Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 I live in Staunton, VA. We have a Whole Foods market about 40 min. away. There is a 's that just opened up about 20 minutes away. I'll start to look into it. Jeni Lynn (gastrointestinal problems) SCD day 1 Re: Fish > >Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:51:12 -0000 > > > >Dear , > > > >You are correct! I got my vitamin forms backwards. I just checked > >Dr. Megson's website with her research paper postings. Vitamin > >palmitate is the form that my kids cannot absorb. They need the kind > >in cod liver oil which is the natural, unsaturated cis form. Good > >eye! Thanks for helping get it straight. > > > >As far as the fish thing goes. I was stating Dr. ph Mercola's > >findings (which I trust). In his book, Dr. Mercola's Total Health > >Program he writes: " Sadly in the last 50 years, the oceans and lakes > >have become polluted with hundreds of millions of tons of mercury > >primarily from burning coal for electricity. . . . many health > >experts, myself included, are now warning against any type of fish, > >as nearly all have toxic levels of mercury . . . . Fish consumption > >is particularly hazardous to pregnant women and children as the > >mercury can cause birth defects and harm the sensitive physiology of > >children. " He also states: " My best advice in descending order is: 1) > >avoid eating any fish unless you know it has been laboratory-tested > >and proven to be free from mercury and other toxins. 2) If you do eat > >fish that you are not sure has been laboratory-tested and proven to > >be free of toxins, at least choose from among the following six > >safest fish:* wild pacific salmon* tilapia* croaker* sardines* > >haddock* summer flounder. 3) Eat fish sustainably harvested from the > >wild (such as the toxin-free Vital Choice salmon . . .), not " farm > >raised. " > > > >Again, this is Dr. Mercola's standpoint. Everyone has to make their > >own decisions about what they feel comfortable with. Anyway, this is > >some of the information that I have been able to get my hands on. I > >hope you find it helpful. > > > >Agape to you, > >Jeni Lynn > > > > > > > > > > Since my daughter is autistic, is it better for me not to give > >her > > > > fish, fresh and from a can, due to the mrecury levels and metals? > >Or > > > > am I OK to do so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the > >book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the > >following websites: > > > >http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info\ /http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/>> > > > and > > > http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/http://www.pecanbread.com ttp://www.pecanbread.com/>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 I live in Staunton, VA. We have a Whole Foods market about 40 min. away. There is a 's that just opened up about 20 minutes away. I'll start to look into it. Jeni Lynn (gastrointestinal problems) SCD day 1 Re: Fish > >Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:51:12 -0000 > > > >Dear , > > > >You are correct! I got my vitamin forms backwards. I just checked > >Dr. Megson's website with her research paper postings. Vitamin > >palmitate is the form that my kids cannot absorb. They need the kind > >in cod liver oil which is the natural, unsaturated cis form. Good > >eye! Thanks for helping get it straight. > > > >As far as the fish thing goes. I was stating Dr. ph Mercola's > >findings (which I trust). In his book, Dr. Mercola's Total Health > >Program he writes: " Sadly in the last 50 years, the oceans and lakes > >have become polluted with hundreds of millions of tons of mercury > >primarily from burning coal for electricity. . . . many health > >experts, myself included, are now warning against any type of fish, > >as nearly all have toxic levels of mercury . . . . Fish consumption > >is particularly hazardous to pregnant women and children as the > >mercury can cause birth defects and harm the sensitive physiology of > >children. " He also states: " My best advice in descending order is: 1) > >avoid eating any fish unless you know it has been laboratory-tested > >and proven to be free from mercury and other toxins. 2) If you do eat > >fish that you are not sure has been laboratory-tested and proven to > >be free of toxins, at least choose from among the following six > >safest fish:* wild pacific salmon* tilapia* croaker* sardines* > >haddock* summer flounder. 3) Eat fish sustainably harvested from the > >wild (such as the toxin-free Vital Choice salmon . . .), not " farm > >raised. " > > > >Again, this is Dr. Mercola's standpoint. Everyone has to make their > >own decisions about what they feel comfortable with. Anyway, this is > >some of the information that I have been able to get my hands on. I > >hope you find it helpful. > > > >Agape to you, > >Jeni Lynn > > > > > > > > > > Since my daughter is autistic, is it better for me not to give > >her > > > > fish, fresh and from a can, due to the mrecury levels and metals? > >Or > > > > am I OK to do so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the > >book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the > >following websites: > > > >http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info\ /http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/>> > > > and > > > http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/http://www.pecanbread.com ttp://www.pecanbread.com/>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 > > Hi ! > > Your point is valid and good in my opinion. Thank you for the extra resource. I intend to check it out. > > Where do you buy your fish? How did you go about investigating the quality of it? I have never bought Vital Choice (and I don't intend to) because it probably costs more than I am willing to pay. If I could find good, quality fish sold locally, though, I would be very interested in adding it to my family's menu. > > Once, I asked around at the local fish market, Walmart fish market, etc. about their fish source. They had no idea where the fish came from or anything like that. I gave up after that and went fish-free. > > Can you give me some pointers on " fish investigation " ? > > Thanks! > Jeni Lynn (gastrointestinal problems) > SCD 2 hours > RE: Re: Fish > > > I think we all need to be careful about fish, BUT, let's not forget, as far > as Dr. Mercola goes- He has vested interested in selling vital choice > salmon, of course he is going to tell you not to eat any other fish- buying > other fish doesn't make him money. I know was trying to help. Elaine had issues with Dr. Mercola, his protocols and products. I composed a really long post about this and held it back pending a cooling off period as it may offend. It's my annual rant. If the moderators apporve what I wrote I will post it. Carol F. