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What is the actual legal custody arrangement you have with Lou

Salli? This sounds just too much to bear. You've been playing so

nicely, and it's just not fair.

> Tonight was just awful.

>

> Bear with me.

>

> Sophie had a softball game. Last week Sophie's softball team had

their pictures taken; they got their uniforms the same day. When

Sophie arrived home, she did not have a hat. I wondered about it.

>

> I didn't know that Sophie had a softball game until this morning.

Apparently the coach gave all the game details to Lou who did not

bother to let me know about it. When I objected, he said that I

never told him anything unless he asked. I have been calling him

every morning to let him know what is going on but apparently that is

not enough. I do not think that most divorced or nearly divorced

parents do this; I shall stop doing it in the future for apparently

it is not appreciated.

>

> No hat ever materialized. Lou told me to please look for it. But

I did not think it had ever come into the house for I had never seen

it. However I looked for it in all the places that it might be

without ever finding it.

>

> Lou was furious about this. And then we had the discussion about

the soccer pictures. He took Sophie to her softball game and he took

Robbie and Putter. He told me that he would bring Robbie and Putter

home in the middle of the game so that he could watch Sophie play.

>

> As he drove off, Sophie later told me that he said that I was too

lazy to bother looking for the hat.

>

> Her game started at 6 pm. I expected Robbie and Putter around

6:30. They did not arrive. I figured that he was keeping them

throughout the game, but we had parted on such very hostile terms

that I worried. Thoughts of kidnapping entered my head. I didn't

really believe them, but I could not relax.

>

> They were not home at 8 p.m. I called Lou's apartment and got his

answering machine. They were not home at 9 p.m. All I could do was

pace the floors and wonder what I should do. I called Sophie's coach

and found that Sophie was at the game and that it had ended at 8:20.

That was not too long ago. But by 9:15, I was really frightened and

worried.

>

> I told Enrique and to call me if the three younger kids

ever got home. I got in my car and I drove to Lou's apartment. On

the way, at every light, I called on my cell phone. No answering

machine picked up; the phone just rang and rang. His answering

machine always picks up.. So I knew he was there.

>

> I pulled into his driveway, and knocked loudly on the door. I had

my cell phone set at 911 in case he turned violent. I told him I

wanted the kids now and why hadn't he informed me that he was taking

them to his place. " Well, " he said, nastily, " I don't have a cell

phone. "

>

> But they had been at his place for over an hour, Sophie later

confirmed. He did it to torture me. That is the only explanation.

>

> I told him that I was taking the kids home now. He said that they

were taking a bath. I started to go and get them but he told me that

I was not welcome. So I waited.

>

> They all came down and I drove off with them. Sophie said that Lou

had told them that they would come over to his house to watch a movie

and take a bath. She had no idea that I did not konw.

>

> I have them all safe at home again, but I wonder just how long he

had planned to keep them at his apartment, torturing me as I paced

the floors at home and waited.

>

> I call my lawyer tomorrow. If I am not welcome in his apartment, I

assure you all that he is not welcome in my house.

>

> Salli

>

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the man is truly psycho. i hope you can get a restraining order against him

before he really hurts someone

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He stoops to new lows. Since he cannot play nicely then he shall

have to be limited to following the letter of the law spelled out in

the legal papers regarding his visitation. What a long long night

for you. ((hugs))

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Wouldn't it be considered kidnapping if you didn't know where they were?

ellen

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Okay, the pictures were petty and childish but keeping the kids for

that long and not calling, that's abusive. Even if he'd never kidnap

them, he's trying to hurt you. He's trying to control your actions

even though he's not living in your house.

I would definitely talk to the lawyer about it. I don't know the laws

but I wonder if you could file charges against him for harrassment or

something? A police report about the incident would be good to take

to court if you have to push for supervised visits. Would he stop and

think about being such an ass again if you told him you're going to

call the cops next time he tries something like this?

What an ass.

(((((Salli)))))

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Wouldn't it be considered kidnapping if you didn't know where they were?

ellen

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Okay, the pictures were petty and childish but keeping the kids for

that long and not calling, that's abusive. Even if he'd never kidnap

them, he's trying to hurt you. He's trying to control your actions

even though he's not living in your house.

I would definitely talk to the lawyer about it. I don't know the laws

but I wonder if you could file charges against him for harrassment or

something? A police report about the incident would be good to take

to court if you have to push for supervised visits. Would he stop and

think about being such an ass again if you told him you're going to

call the cops next time he tries something like this?

What an ass.

(((((Salli)))))

Tina

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Your post bought tears to my eyes. I do not know the background of Lou so I am

sorry if I step out of line however he sounds dangerous and he also sounds like

he will use the children to do hateful things to you regarding of the effects

that it has on the children. Is there any way that his rights can be limited so

that he can not be alone with the children?

Extra hugs to you and those beautiful children.

