Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 No one is saying NO carbs. What we're saying is " low glycemic " carbs. For a clear explanation of the glycemic index, check out Mendosa's site. www.mendosa.com High glycemic index foods, such as the " whites " -- breads, rice, potatoes, anything made with grain -- will raise BGs quickly. Low GI foods such as the vegetables listed in my newby letter, are the kind of carbs you want to eat. And you'll get all the energy you need from them. Just in case you forgot, here's the veggie list I refer to: Spinach Cauliflower Broccoli Summer squash (zucchini, crookneck) Spaghetti squash Mushrooms Asparagus Greenbeans Cabbage Sauerkraut I assume you haven't checked out Dr. Bernstein's site, which I also refer to in my newby letter. If you did, you'd get a very good explanation of how eating a lower GI carb diet can help manage BGs and weight loss. Just for your reference, here's the URL yet again. http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/index.shtml Vicki Off the insulin goal! > Can someone tell me, once you are on insulin...with low carbing...can > you get off the insulin? If so, how? And, someone who has been on > insulin and is now off...how do you eat ONLY 30 carbs a day? I thought > carbs is where we get our energy? If we dont eat enough...wont we > bottom out? > > Is there a " magical " way of eating without alot of fat, carbs and > still get the right amount of food to stay healthy and not starve to > death??? > Thanks Marcy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 No one is saying NO carbs. What we're saying is " low glycemic " carbs. For a clear explanation of the glycemic index, check out Mendosa's site. www.mendosa.com High glycemic index foods, such as the " whites " -- breads, rice, potatoes, anything made with grain -- will raise BGs quickly. Low GI foods such as the vegetables listed in my newby letter, are the kind of carbs you want to eat. And you'll get all the energy you need from them. Just in case you forgot, here's the veggie list I refer to: Spinach Cauliflower Broccoli Summer squash (zucchini, crookneck) Spaghetti squash Mushrooms Asparagus Greenbeans Cabbage Sauerkraut I assume you haven't checked out Dr. Bernstein's site, which I also refer to in my newby letter. If you did, you'd get a very good explanation of how eating a lower GI carb diet can help manage BGs and weight loss. Just for your reference, here's the URL yet again. http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/index.shtml Vicki Off the insulin goal! > Can someone tell me, once you are on insulin...with low carbing...can > you get off the insulin? If so, how? And, someone who has been on > insulin and is now off...how do you eat ONLY 30 carbs a day? I thought > carbs is where we get our energy? If we dont eat enough...wont we > bottom out? > > Is there a " magical " way of eating without alot of fat, carbs and > still get the right amount of food to stay healthy and not starve to > death??? > Thanks Marcy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 No one is saying NO carbs. What we're saying is " low glycemic " carbs. For a clear explanation of the glycemic index, check out Mendosa's site. www.mendosa.com High glycemic index foods, such as the " whites " -- breads, rice, potatoes, anything made with grain -- will raise BGs quickly. Low GI foods such as the vegetables listed in my newby letter, are the kind of carbs you want to eat. And you'll get all the energy you need from them. Just in case you forgot, here's the veggie list I refer to: Spinach Cauliflower Broccoli Summer squash (zucchini, crookneck) Spaghetti squash Mushrooms Asparagus Greenbeans Cabbage Sauerkraut I assume you haven't checked out Dr. Bernstein's site, which I also refer to in my newby letter. If you did, you'd get a very good explanation of how eating a lower GI carb diet can help manage BGs and weight loss. Just for your reference, here's the URL yet again. http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/index.shtml Vicki Off the insulin goal! > Can someone tell me, once you are on insulin...with low carbing...can > you get off the insulin? If so, how? And, someone who has been on > insulin and is now off...how do you eat ONLY 30 carbs a day? I thought > carbs is where we get our energy? If we dont eat enough...wont we > bottom out? > > Is there a " magical " way of eating without alot of fat, carbs and > still get the right amount of food to stay healthy and not starve to > death??? > Thanks Marcy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 If your're a Type 2, yes it may well be posible to get off insulin once you've gained excellent control. Nothing certain, of course, but it does happen. As for how you can live on only 30 carbs a day, yes, it's possible. There is a popular misconception that ONLY carbs provide glucose to the bloodstream. Not true, because up to 40% of proteins can also convert to carbs if needed. So when the carbs are reduced the proteins supply needed amount of glucose, but not more. This makes it much simpler to balance bg because the body needs to be forced to convert proteins to glucose, rather than having all carbs result in glucose that is often more than your body can burn. That may lead to gaining weight, which isn't exactly what we want to do around here. Even when eating a high protein (or low carb) diet fats need to be controlled to keep things reasonable. The idea that low carbers can eat unlimited amounts of fatty meat is wrong and not supported by Dr. Bernstein (who developed low carbing as a Type 1 in the '70s) or other people who understand it. Dr. Bernstein has been eating 30 carbs/day since he developed the diet and has plenty of energy. Ted Quick --- marcy barnes olelamplighterb@...