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 > > Hi ! > > Your point is valid and good in my opinion. Thank you for the extra resource. I intend to check it out. > > Where do you buy your fish? How did you go about investigating the quality of it? I have never bought Vital Choice (and I don't intend to) because it probably costs more than I am willing to pay. If I could find good, quality fish sold locally, though, I would be very interested in adding it to my family's menu. > > Once, I asked around at the local fish market, Walmart fish market, etc. about their fish source. They had no idea where the fish came from or anything like that. I gave up after that and went fish-free. > > Can you give me some pointers on " fish investigation " ? > > Thanks! > Jeni Lynn (gastrointestinal problems) > SCD 2 hours > RE: Re: Fish > > > I think we all need to be careful about fish, BUT, let's not forget, as far > as Dr. Mercola goes- He has vested interested in selling vital choice > salmon, of course he is going to tell you not to eat any other fish- buying > other fish doesn't make him money. I know was trying to help. Elaine had issues with Dr. Mercola, his protocols and products. I composed a really long post about this and held it back pending a cooling off period as it may offend. It's my annual rant. If the moderators apporve what I wrote I will post it. Carol F. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 > > Hi ! > > Your point is valid and good in my opinion. Thank you for the extra resource. I intend to check it out. > > Where do you buy your fish? How did you go about investigating the quality of it? I have never bought Vital Choice (and I don't intend to) because it probably costs more than I am willing to pay. If I could find good, quality fish sold locally, though, I would be very interested in adding it to my family's menu. > > Once, I asked around at the local fish market, Walmart fish market, etc. about their fish source. They had no idea where the fish came from or anything like that. I gave up after that and went fish-free. > > Can you give me some pointers on " fish investigation " ? > > Thanks! > Jeni Lynn (gastrointestinal problems) > SCD 2 hours > RE: Re: Fish > > > I think we all need to be careful about fish, BUT, let's not forget, as far > as Dr. Mercola goes- He has vested interested in selling vital choice > salmon, of course he is going to tell you not to eat any other fish- buying > other fish doesn't make him money. I know was trying to help. Elaine had issues with Dr. Mercola, his protocols and products. I composed a really long post about this and held it back pending a cooling off period as it may offend. It's my annual rant. If the moderators apporve what I wrote I will post it. Carol F. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 > > Hi ! > > Your point is valid and good in my opinion. Thank you for the extra resource. I intend to check it out. > > Where do you buy your fish? My two cents: Wherever I buy fish I look for " Ocean caught. " Whole Foods feeds their fish with other fish and not grain but i am brainwashed against farmed fish. Costco has ocea caught shrimps, sole and scallops which i have found to taste good and can only hope they are good. I rarely use canned tuna any more but do so occasionally. Carol F. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 > > Hi ! > > Your point is valid and good in my opinion. Thank you for the extra resource. I intend to check it out. > > Where do you buy your fish? My two cents: Wherever I buy fish I look for " Ocean caught. " Whole Foods feeds their fish with other fish and not grain but i am brainwashed against farmed fish. Costco has ocea caught shrimps, sole and scallops which i have found to taste good and can only hope they are good. I rarely use canned tuna any more but do so occasionally. Carol F. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 It's: http://www.gotmercury.org Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 It's: http://www.gotmercury.org Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 It's: http://www.gotmercury.org Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 Carol, I think you are blowing things completely out of proportion. I never advised any one to follow Dr. Mercola's health program or purchase any products. I simply stated his stance on the fish/mercury issue (a wise one in my opinion). Someone had a legitimate fish question. When you are trying to find an answer, information is helpful in reaching a conclusion. And -- as I stated in my post to her -- everyone has to make their own decision about what to do concerning the mercury/fish problem. You expressed yourself that everyone has heard the cautions about fish, so I don't understand why Dr. Mercola's caution should be excluded. I am not promoting a separate diet, I am extending information about the condition of fish in our world (just as Jody and did with their mercury website). I don't think it is cause for an annual rant, shake-up, or anything else. I don't believe Elaine's legacy has been attacked here, and I don't believe it warrants your adamant protection on this point. And while you certainly are at liberty to express your POV (as am I), your POV didn't seem very relevant to the issue of mercury in fish. If you would like to post your POV about mercury in fish or even Elaine's POV about mercury in fish, that would be helpful and welcome. But as your curt comment just stated that Dr. Mercola didn't develop SCD, it didn't state anything helpful or productive. I realize that you are an asset to this group. Many of your posts are direct, specific, and provide helpful direction and information (such as your reply to me concerning Elaine's position with SCD and chelation). However, this one was not. Jeni Lynn , you did no harm. It's time for my annual rant when I perceive that Pecanbread could use a shakeup. Its really hard to dance at two weddings at once.! Adam is a man. Adam has a beard. Therefore can we conclude all men have beards? Macs serves salads with dressing on the side. Therefore should we conclude Macs has similarities to SCD? Elaine asked me in 2002 not to contact Dr. Mercola about the similarities between his protocols and SCD. She was emphatic! ( Mercola has a proclivity to borrow from others without credit and he never heard of SCD at the time) He also sells a slew of stuff. The alternative medicine community is filled with therapies which appear as valuable adjuncts to SCD but often are not. As new scientific findings came along Elaine was interested and open to them if they were proven just as we are constantly asked for more scientific prooof of the effacy of SCD. Elaine never stopped researching! And we have all heard the cautions about fish. It may seem to outsiders that SCD is either a cult or a dictatorship, but Elaine was determined to keep her diet intact. I am determined to protect her legacy. The FAQs of the Pecanbread list ask us not to discuss other diets and practices. The official moderators are very lenient about this because they know the