Warm Regards

& ASD 11/25/00 in Maine

Tortured

Tonight was just awful.

Bear with me.

Sophie had a softball game. Last week Sophie's softball team had their

pictures taken; they got their uniforms the same day. When Sophie arrived home,

she did not have a hat. I wondered about it.

I didn't know that Sophie had a softball game until this morning. Apparently

the coach gave all the game details to Lou who did not bother to let me know

about it. When I objected, he said that I never told him anything unless he

asked. I have been calling him every morning to let him know what is going on

but apparently that is not enough. I do not think that most divorced or nearly

divorced parents do this; I shall stop doing it in the future for apparently it

is not appreciated.

No hat ever materialized. Lou told me to please look for it. But I did not

think it had ever come into the house for I had never seen it. However I looked

for it in all the places that it might be without ever finding it.

Lou was furious about this. And then we had the discussion about the soccer

pictures. He took Sophie to her softball game and he took Robbie and Putter. He

told me that he would bring Robbie and Putter home in the middle of the game so

that he could watch Sophie play.

As he drove off, Sophie later told me that he said that I was too lazy to

bother looking for the hat.

Her game started at 6 pm. I expected Robbie and Putter around 6:30. They did

not arrive. I figured that he was keeping them throughout the game, but we had

parted on such very hostile terms that I worried. Thoughts of kidnapping

entered my head. I didn't really believe them, but I could not relax.

They were not home at 8 p.m. I called Lou's apartment and got his answering

machine. They were not home at 9 p.m. All I could do was pace the floors and

wonder what I should do. I called Sophie's coach and found that Sophie was at

the game and that it had ended at 8:20. That was not too long ago. But by

9:15, I was really frightened and worried.

I told Enrique and to call me if the three younger kids ever got

home. I got in my car and I drove to Lou's apartment. On the way, at every

light, I called on my cell phone. No answering machine picked up; the phone

just rang and rang. His answering machine always picks up.. So I knew he was

there.

I pulled into his driveway, and knocked loudly on the door. I had my cell

phone set at 911 in case he turned violent. I told him I wanted the kids now

and why hadn't he informed me that he was taking them to his place. " Well, " he

said, nastily, " I don't have a cell phone. "

But they had been at his place for over an hour, Sophie later confirmed. He

did it to torture me. That is the only explanation.

I told him that I was taking the kids home now. He said that they were taking

a bath. I started to go and get them but he told me that I was not welcome. So

I waited.

They all came down and I drove off with them. Sophie said that Lou had told

them that they would come over to his house to watch a movie and take a bath.

She had no idea that I did not konw.

I have them all safe at home again, but I wonder just how long he had planned

to keep them at his apartment, torturing me as I paced the floors at home and

waited.

I call my lawyer tomorrow. If I am not welcome in his apartment, I assure you

all that he is not welcome in my house.

Salli

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demented bastard! you poor children. lou needs psychiatric help - is he

getting any?

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Sebastian, 11 kinda quirky(NT)

Rowan, 6 extra quirky (ASD)

married to and living in Northern Ontario

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YOU are not welcome in HIS apartment? After HE sat strumming his guitar

and having his FEET WASHED in your dining room during Lent?

YOU are not welcome in HIS apartment when HE comes into your home and STEALS

FOOD?

You allow him broad and unlimited extremely generous time with his children,

and he keeps them late without a word to torture you?

Do call your lawyer. It is time to stop this man. Granted, he may be aspie

and unaware of social crap, but not all aspies are mean spirited,

vindictive, and spiteful. Aspies can be good or bad people just like any

one else. You can't let it influence your view of him any longer. He's

just plain an evil person.

(((hugs)))

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> But they had been at his place for over an hour, Sophie later

> confirmed. He did it to torture me. That is the only explanation.

Why does this continue to amaze me? Isn't there anything you can do

legally...on the grounds of emotional abuse? Violation of visitation

agreements? At least get more structured visitation based on his

being a convicted felon with no apparent remorse and showing signs of

being emotionally unstable? I mean, I can see depositions from all

kinds of people who have seen first-hand how abusive he is--just last

week he ripped apart the school folks, right? Are you keeping track

of this all--if not, just go thru the archives here...you've got

names, dates, and posts outlining in detail about the stealing, etc...

> I told him that I was taking the kids home now. He said that they

> were taking a bath. I started to go and get them but he told me

> that I was not welcome. So I waited. >

That is so unreal. He wanders loose in your house, stealing food,

telling the kids all about how *you* kicked him out, and then treats

you like this at his house? Next time he came to my house, I'd be

sure he doesn't get past the porch. What a...

Please call your attorney...maybe an abuse hotline for ideas on

handling potential kidnapping actions? Just from the standpoint of

what this is doing to the kids emotionally, this has to be addressed

by the judge who oversees your divorce (are you divorced yet? I

forget where all that is)...I think the judge should REQUIRE Lou to

get psychological help...can your lawyer request that?

Raena

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> But they had been at his place for over an hour, Sophie later

> confirmed. He did it to torture me. That is the only explanation.

Why does this continue to amaze me? Isn't there anything you can do

legally...on the grounds of emotional abuse? Violation of visitation

agreements? At least get more structured visitation based on his

being a convicted felon with no apparent remorse and showing signs of

being emotionally unstable? I mean, I can see depositions from all

kinds of people who have seen first-hand how abusive he is--just last

week he ripped apart the school folks, right? Are you keeping track

of this all--if not, just go thru the archives here...you've got

names, dates, and posts outlining in detail about the stealing, etc...

> I told him that I was taking the kids home now. He said that they

> were taking a bath. I started to go and get them but he told me

> that I was not welcome. So I waited. >

That is so unreal. He wanders loose in your house, stealing food,

telling the kids all about how *you* kicked him out, and then treats

you like this at his house? Next time he came to my house, I'd be

sure he doesn't get past the porch. What a...

Please call your attorney...maybe an abuse hotline for ideas on

handling potential kidnapping actions? Just from the standpoint of

what this is doing to the kids emotionally, this has to be addressed

by the judge who oversees your divorce (are you divorced yet? I

forget where all that is)...I think the judge should REQUIRE Lou to

get psychological help...can your lawyer request that?

Raena

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> Tonight was just awful.

>

>

> I call my lawyer tomorrow. If I am not welcome in his apartment, I

assure you all that he is not welcome in my house.

>

> Salli

>

>

OMG Salli. Lou is a complete and utter prick. That's it. I'm getting

the next flight over and I'll kick his scrawny ass for you.

((((((((((Salli)))))))))

Ali xx

mum to Lyndsey,7,(NT)

and Andy,5,(ASD)

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> Tonight was just awful.

>

>

> I call my lawyer tomorrow. If I am not welcome in his apartment, I

assure you all that he is not welcome in my house.

>

> Salli

>

>

OMG Salli. Lou is a complete and utter prick. That's it. I'm getting

the next flight over and I'll kick his scrawny ass for you.

((((((((((Salli)))))))))

Ali xx

mum to Lyndsey,7,(NT)

and Andy,5,(ASD)

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> Tonight was just awful.

>

>

> I call my lawyer tomorrow. If I am not welcome in his apartment, I

assure you all that he is not welcome in my house.

>

> Salli

>

>

OMG Salli. Lou is a complete and utter prick. That's it. I'm getting

the next flight over and I'll kick his scrawny ass for you.

((((((((((Salli)))))))))

Ali xx

mum to Lyndsey,7,(NT)

and Andy,5,(ASD)

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I talked with my lawyer's aide this morning (for an hour and a half!) She

was very helpful and relayed a message to my lawyer who said simply, " Don't

let him have the kids. "

The aide pointed out that that was my legal right but might not help things.

We spent that hour and a half discussing all the possible approaches; she

said she was in favor of communication if at all possible and I must say I

am too. But it is hard to communicate with Lou.

Bolstered by the aide's ideas, I called Lou and told him that I objected to

last night. I told him that I had been on the phone with my lawyer and that

he had violated the visitation agreement. He tried to tell me that it had

all been Robbie and Putter's idea; I told him that that was fine but I would

like a phone call. I can be flexible. He said that he could not call

because Putter wanted to use the computer. I tried to call and the phone

just rang and rang; apparently he is online again and he has a dial up

connection. I had asked Sophie why he did not answer the phone and she said

it never rang which led me to believe that he had unplugged it or turned it

off. Apparently Mr. Putt was just online which I can believe. BUT he could

have made a quick phone call before letting Putter online. It does however

look less sinister like that, and I can imagine Putter screaming, " NO! NO!

Computer! Go away, Daddy! " Autistic tantrums are not pretty but the call

could have been very brief and I would have got the point pretty easily.

It remains my personal opinion that this was a planned bit of Salli Torture.

But it might have been cluelessness.

He tried to complain to me about taking the kids for Christmas to my

parents' house. I said I was not going to discuss that and hung. He has a

way of taking us so far off track that it is impossible to get to the

original topic.

The phone rang several times and I ignored it. Finally I heard his voice

over the answering machine, " I just want to know if I should take the big

boys for their work out? "

Well, perhaps. So I picked up the phone and told him that Enrique was not

feeling well enough but would go. Then he tried to return to the

topic of Christmas and I hung up.

He called again. I ignored it. Then I heard his voice saying something

like, " Look, I guess you just want to be treated with some respect and to

know what is going on. That's what I want to... "

This sounded promising so I picked up. He apologized, and said that he

would notifiy me as soon as possible in the future. I actually do believe

him. Remember nothing like this has happened before in almost four years of

separation. I think that this probably will not happen again. We were

perfectly civil with each other when we hung up the last time.

Salli

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I talked with my lawyer's aide this morning (for an hour and a half!) She

was very helpful and relayed a message to my lawyer who said simply, " Don't

let him have the kids. "

The aide pointed out that that was my legal right but might not help things.

We spent that hour and a half discussing all the possible approaches; she

said she was in favor of communication if at all possible and I must say I

am too. But it is hard to communicate with Lou.

Bolstered by the aide's ideas, I called Lou and told him that I objected to

last night. I told him that I had been on the phone with my lawyer and that

he had violated the visitation agreement. He tried to tell me that it had

all been Robbie and Putter's idea; I told him that that was fine but I would

like a phone call. I can be flexible. He said that he could not call

because Putter wanted to use the computer. I tried to call and the phone

just rang and rang; apparently he is online again and he has a dial up

connection. I had asked Sophie why he did not answer the phone and she said

it never rang which led me to believe that he had unplugged it or turned it

off. Apparently Mr. Putt was just online which I can believe. BUT he could

have made a quick phone call before letting Putter online. It does however

look less sinister like that, and I can imagine Putter screaming, " NO! NO!

Computer! Go away, Daddy! " Autistic tantrums are not pretty but the call

could have been very brief and I would have got the point pretty easily.

It remains my personal opinion that this was a planned bit of Salli Torture.

But it might have been cluelessness.

He tried to complain to me about taking the kids for Christmas to my

parents' house. I said I was not going to discuss that and hung. He has a

way of taking us so far off track that it is impossible to get to the

original topic.

The phone rang several times and I ignored it. Finally I heard his voice

over the answering machine, " I just want to know if I should take the big

boys for their work out? "

Well, perhaps. So I picked up the phone and told him that Enrique was not

feeling well enough but would go. Then he tried to return to the

topic of Christmas and I hung up.

He called again. I ignored it. Then I heard his voice saying something

like, " Look, I guess you just want to be treated with some respect and to

know what is going on. That's what I want to... "

This sounded promising so I picked up. He apologized, and said that he

would notifiy me as soon as possible in the future. I actually do believe

him. Remember nothing like this has happened before in almost four years of

separation. I think that this probably will not happen again. We were

perfectly civil with each other when we hung up the last time.

Salli

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Interesting how Lou became more conciliatory when you ignored him.

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Interesting how Lou became more conciliatory when you ignored him.

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Sounds like he realized his little manipulation game was about to

backfire and decided to weasel back into good (or acceptable) graces.

And I know you know him better than I do Salli, but if you give him

an inch, he's gonna run a mile. He doesn't sound good for the kids

or you, so maybe it's time to adhere to a more set and strict

visitation schedule and just get him out of your life. Just because

he's their father does not entitle him to maintain any power over

you. He doesn't deserve any sympathy.

IMO

, who's thanking my LUCKY STARS I don't have to deal with that

ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!

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Sounds like he realized his little manipulation game was about to

backfire and decided to weasel back into good (or acceptable) graces.

And I know you know him better than I do Salli, but if you give him

an inch, he's gonna run a mile. He doesn't sound good for the kids

or you, so maybe it's time to adhere to a more set and strict

visitation schedule and just get him out of your life. Just because

he's their father does not entitle him to maintain any power over

you. He doesn't deserve any sympathy.

IMO

, who's thanking my LUCKY STARS I don't have to deal with that

ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!

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Sounds like he realized his little manipulation game was about to

backfire and decided to weasel back into good (or acceptable) graces.

And I know you know him better than I do Salli, but if you give him

an inch, he's gonna run a mile. He doesn't sound good for the kids

or you, so maybe it's time to adhere to a more set and strict

visitation schedule and just get him out of your life. Just because

he's their father does not entitle him to maintain any power over

you. He doesn't deserve any sympathy.

IMO

, who's thanking my LUCKY STARS I don't have to deal with that

ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!

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> OMG Salli. Lou is a complete and utter prick. That's

> it. I'm getting

> the next flight over and I'll kick his scrawny ass

> for you.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

Can I come too? We can take turns gving him a good

whuppin'. It's outrageous the way he treats you. I

hope your lawyer can help.

Hang in there hon.

Tuna

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>>>>>>>>>>

>

> OMG Salli. Lou is a complete and utter prick. That's

> it. I'm getting

> the next flight over and I'll kick his scrawny ass

> for you.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

Can I come too? We can take turns gving him a good

whuppin'. It's outrageous the way he treats you. I

hope your lawyer can help.

Hang in there hon.

Tuna

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>maybe it's time to adhere to a more set and strict

> visitation schedule and just get him out of your life.

I thought of suggesting that...but I wonder if Lou wouldn't use that as an

excuse to himself to behave more abominably?

Jacquie

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