2 skydancer - too much exercise

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Hi Sky:

Yes, I've seen that many times. Before the bike, if I walked around my

subdivsion (Woodland, about 1 mile) My BGs would be lower, at the end

Where it joins Edgemount.

However if I also walk Edgemount, my BGs will start raising. One walk I

can remember, is at the end of Woodland, my BGs was around 95, so I

tried Edgemount (1.2 miles half-way). At the end of it, my BGs was 105.

It had to be some sort of liver dump. By the time I returned home, it

was 113. You can see, that's the last I did both in one walk

It's a blessing and a curse. But that's diabeties for you.

Message: 8

Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:06:44 -0500

Subject: Re: Re: Too much exercise?

At 11:43 PM 1/7/06, tiger_lily1ca wrote:

>i have never heard anything so ridiculous before

I'm sure I've seen messages where folks were talking about if they

exercised for X minutes then they saw their BG's go down, but if they

exercised for Y minutes (a longer time) then it tended to actually make

numbers higher. I was hoping those who'd had that experience would pipe

up. ??? It had to do with the body's reaction before it used up all

glucose stores and later on when it had to start producing more of it to

meet muscle needs.

sky

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[Guest guest]

> It had to be some sort of liver dump. By the time I returned home, it

> was 113. You can see, that's the last I did both in one walk

>

> It's a blessing and a curse. But that's diabeties for you.

But nondiabetics may be seeing the same things; they just don't test. I once

read a post by a hard-core bicycle rider. He had diabetes, and one time

after a race, he tested the nondiabetics. He said they were mostly around

140. The difference was that after the race they quickly returned to 85 or

whatever, and it took him a long time to come back down. Unfortunately, I

deleted the post by mistake so I can't cite exact figures.

Gretchen

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At 10:34 PM 1/12/06, Jan Burgess wrote:

>In " Day 6 " in Gretchen's book - The First Year - Type 2 Diabetes - An

>essential Guide for the Newly Diagnosed; I was drawn to a Paragraph

>entitled " Will Exercise always make my BG levels go down? "

(snip)

>In a nutshell - Gretchen's answer was to have some carbs 30 - 45 minutes

>before exercise!

>If you start exercise with a high BG - it will come down, if you begin

>exercise with a low BG - it will go up!!

You know, I own that book but haven't looked at it since I finished reading

back when first diagnosed.

>So today I set out to prove the theory for myself!

>

>I had brunch almost an hour before exercise, an egg a slice of turkey

>bacon a few mushrooms and a cup of coffee with cream and Da Vinci flavouring.

>

>Then I dressed and drove to the rehab. Testing just before we started I

>was a little over an hour after my meal - about my peak BG time - and I

>was a 6.1. After my 3 miles, I tested again: 4.3 !!!

Yayyy!!! I really need to start exercising (she says once again...it's

become a mantra).

sky

[Guest guest]

> >If you start exercise with a high BG - it will come down, if you begin

> >exercise with a low BG - it will go up!!

Let me qualify this by saying that applies to type 2, not type 1. Why?

Because if you have a lot of insulin in your system, exercise will increase

the effectiveness of the insulin and your BG will go down.

When a type 2 has high BG, they'll produce at least some insulin, this will

become more effective with the exercise.

But when a type 1 has high BG, they can't produce insulin. For a type 1 high

BG means too little insulin, and in that case exercise will make the BG go

even higher. It's not recommended that a type 1 exercise when BGs are above

a certain point.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

Gretchen,

So how do type 1's fit in exercise after meals? Do they have to test and then

they can exercise if between certain numbers?

Sandy

Re: 2 skydancer - too much exercise

Let me qualify this by saying that applies to type 2, not type 1. Why?

But when a type 1 has high BG, they can't produce insulin. For a type 1 high

BG means too little insulin, and in that case exercise will make the BG go

even higher. It's not recommended that a type 1 exercise when BGs are above

a certain point.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

> So how do type 1's fit in exercise after meals? Do they have to test and

then they can exercise if between certain numbers?

'

That's my understanding, but I'm not an expert on type 1. Sometimes they'll

eat before exercising to make sure they don't go too low. It's a really

difficult balancing act if you have type 1. But Hall showed it can be

done.

I hope some experienced type 1s can contribute here.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

>

> Gretchen,

>

> So how do type 1's fit in exercise after meals? Do they have to test

and then they can exercise if between certain numbers?

>

> Sandy

i'm not Gretchen, but i'm a type 1 for 18 years

i test before my meal (usually around 4 to 7) and shoot insulin for my

meal.......... then i eat dinner, clean up the dishes and take the dog

for a walk........ i have insulin on board to cover the food i ate, and

the exercise is also consuming the food that i ate............ i take

an apple with me on my walk in case of a hypo incident

that's what's worked for me........

kate

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I'm type 1 LADA on insulin...I always exercise about an hour after

breakfast, a 30-minute walk, neighborhood in spring, summer, fall, the

mall in winter. I take my breakfast insulin, eat breakfast, do

computer, drive to mall (right now), check BG before and after exercise.

If I'm below about 110 before walk, I'll have a little carby snack

(usually 2-3 bites of a biscotti) then test after walk again. Then I

go for latte and NYTimes read.

I always do my walk first thing in the morning; if I don't, somehow it

doesn't happen.

Vicki

Re: 2 skydancer - too much exercise

>

>>

>> Gretchen,

>>

>> So how do type 1's fit in exercise after meals? Do they have to test

> and then they can exercise if between certain numbers?

>>

>> Sandy

>

> i'm not Gretchen, but i'm a type 1 for 18 years

>

> i test before my meal (usually around 4 to 7) and shoot insulin for my

> meal.......... then i eat dinner, clean up the dishes and take the dog

> for a walk........ i have insulin on board to cover the food i ate,

> and

> the exercise is also consuming the food that i ate............ i take

> an apple with me on my walk in case of a hypo incident

>

> that's what's worked for me........

>

> kate

[Guest guest]

After my 3 miles, I tested again: 4.3 !!!

Yayyy!!! I really need to start exercising (she says once again...it's

become a mantra).

sky

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Ahh! but after that days 3 miles we found a lovely Thai restaurant and ate some

yummy food with a clear conscience. I drank gallons of green tea while Gord had

a big bowl of soup, then had my fill of all the dishes we ordered - Garlic

Shrimp, Beef & Ginger, Chicken Curry, Green vegetables (did have a little baby

corn in it) - then he had the nerve to eat a fried banana in front of me - and I

was all out of tea I finally stole a taste!! Honest! - just ONE little

taste!

CJ

[Guest guest]

Let me qualify this by saying that applies to type 2, not type 1. Why?

Because if you have a lot of insulin in your system, exercise will increase

the effectiveness of the insulin and your BG will go down.

When a type 2 has high BG, they'll produce at least some insulin, this will

become more effective with the exercise.

But when a type 1 has high BG, they can't produce insulin. For a type 1 high

BG means too little insulin, and in that case exercise will make the BG go

even higher. It's not recommended that a type 1 exercise when BGs are above

a certain point.

Gretchen

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Thanks for stating that clearly Gretchen! I was 'quoting' - NO! 'Adlibbing'

from your type ii book, but I should not have made that blanket statement -

anyway - I am thrilled with finding an answer to my own exercise conundrum!

CJ