stresses and desperation autism families suffer. I am not an official moderator and express my own POV when it comes to things Elaine opposed ; some of Dr. Mercola's advice qualifies. I am not harsh, not nasty... maybe just not so tactful ... an SCD purist who has had the good fortune to meet or correspond with people whose lives have been saved by SCD. The SCD diet was originated by Dr. S.V. Haas and further rearched and illuminated by Elaine. She was clear on her opinions and equally clear if she was uncertain about something. Every now and then I get so upset with extraneous suggestions that are brought to SCD support lists IN GOOD FAITH that I need to take a leave of absence before I'm told I don't belong. (It does not trouble me to become unpopular if a person's health can be saved as a result.) This list is supposed to be about Mutual Support, not " Ask Jeeves. " I urge people to learn SCD, give it a fair trial to the best of their ability..as it is written without complicating it. Read the book and study the two web sites before jumping in. Learn how to look for answers that are in the book and on the SCD Internet sites.. Correspond with companies to determine if store bought food is legal instead of expecting the moderators to do it all. These women are unpaid, give of their time freely and have families and other responsibilities just like members and it is a miracle that they can keep their cool when I do not.. I realize that autism is complex, multi faceted with a multitude of suspected causes and proposed treatments and parents pursue many paths in search of a cure. Being an adult on the diet is different. An adult can report on how it feels to be sick and what makes things feel better. I offer my experience of six years on the adult and original version of the diet. The autism version co-exists with it side by side. The integrity of both versions has to be maintained. SCD is not about the beliefs of Donna Gates, Jordan Rubin, Sally Fallon, Joe Mercola or the other diets that appear to have similarities to SCD. Everyone eats food and so food on one diet is bound to appear on another but not ALL foods.It is about the use of specific carbohydrates and the elimination of starch, sugar and gluten to promote healing the gut and improving brain function. For everything else there is Mastercard :-) Carol F. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\ > and http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 Carol, I think you are blowing things completely out of proportion. I never advised any one to follow Dr. Mercola's health program or purchase any products. I simply stated his stance on the fish/mercury issue (a wise one in my opinion). Someone had a legitimate fish question. When you are trying to find an answer, information is helpful in reaching a conclusion. And -- as I stated in my post to her -- everyone has to make their own decision about what to do concerning the mercury/fish problem. You expressed yourself that everyone has heard the cautions about fish, so I don't understand why Dr. Mercola's caution should be excluded. I am not promoting a separate diet, I am extending information about the condition of fish in our world (just as Jody and did with their mercury website). I don't think it is cause for an annual rant, shake-up, or anything else. I don't believe Elaine's legacy has been attacked here, and I don't believe it warrants your adamant protection on this point. And while you certainly are at liberty to express your POV (as am I), your POV didn't seem very relevant to the issue of mercury in fish. If you would like to post your POV about mercury in fish or even Elaine's POV about mercury in fish, that would be helpful and welcome. But as your curt comment just stated that Dr. Mercola didn't develop SCD, it didn't state anything helpful or productive. I realize that you are an asset to this group. Many of your posts are direct, specific, and provide helpful direction and information (such as your reply to me concerning Elaine's position with SCD and chelation). However, this one was not. Jeni Lynn , you did no harm. It's time for my annual rant when I perceive that Pecanbread could use a shakeup. Its really hard to dance at two weddings at once.! Adam is a man. Adam has a beard. Therefore can we conclude all men have beards? Macs serves salads with dressing on the side. Therefore should we conclude Macs has similarities to SCD? Elaine asked me in 2002 not to contact Dr. Mercola about the similarities between his protocols and SCD. She was emphatic! ( Mercola has a proclivity to borrow from others without credit and he never heard of SCD at the time) He also sells a slew of stuff. The alternative medicine community is filled with therapies which appear as valuable adjuncts to SCD but often are not. As new scientific findings came along Elaine was interested and open to them if they were proven just as we are constantly asked for more scientific prooof of the effacy of SCD. Elaine never stopped researching! And we have all heard the cautions about fish. It may seem to outsiders that SCD is either a cult or a dictatorship, but Elaine was determined to keep her diet intact. I am determined to protect her legacy. The FAQs of the Pecanbread list ask us not to discuss other diets and practices. The official moderators are very lenient about this because they know the stresses and desperation autism families suffer. I am not an official moderator and express my own POV when it comes to things Elaine opposed ; some of Dr. Mercola's advice qualifies. I am not harsh, not nasty... maybe just not so tactful ... an SCD purist who has had the good fortune to meet or correspond with people whose lives have been saved by SCD. The SCD diet was originated by Dr. S.V. Haas and further rearched and illuminated by Elaine. She was clear on her opinions and equally clear if she was uncertain about something. Every now and then I get so upset with extraneous suggestions that are brought to SCD support lists IN GOOD FAITH that I need to take a leave of absence before I'm told I don't belong. (It does not trouble me to become unpopular if a person's health can be saved as a result.) This list is supposed to be about Mutual Support, not " Ask Jeeves. " I urge people to learn SCD, give it a fair trial to the best of their ability..as it is written without complicating it. Read the book and study the two web sites before jumping in. Learn how to look for answers that are in the book and on the SCD Internet sites.. Correspond with companies to determine if store bought food is legal instead of expecting the moderators to do it all. These women are unpaid, give of their time freely and have families and other responsibilities just like members and it is a miracle that they can keep their cool when I do not.. I realize that autism is complex, multi faceted with a multitude of suspected causes and proposed treatments and parents pursue many paths in search of a cure. Being an adult on the diet is different. An adult can report on how it feels to be sick and what makes things feel better. I offer my experience of six years on the adult and original version of the diet. The autism version co-exists with it side by side. The integrity of both versions has to be maintained. SCD is not about the beliefs of Donna Gates, Jordan Rubin, Sally Fallon, Joe Mercola or the other diets that appear to have similarities to SCD. Everyone eats food and so food on one diet is bound to appear on another but not ALL foods.It is about the use of specific carbohydrates and the elimination of starch, sugar and gluten to promote healing the gut and improving brain function. For everything else there is Mastercard :-) Carol F. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\ > and http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 Carol, I think you are blowing things completely out of proportion. I never advised any one to follow Dr. Mercola's health program or purchase any products. I simply stated his stance on the fish/mercury issue (a wise one in my opinion). Someone had a legitimate fish question. When you are trying to find an answer, information is helpful in reaching a conclusion. And -- as I stated in my post to her -- everyone has to make their own decision about what to do concerning the mercury/fish problem. You expressed yourself that everyone has heard the cautions about fish, so I don't understand why Dr. Mercola's caution should be excluded. I am not promoting a separate diet, I am extending information about the condition of fish in our world (just as Jody and did with their mercury website). I don't think it is cause for an annual rant, shake-up, or anything else. I don't believe Elaine's legacy has been attacked here, and I don't believe it warrants your adamant protection on this point. And while you certainly are at liberty to express your POV (as am I), your POV didn't seem very relevant to the issue of mercury in fish. If you would like to post your POV about mercury in fish or even Elaine's POV about mercury in fish, that would be helpful and welcome. But as your curt comment just stated that Dr. Mercola didn't develop SCD, it didn't state anything helpful or productive. I realize that you are an asset to this group. Many of your posts are direct, specific, and provide helpful direction and information (such as your reply to me concerning Elaine's position with SCD and chelation). However, this one was not. Jeni Lynn , you did no harm. It's time for my annual rant when I perceive that Pecanbread could use a shakeup. Its really hard to dance at two weddings at once.! Adam is a man. Adam has a beard. Therefore can we conclude all men have beards? Macs serves salads with dressing on the side. Therefore should we conclude Macs has similarities to SCD? Elaine asked me in 2002 not to contact Dr. Mercola about the similarities between his protocols and SCD. She was emphatic! ( Mercola has a proclivity to borrow from others without credit and he never heard of SCD at the time) He also sells a slew of stuff. The alternative medicine community is filled with therapies which appear as valuable adjuncts to SCD but often are not. As new scientific findings came along Elaine was interested and open to them if they were proven just as we are constantly asked for more scientific prooof of the effacy of SCD. Elaine never stopped researching! And we have all heard the cautions about fish. It may seem to outsiders that SCD is either a cult or a dictatorship, but Elaine was determined to keep her diet intact. I am determined to protect her legacy. The FAQs of the Pecanbread list ask us not to discuss other diets and practices. The official moderators are very lenient about this because they know the stresses and desperation autism families suffer. I am not an official moderator and express my own POV when it comes to things Elaine opposed ; some of Dr. Mercola's advice qualifies. I am not harsh, not nasty... maybe just not so tactful ... an SCD purist who has had the good fortune to meet or correspond with people whose lives have been saved by SCD. The SCD diet was originated by Dr. S.V. Haas and further rearched and illuminated by Elaine. She was clear on her opinions and equally clear if she was uncertain about something. Every now and then I get so upset with extraneous suggestions that are brought to SCD support lists IN GOOD FAITH that I need to take a leave of absence before I'm told I don't belong. (It does not trouble me to become unpopular if a person's health can be saved as a result.) This list is supposed to be about Mutual Support, not " Ask Jeeves. " I urge people to learn SCD, give it a fair trial to the best of their ability..as it is written without complicating it. Read the book and study the two web sites before jumping in. Learn how to look for answers that are in the book and on the SCD Internet sites.. Correspond with companies to determine if store bought food is legal instead of expecting the moderators to do it all. These women are unpaid, give of their time freely and have families and other responsibilities just like members and it is a miracle that they can keep their cool when I do not.. I realize that autism is complex, multi faceted with a multitude of suspected causes and proposed treatments and parents pursue many paths in search of a cure. Being an adult on the diet is different. An adult can report on how it feels to be sick and what makes things feel better. I offer my experience of six years on the adult and original version of the diet. The autism version co-exists with it side by side. The integrity of both versions has to be maintained. SCD is not about the beliefs of Donna Gates, Jordan Rubin, Sally Fallon, Joe Mercola or the other diets that appear to have similarities to SCD. Everyone eats food and so food on one diet is bound to appear on another but not ALL foods.It is about the use of specific carbohydrates and the elimination of starch, sugar and gluten to promote healing the gut and improving brain function. For everything else there is Mastercard :-) Carol F. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\ > and http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 > > Carol, > > I think you are blowing things completely out of proportion. I never advised any one to follow Dr. Mercola's health program or purchase any products. I simply stated his stance on the fish/mercury issue (a wise one in my opinion). Someone had a legitimate fish question. When you are trying to find an answer, information is helpful in reaching a conclusion. And -- as I stated in my post to her -- everyone has to make their own decision about what to do concerning the mercury/fish problem. > > You expressed yourself that everyone has heard the cautions about fish, so I don't understand why Dr. Mercola's caution should be excluded. I am not promoting a separate diet, I am extending information about the condition of fish in our world (just as Jody and did with their mercury website). I don't think it is cause for an annual rant, shake- up, or anything else. > > I don't believe Elaine's legacy has been attacked here, and I don't believe it warrants your adamant protection on this point. And while you certainly are at liberty to express your POV (as am I), your POV didn't seem very relevant to the issue of mercury in fish. If you would like to post your POV about mercury in fish or even Elaine's POV about mercury in fish, that would be helpful and welcome. But as your curt comment just stated that Dr. Mercola didn't develop SCD, it didn't state anything helpful or productive. > > I realize that you are an asset to this group. Many of your posts are direct, specific, and provide helpful direction and information (such as your reply to me concerning Elaine's position with SCD and chelation). However, this one was not. > Which is why I consulted Jody before posting it. Like I said, Elaine had no use for Dr. Mercola and I stand by everything else I said. Carol F. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 > > Carol, > > I think you are blowing things completely out of proportion. I never advised any one to follow Dr. Mercola's health program or purchase any products. I simply stated his stance on the fish/mercury issue (a wise one in my opinion). Someone had a legitimate fish question. When you are trying to find an answer, information is helpful in reaching a conclusion. And -- as I stated in my post to her -- everyone has to make their own decision about what to do concerning the mercury/fish problem. > > You expressed yourself that everyone has heard the cautions about fish, so I don't understand why Dr. Mercola's caution should be excluded. I am not promoting a separate diet, I am extending information about the condition of fish in our world (just as Jody and did with their mercury website). I don't think it is cause for an annual rant, shake- up, or anything else. > > I don't believe Elaine's legacy has been attacked here, and I don't believe it warrants your adamant protection on this point. And while you certainly are at liberty to express your POV (as am I), your POV didn't seem very relevant to the issue of mercury in fish. If you would like to post your POV about mercury in fish or even Elaine's POV about mercury in fish, that would be helpful and welcome. But as your curt comment just stated that Dr. Mercola didn't develop SCD, it didn't state anything helpful or productive. > > I realize that you are an asset to this group. Many of your posts are direct, specific, and provide helpful direction and information (such as your reply to me concerning Elaine's position with SCD and chelation). However, this one was not. > Which is why I consulted Jody before posting it. Like I said, Elaine had no use for Dr. Mercola and I stand by everything else I said. Carol F. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 > > Carol, > > I think you are blowing things completely out of proportion. I never advised any one to follow Dr. Mercola's health program or purchase any products. I simply stated his stance on the fish/mercury issue (a wise one in my opinion). Someone had a legitimate fish question. When you are trying to find an answer, information is helpful in reaching a conclusion. And -- as I stated in my post to her -- everyone has to make their own decision about what to do concerning the mercury/fish problem. > > You expressed yourself that everyone has heard the cautions about fish, so I don't understand why Dr. Mercola's caution should be excluded. I am not promoting a separate diet, I am extending information about the condition of fish in our world (just as Jody and did with their mercury website). I don't think it is cause for an annual rant, shake- up, or anything else. > > I don't believe Elaine's legacy has been attacked here, and I don't believe it warrants your adamant protection on this point. And while you certainly are at liberty to express your POV (as am I), your POV didn't seem very relevant to the issue of mercury in fish. If you would like to post your POV about mercury in fish or even Elaine's POV about mercury in fish, that would be helpful and welcome. But as your curt comment just stated that Dr. Mercola didn't develop SCD, it didn't state anything helpful or productive. > > I realize that you are an asset to this group. Many of your posts are direct, specific, and provide helpful direction and information (such as your reply to me concerning Elaine's position with SCD and chelation). However, this one was not. > Which is why I consulted Jody before posting it. Like I said, Elaine had no use for Dr. Mercola and I stand by everything else I said. Carol F. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 > > Carol, > > I think you are blowing things completely out of proportion. >> Jeni Lynn In my previous response I negelected to mention I checked Dr. Mercola's position on celiac disease. He has an entire page of his own " Google' sites on celiac and addresses on each suggests the Gluten Free Diet and avoiding wheat. So he is not recognizing the importance of avoiding starch and sugar as well. Why should I consider him a reliable source about fish when he advocates the GF diet? Carol F. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 > > Carol, > > I think you are blowing things completely out of proportion. >> Jeni Lynn In my previous response I negelected to mention I checked Dr. Mercola's position on celiac disease. He has an entire page of his own " Google' sites on celiac and addresses on each suggests the Gluten Free Diet and avoiding wheat. So he is not recognizing the importance of avoiding starch and sugar as well. Why should I consider him a reliable source about fish when he advocates the GF diet? Carol F. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 Carol(with a sense of humor at the end), you go girl!!!! Agape, Carol Frilegh c.frilegh@...