast either. I

> have stuff available and he has time to eat but he refuses.

> Sometimes he might eat a pop tart. His class does have a mid morning

> snack time so I think he eats then.

>

> I was never a morning person myself so I did not always eat breakfast

> either. It was usually 10:30 when my senses would kick in and decide

> it was time to eat something.

>

> Roxanna

>

>

> Same here, breakfast is $1.00 and lunch

> > is $2.00......I hate it but I do send my daughter to school in the

> > morning without breakfast and she does not get there early enough

> to

> > have breakfast at school. It is not by choice though, she refuses

> to

> > eat anything in the morning. I have even tried cookies,etc.

> thinking

> > it was better than nothing at all but she won't even eat them. ONe

> > morning I talked her into a cookie when I was driving her to school

> > and she gagged in the backseat the whole way. It was not a huge

> > worry ( no breakfast ) because they always had a mid-morning snack

> > but they have discontinued that now so she gets nothing until

> lunch.

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Breakfast is like lunch here. Most pay. Some get it reduced or even

free due to income. I prefer to feed my kids before school s I don't

think they get adequate eating time for breakfast. Besides it'd cost

me several extra dollars per week. Lunch varies. We get a menu. So

Hunter decides on packing or buying. Wednesdays are pizza days.

Sometimes it's from Pizza Hut. sure different than the slop we got as

kids. paula

> About breakfast programs in the schools ... I think they are a cop-

out for

> parents who don't bother to get up or who would rather spend the

cereal

> money on cigarettes and booze ... it's pretty bad when a parent

sends their

> child to school hungry and expects someone else to pay for their

breakfast

[Guest guest]

If it becomes a problem find a dr willing to write a note saying she

has to have a mid morning snack. Can and has been done. You'd need to

provide it though. Just a thought. I've had to send w/o

breakfast because he only eats when he wants. He's no skinny minnie

either. BTW Lane and Hunter are very close in size! He's 4 ft 1 1/2in

and 62pounds at age 10.

a

I hate it but I do send my daughter to school in the

> morning without breakfast and she does not get there early enough

to

> have breakfast at school. It is not by choice though, she refuses

to

> eat anything in the morning. I have even tried cookies,etc.

thinking

> it was better than nothing at all but she won't even eat them. ONe

> morning I talked her into a cookie when I was driving her to school

> and she gagged in the backseat the whole way. It was not a huge

> worry ( no breakfast ) because they always had a mid-morning snack

> but they have discontinued that now so she gets nothing until

lunch.

> A few weeks ago she was giving most of her lunch to other kids,

even

> though it was things she likes to eat. She must be getting enough

> nutrition though as she is not a skinny-minnie.....four foot two

> inches tall and 63 pounds. A good height and weight.

>

> **********************************************

[Guest guest]

Missy,

Please remember the poster is not from the U.S. Atleast I'm pretty

sure the original poster was outside the U.S. Anyways I guess my

point is simply that it sounded to me as if things were different

there than from where I am out, thus giving her a very different view

point. Here breakfast is the norm. Some buy, some do not. It's true

that in general people whom qualify for reduced or free items are

more prone to using this option. Only makes sense. And there is

nothing wrong w/ qualifying. Lot's of hard workers qualify. Sadly

some people abuse these types of programs. And that is wrong. Help

should be reserved for those whom can't help themselves ot those

willing to work hard, but whom still need a helping hand. I grew up

poor, but my parents worked hard. I'm sorry it hurt your feelings. I

don't think that it was intentional though.

Hugs, a

PS I don't think any of the breakfast items are chocolate here.

> I had to go search for the original message to this thread. Right

now I am

> sitting stunned at the comment that was made about school breakfast

> programs.