> wrote: > Can someone tell me, once you are on insulin...with low carbing...can you get off the insulin? > If so, how? And, someone who has been on insulin and is now off...how do you eat ONLY 30 carbs a > day? I thought carbs is where we get our energy? If we dont eat enough...wont we bottom out? > > Is there a " magical " way of eating without alot of fat, carbs and still get the right amount > of food to stay healthy and not starve to death??? > Thanks Marcy... > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 If your're a Type 2, yes it may well be posible to get off insulin once you've gained excellent control. Nothing certain, of course, but it does happen. As for how you can live on only 30 carbs a day, yes, it's possible. There is a popular misconception that ONLY carbs provide glucose to the bloodstream. Not true, because up to 40% of proteins can also convert to carbs if needed. So when the carbs are reduced the proteins supply needed amount of glucose, but not more. This makes it much simpler to balance bg because the body needs to be forced to convert proteins to glucose, rather than having all carbs result in glucose that is often more than your body can burn. That may lead to gaining weight, which isn't exactly what we want to do around here. Even when eating a high protein (or low carb) diet fats need to be controlled to keep things reasonable. The idea that low carbers can eat unlimited amounts of fatty meat is wrong and not supported by Dr. Bernstein (who developed low carbing as a Type 1 in the '70s) or other people who understand it. Dr. Bernstein has been eating 30 carbs/day since he developed the diet and has plenty of energy. Ted Quick --- marcy barnes olelamplighterb@...> wrote: > Can someone tell me, once you are on insulin...with low carbing...can you get off the insulin? > If so, how? And, someone who has been on insulin and is now off...how do you eat ONLY 30 carbs a > day? I thought carbs is where we get our energy? If we dont eat enough...wont we bottom out? > > Is there a " magical " way of eating without alot of fat, carbs and still get the right amount > of food to stay healthy and not starve to death??? > Thanks Marcy... > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 marcy barnes wrote: > Is there a " magical " way of eating without alot of fat, carbs and still get the right amount of food to stay healthy and not starve to death??? > Thanks Marcy... No. When you cut out the carbs you increase the fat and that's what your body will use for energy. I have heard of some people who tried to lo-carb and lo-fat and it has never worked out for them. If you can stick to 30 carbs/day you shouldn't have to worry about the fat - it will all be burned up for energy. CarolR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 marcy barnes wrote: > Is there a " magical " way of eating without alot of fat, carbs and still get the right amount of food to stay healthy and not starve to death??? > Thanks Marcy... No. When you cut out the carbs you increase the fat and that's what your body will use for energy. I have heard of some people who tried to lo-carb and lo-fat and it has never worked out for them. If you can stick to 30 carbs/day you shouldn't have to worry about the fat - it will all be burned up for energy. CarolR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 marcy barnes wrote: > Is there a " magical " way of eating without alot of fat, carbs and still get the right amount of food to stay healthy and not starve to death??? > Thanks Marcy... No. When you cut out the carbs you increase the fat and that's what your body will use for energy. I have heard of some people who tried to lo-carb and lo-fat and it has never worked out for them. If you can stick to 30 carbs/day you shouldn't have to worry about the fat - it will all be burned up for energy. CarolR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 > I don't count carbs, I am on a weight watcher type diet. I was cleaning out a cabinet in the kitchen and found the old Weight Watchers diet I went on in the 1960s when I was trying to lose (gasp!) 5 pounds in anticipation of a trip to Puerto Rico. It worked, and the first time I ate at a restaurant I wasn't sure how I could eat that much food, but I'm a charter member of the Clean Plates Club, so I did, and by the next meal I was gorging on everything in sight and regained the 5 pounds by the time I returned home. However, the interesting thing is that the WW diet in those days was lowish-carb, also lowish-fat. You were allowed tons of lean protein and unlimited " no 3 vegetables, " which were low-GI veggies like greens. You were allowed only a half cup a day of " no 4 veggies, " which were things like beets, brussel sprouts, and other carbier veggies. Only 3 slices of bread a day, 3 glasses of milk, and 3 fruits (but no bananas, cherries, papaya, and a few other more carby fruits). So there were more carbs than most low carbers eat. But a lot less than the standard American diet. No flour (you were supposed to put one of your slices of bread in the blender if you needed flour), no potato, no rice, etc. I still remember some of their recipes fondly: the " Danish " made with a slice of toast, cottage cheese, vanilla, and cinnamon; spinach soup made with spinach and skim milk and nutmeg; apples baked with diet soda; onion soup; pears poached in skim milk with nutmeg; " milkshakes " made with skim milk and fresh berries. This might still be a good diet for some people with diabetes who can tolerate a few more carbs instead of eating more fat. Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 I used to do almost 200 units of insulin per day, but am off it now. I don't know if what I do is counting carbs. I make sure that the carbs I eat are low GI, that I have a lot of fiber with each meal, and I only eat meals that have been proved with my meter not to raise me too high. If you are wanting to get off insulin, please make sure that you make enough of your own. You can check that with a C-Peptide test. > > I don't count carbs, I am on a weight watcher type diet. I find when I am > counting carbs I am thinking of food too much. I am coming down on insulin, > right now I am more than 1/2 of what I was last year. Hopefully I can be off > by this year's end. > Marla > > -- Off the insulin goal! > > Can someone tell me, once you are on insulin...with low carbing... can you > get off the insulin? If so, how? And, someone who has been on insulin and is > now off...how do you eat ONLY 30 carbs a day? I thought carbs is where we > get our energy? If we dont eat enough...wont we bottom out? > > Is there a " magical " way of eating without alot of fat, carbs and still > get the right amount of food to stay healthy and not starve to death??? > Thanks Marcy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 > My mom was always doing weight watchers in the 60s of course we had to eat > what she did including the once a week liver. Its a lot different now and > much easier to eat out. Yes, but is it as good at controlling BGs? Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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