> wrote: > > Dear Carol, > > I understand that Dr. Mercola did not develop SCD, but interestingly enough much of what he says lines up with SCD. His book is not geared for people with intestinal issues; however, what he recommends for the " average " person is not far off from what Elaine suggests we do (such as removing grains, corn, soy, etc. from the diet). > > My point in providing the information was to help someone out with a mercury / fish question. Elaine does not address this in SCD, so are we not to investigate answers to any questions that Elaine didn't personally address? > > I saw no harm in providing this information to a person who is trying to find answers. It doesn't conflict with SCD in any way and may, in fact, end up helping this woman's child. > , you did no harm. It's time for my annual rant when I perceive that Pecanbread could use a shakeup. Its really hard to dance at two weddings at once.! Adam is a man. Adam has a beard. Therefore can we conclude all men have beards? Macs serves salads with dressing on the side. Therefore should we conclude Macs has similarities to SCD? Elaine asked me in 2002 not to contact Dr. Mercola about the similarities between his protocols and SCD. She was emphatic! ( Mercola has a proclivity to borrow from others without credit and he never heard of SCD at the time) He also sells a slew of stuff. The alternative medicine community is filled with therapies which appear as valuable adjuncts to SCD but often are not. As new scientific findings came along Elaine was interested and open to them if they were proven just as we are constantly asked for more scientific prooof of the effacy of SCD. Elaine never stopped researching! And we have all heard the cautions about fish. It may seem to outsiders that SCD is either a cult or a dictatorship, but Elaine was determined to keep her diet intact. I am determined to protect her legacy. The FAQs of the Pecanbread list ask us not to discuss other diets and practices. The official moderators are very lenient about this because they know the stresses and desperation autism families suffer. I am not an official moderator and express my own POV when it comes to things Elaine opposed ; some of Dr. Mercola's advice qualifies. I am not harsh, not nasty... maybe just not so tactful ... an SCD purist who has had the good fortune to meet or correspond with people whose lives have been saved by SCD. The SCD diet was originated by Dr. S.V. Haas and further rearched and illuminated by Elaine. She was clear on her opinions and equally clear if she was uncertain about something. Every now and then I get so upset with extraneous suggestions that are brought to SCD support lists IN GOOD FAITH that I need to take a leave of absence before I'm told I don't belong. (It does not trouble me to become unpopular if a person's health can be saved as a result.) This list is supposed to be about Mutual Support, not " Ask Jeeves. " I urge people to learn SCD, give it a fair trial to the best of their ability..as it is written without complicating it. Read the book and study the two web sites before jumping in. Learn how to look for answers that are in the book and on the SCD Internet sites.. Correspond with companies to determine if store bought food is legal instead of expecting the moderators to do it all. These women are unpaid, give of their time freely and have families and other responsibilities just like members and it is a miracle that they can keep their cool when I do not.. I realize that autism is complex, multi faceted with a multitude of suspected causes and proposed treatments and parents pursue many paths in search of a cure. Being an adult on the diet is different. An adult can report on how it feels to be sick and what makes things feel better. I offer my experience of six years on the adult and original version of the diet. The autism version co-exists with it side by side. The integrity of both versions has to be maintained. SCD is not about the beliefs of Donna Gates, Jordan Rubin, Sally Fallon, Joe Mercola or the other diets that appear to have similarities to SCD. Everyone eats food and so food on one diet is bound to appear on another but not ALL foods.It is about the use of specific carbohydrates and the elimination of starch, sugar and gluten to promote healing the gut and improving brain function. For everything else there is Mastercard :-) Carol F. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 Carol(with a sense of humor at the end), you go girl!!!! Agape, Carol Frilegh c.frilegh@...> wrote: > > Dear Carol, > > I understand that Dr. Mercola did not develop SCD, but interestingly enough much of what he says lines up with SCD. His book is not geared for people with intestinal issues; however, what he recommends for the " average " person is not far off from what Elaine suggests we do (such as removing grains, corn, soy, etc. from the diet). > > My point in providing the information was to help someone out with a mercury / fish question. Elaine does not address this in SCD, so are we not to investigate answers to any questions that Elaine didn't personally address? > > I saw no harm in providing this information to a person who is trying to find answers. It doesn't conflict with SCD in any way and may, in fact, end up helping this woman's child. > , you did no harm. It's time for my annual rant when I perceive that Pecanbread could use a shakeup. Its really hard to dance at two weddings at once.! Adam is a man. Adam has a beard. Therefore can we conclude all men have beards? Macs serves salads with dressing on the side. Therefore should we conclude Macs has similarities to SCD? Elaine asked me in 2002 not to contact Dr. Mercola about the similarities between his protocols and SCD. She was emphatic! ( Mercola has a proclivity to borrow from others without credit and he never heard of SCD at the time) He also sells a slew of stuff. The alternative medicine community is filled with therapies which appear as valuable adjuncts to SCD but often are not. As new scientific findings came along Elaine was interested and open to them if they were proven just as we are constantly asked for more scientific prooof of the effacy of SCD. Elaine never stopped researching! And we have all heard the cautions about fish. It may seem to outsiders that SCD is either a cult or a dictatorship, but Elaine was determined to keep her diet intact. I am determined to protect her legacy. The FAQs of the Pecanbread list ask us not to discuss other diets and practices. The official moderators are very lenient about this because they know the stresses and desperation autism families suffer. I am not an official moderator and express my own POV when it comes to things Elaine opposed ; some of Dr. Mercola's advice qualifies. I am not harsh, not nasty... maybe just not so tactful ... an SCD purist who has had the good fortune to meet or correspond with people whose lives have been saved by SCD. The SCD diet was originated by Dr. S.V. Haas and further rearched and illuminated by Elaine. She was clear on her opinions and equally clear if she was uncertain about something. Every now and then I get so upset with extraneous suggestions that are brought to SCD support lists IN GOOD FAITH that I need to take a leave of absence before I'm told I don't belong. (It does not trouble me to become unpopular if a person's health can be saved as a result.) This list is supposed to be about Mutual Support, not " Ask Jeeves. " I urge people to learn SCD, give it a fair trial to the best of their ability..as it is written without complicating it. Read the book and study the two web sites before jumping in. Learn how to look for answers that are in the book and on the SCD Internet sites.. Correspond with companies to determine if store bought food is legal instead of expecting the moderators to do it all. These women are unpaid, give of their time freely and have families and other responsibilities just like members and it is a miracle that they can keep their cool when I do not.. I realize that autism is complex, multi faceted with a multitude of suspected causes and proposed treatments and parents pursue many paths in search of a cure. Being an adult on the diet is different. An adult can report on how it feels to be sick and what makes things feel better. I offer my experience of six years on the adult and original version of the diet. The autism version co-exists with it side by side. The integrity of both versions has to be maintained. SCD is not about the beliefs of Donna Gates, Jordan Rubin, Sally Fallon, Joe Mercola or the other diets that appear to have similarities to SCD. Everyone eats food and so food on one diet is bound to appear on another but not ALL foods.It is about the use of specific carbohydrates and the elimination of starch, sugar and gluten to promote healing the gut and improving brain function. For everything else there is Mastercard :-) Carol F. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 Carol(with a sense of humor at the end), you go girl!!!! Agape, Carol Frilegh c.frilegh@...> wrote: > > Dear Carol, > > I understand that Dr. Mercola did not develop SCD, but interestingly enough much of what he says lines up with SCD. His book is not geared for people with intestinal issues; however, what he recommends for the " average " person is not far off from what Elaine suggests we do (such as removing grains, corn, soy, etc. from the diet). > > My point in providing the information was to help someone out with a mercury / fish question. Elaine does not address this in SCD, so are we not to investigate answers to any questions that Elaine didn't personally address? > > I saw no harm in providing this information to a person who is trying to find answers. It doesn't conflict with SCD in any way and may, in fact, end up helping this woman's child. > , you did no harm. It's time for my annual rant when I perceive that Pecanbread could use a shakeup. Its really hard to dance at two weddings at once.! Adam is a man. Adam has a beard. Therefore can we conclude all men have beards? Macs serves salads with dressing on the side. Therefore should we conclude Macs has similarities to SCD? Elaine asked me in 2002 not to contact Dr. Mercola about the similarities between his protocols and SCD. She was emphatic! ( Mercola has a proclivity to borrow from others without credit and he never heard of SCD at the time) He also sells a slew of stuff. The alternative medicine community is filled with therapies which appear as valuable adjuncts to SCD but often are not. As new scientific findings came along Elaine was interested and open to them if they were proven just as we are constantly asked for more scientific prooof of the effacy of SCD. Elaine never stopped researching! And we have all heard the cautions about fish. It may seem to outsiders that SCD is either a cult or a dictatorship, but Elaine was determined to keep her diet intact. I am determined to protect her legacy. The FAQs of the Pecanbread list ask us not to discuss other diets and practices. The official moderators are very lenient about this because they know the stresses and desperation autism families suffer. I am not an official moderator and express my own POV when it comes to things Elaine opposed ; some of Dr. Mercola's advice qualifies. I am not harsh, not nasty... maybe just not so tactful ... an SCD purist who has had the good fortune to meet or correspond with people whose lives have been saved by SCD. The SCD diet was originated by Dr. S.V. Haas and further rearched and illuminated by Elaine. She was clear on her opinions and equally clear if she was uncertain about something. Every now and then I get so upset with extraneous suggestions that are brought to SCD support lists IN GOOD FAITH that I need to take a leave of absence before I'm told I don't belong. (It does not trouble me to become unpopular if a person's health can be saved as a result.) This list is supposed to be about Mutual Support, not " Ask Jeeves. " I urge people to learn SCD, give it a fair trial to the best of their ability..as it is written without complicating it. Read the book and study the two web sites before jumping in. Learn how to look for answers that are in the book and on the SCD Internet sites.. Correspond with companies to determine if store bought food is legal instead of expecting the moderators to do it all. These women are unpaid, give of their time freely and have families and other responsibilities just like members and it is a miracle that they can keep their cool when I do not.. I realize that autism is complex, multi faceted with a multitude of suspected causes and proposed treatments and parents pursue many paths in search of a cure. Being an adult on the diet is different. An adult can report on how it feels to be sick and what makes things feel better. I offer my experience of six years on the adult and original version of the diet. The autism version co-exists with it side by side. The integrity of both versions has to be maintained. SCD is not about the beliefs of Donna Gates, Jordan Rubin, Sally Fallon, Joe Mercola or the other diets that appear to have similarities to SCD. Everyone eats food and so food on one diet is bound to appear on another but not ALL foods.It is about the use of specific carbohydrates and the elimination of starch, sugar and gluten to promote healing the gut and improving brain function. For everything else there is Mastercard :-) Carol F. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 Carol, You are not obligated to consider him a reliable source, and neither is the original woman with the fish question. This is one of the reasons that I sited my information, so that people can investigate the info and the source for themselves. Everyone is free to make their own judgments about posted information. This is my point, and I am losing yours. Jeni Lynn Re: Fish > > Carol, > > I think you are blowing things completely out of proportion. >> Jeni Lynn In my previous response I negelected to mention I checked Dr. Mercola's position on celiac disease. He has an entire page of his own " Google' sites on celiac and addresses on each suggests the Gluten Free Diet and avoiding wheat. So he is not recognizing the importance of avoiding starch and sugar as well. Why should I consider him a reliable source about fish when he advocates the GF diet? Carol F. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\ > and http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 Carol, You are not obligated to consider him a reliable source, and neither is the original woman with the fish question. This is one of the reasons that I sited my information, so that people can investigate the info and the source for themselves. Everyone is free to make their own judgments about posted information. This is my point, and I am losing yours. Jeni Lynn Re: Fish > > Carol, > > I think you are blowing things completely out of proportion. >> Jeni Lynn In my previous response I negelected to mention I checked Dr. Mercola's position on celiac disease. He has an entire page of his own " Google' sites on celiac and addresses on each suggests the Gluten Free Diet and avoiding wheat. So he is not recognizing the importance of avoiding starch and sugar as well. Why should I consider him a reliable source about fish when he advocates the GF diet? Carol F. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\ > and http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 Carol, You are not obligated to consider him a reliable source, and neither is the original woman with the fish question. This is one of the reasons that I sited my information, so that people can investigate the info and the source for themselves. Everyone is free to make their own judgments about posted information. This is my point, and I am losing yours. Jeni Lynn Re: Fish > > Carol, > > I think you are blowing things completely out of proportion. >> Jeni Lynn In my previous response I negelected to mention I checked Dr. Mercola's position on celiac disease. He has an entire page of his own " Google' sites on celiac and addresses on each suggests the Gluten Free Diet and avoiding wheat. So he is not recognizing the importance of avoiding starch and sugar as well. Why should I consider him a reliable source about fish when he advocates the GF diet? Carol F. For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\ > and http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2006 Thank you Carol. As a newbie, I want very much to distinguish between " Pure " SCD and the various interpretations that exist in the autism community. That's why I'm asking so many questions here, and not on all those other lists. As I read and learn, I realize that the quote-unquote " SCD diet " as practiced by many of the parents I know isn't a true SCD diet. I want to do it right, for benefit of my son. Therefore, I appreciate your answering all my piddly little newbie questions (though I've read the SCD and pecanbread sites to exhaustion, my son is a tough case and I can't find exact answers that fit him). I also appreciate your setting us all straight on what's true SCD as Elaine intended it, and what's not. We need someone to separate the wheat from the chaff. Suzanne > > > > Dear Carol, > > > > I understand that Dr. Mercola did not develop SCD, but interestingly > enough much of > what he says lines up with SCD. His book is not geared for people with > intestinal issues; > however, what he recommends for the " average " person is not far off > from what Elaine > suggests we do (such as removing grains, corn, soy, etc. from the diet). > > > > My point in providing the information was to help someone out with a > mercury / fish > question. Elaine does not address this in SCD, so are we not to > investigate answers to any > questions that Elaine didn't personally address? > > > > I saw no harm in providing this information to a person who is trying > to find answers. It > doesn't conflict with SCD in any way and may, in fact, end up helping > this woman's child. > > > > , you did no harm. It's time for my annual rant when I perceive > that Pecanbread could use a shakeup. > Its really hard to dance at two weddings at once.! > > Adam is a man. Adam has a beard. Therefore can we conclude all men have > beards? > > Macs serves salads with dressing on the side. > Therefore should we conclude Macs has similarities to SCD? > > Elaine asked me in 2002 not to contact Dr. Mercola about the > similarities between his > protocols and SCD. She was emphatic! ( Mercola has a proclivity to > borrow from others without credit and he never heard of SCD at the > time) He also sells a slew of stuff. > > The alternative medicine community is filled with therapies which > appear as valuable adjuncts to SCD but often are not. As new scientific > findings came along Elaine was interested and open to them if they were > proven just as we are constantly asked for more scientific prooof of > the effacy of SCD. Elaine never stopped researching! And we have all > heard the cautions about fish. > > It may seem to outsiders that SCD is either a cult or a dictatorship, > but Elaine was determined to keep her diet intact. I am determined to > protect her legacy. > > The FAQs of the Pecanbread list ask us not to discuss other diets and > practices. The official moderators are very lenient about this because > they know the stresses and desperation autism families suffer. > > I am not an official moderator and express my own POV when it comes to > things > Elaine opposed ; some of Dr. Mercola's advice qualifies. > > I am not harsh, not nasty... maybe just not so tactful ... an SCD > purist who has had the good fortune to meet or correspond with people > whose lives have been saved by SCD. > > The SCD diet was originated by Dr. S.V. Haas and further rearched and > illuminated by > Elaine. She was clear on her opinions and equally clear if she was > uncertain about > something. > > Every now and then I get so upset with extraneous suggestions that are > brought > to SCD support lists IN GOOD FAITH that I need to take a leave of > absence before I'm told I don't belong. > (It does not trouble me to become unpopular if a person's health can be > saved as a result.) This list is supposed to be about Mutual Support, > not " Ask Jeeves. " > > > I urge people to learn SCD, give it a fair trial to the best of their > ability..as it is written > without complicating it. Read the book and study the two web sites > before jumping in. > Learn how to look for answers that are in the book and on the SCD > Internet sites.. Correspond with companies to determine if store bought > food is legal instead of expecting the moderators to do it all. These > women are unpaid, give of their time freely and have families and other > responsibilities just like members and it is a miracle that they can > keep their cool when I do not.. > > I realize that autism is complex, multi faceted with a multitude of > suspected causes > and proposed treatments and parents pursue many paths in search of a > cure. > > Being an adult on the diet is different. An adult can report on how it > feels to be sick and what makes things feel better. I offer my > experience of six years on the adult and original version of the diet. > The autism version co-exists with it side by side. The integrity of > both versions has to be maintained. > > SCD is not about the beliefs of Donna Gates, Jordan Rubin, Sally > Fallon, Joe Mercola or the other diets that appear to have similarities > to SCD. Everyone eats food and so food on one diet is bound to appear > on another but not ALL foods.It is about the use of specific > carbohydrates and the elimination of starch, sugar and gluten to > promote healing the gut and improving brain function. > > For everything else there is Mastercard :-) > > Carol F. > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites