Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 just read this below on endocrine web. now that's interesting about not knowing whether the disease (hashi's) causes the the antibodies or rather the antibodies causes the disease. any comments? and also interesting that it can present with a nodule instead of antibodies. also...talking about low levels of antibodies being associated with other thyroid disease. uh...what ones? and btw, how many folks on this forum have had a goiter? I can remember back in my mid 30s looking at my neck and thinking it looked big...but then it went away...hasn't been that way in over a decade. cindi Thyroid Antibodies. The body normally produces antibodies to foreign substances such as bacteria; however, some people are found to have antibodies against their own thyroid tissue. A condition known as Hashimoto's Thyroiditis is associated with a high level of these thyroid antibodies in the blood. Whether the antibodies cause the disease or whether the disease causes the antibodies is not known; however, the finding of a high level of thyroid antibodies is strong evidence of this disease. Occasionally, low levels of thyroid antibodies are found with other types of thyroid disease. When Hashimoto's thyroiditis presents as a thyroid nodule rather than a diffuse goiter, the thyroid antibodies may not be present. Thyroid Antibodies. The body normally produces antibodies to foreign substances such as bacteria; however, some people are found to have antibodies against their own thyroid tissue. A condition known as Hashimoto's Thyroiditis is associated with a high level of these thyroid antibodies in the blood. Whether the antibodies cause the disease or whether the disease causes the antibodies is not known; however, the finding of a high level of thyroid antibodies is strong evidence of this disease. Occasionally, low levels of thyroid antibodies are found with other types of thyroid disease. When Hashimoto's thyroiditis presents as a thyroid nodule rather than a diffuse goiter, the thyroid antibodies may not be present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 In a message dated 1/10/2005 2:43:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, martian.303@... writes: > well - I've had nodules - so does this prove that I have hashi's? my > anti-bodies are within normal, but I do have them. > > What is the definition of a goiter? I thought I had one years ago because my > thyroid was swollen - sort of a hard lump - is that one? > well how about that...you and the nodules...i think WE know you have Hashi's...it's just proving it to the docs i guess. I think a goiter is an enlarged/swollen thyroid gland. somebody correct me if i'm wrong. when my neck looked big to me...yes, the thyroid area was like a hard lump. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 well - I've had nodules - so does this prove that I have hashi's? my anti-bodies are within normal, but I do have them. What is the definition of a goiter? I thought I had one years ago because my thyroid was swollen - sort of a hard lump - is that one? Cris [Norton AntiSpam] Re: antibodies just read this below on endocrine web. now that's interesting about not knowing whether the disease (hashi's) causes the the antibodies or rather the antibodies causes the disease. any comments? and also interesting that it can present with a nodule instead of antibodies. also...talking about low levels of antibodies being associated with other thyroid disease. uh...what ones? and btw, how many folks on this forum have had a goiter? I can remember back in my mid 30s looking at my neck and thinking it looked big...but then it went away...hasn't been that way in over a decade. cindi Thyroid Antibodies. The body normally produces antibodies to foreign substances such as bacteria; however, some people are found to have antibodies against their own thyroid tissue. A condition known as Hashimoto's Thyroiditis is associated with a high level of these thyroid antibodies in the blood. Whether the antibodies cause the disease or whether the disease causes the antibodies is not known; however, the finding of a high level of thyroid antibodies is strong evidence of this disease. Occasionally, low levels of thyroid antibodies are found with other types of thyroid disease. When Hashimoto's thyroiditis presents as a thyroid nodule rather than a diffuse goiter, the thyroid antibodies may not be present. Thyroid Antibodies. The body normally produces antibodies to foreign substances such as bacteria; however, some people are found to have antibodies against their own thyroid tissue. A condition known as Hashimoto's Thyroiditis is associated with a high level of these thyroid antibodies in the blood. Whether the antibodies cause the disease or whether the disease causes the antibodies is not known; however, the finding of a high level of thyroid antibodies is strong evidence of this disease. Occasionally, low levels of thyroid antibodies are found with other types of thyroid disease. When Hashimoto's thyroiditis presents as a thyroid nodule rather than a diffuse goiter, the thyroid antibodies may not be present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 I doubt that I will ever be able to prove it to my doctor. you know - that beloved test doesn't confirm it! and even now, I have a hard lump there and it protrudes some. Not bad - so doctors think it's normal. even tho it was never there until I started to have problems. Cris [Norton AntiSpam] Re: antibodies In a message dated 1/10/2005 2:43:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, martian.303@... writes: > well - I've had nodules - so does this prove that I have hashi's? my > anti-bodies are within normal, but I do have them. > > What is the definition of a goiter? I thought I had one years ago because my > thyroid was swollen - sort of a hard lump - is that one? > well how about that...you and the nodules...i think WE know you have Hashi's...it's just proving it to the docs i guess. I think a goiter is an enlarged/swollen thyroid gland. somebody correct me if i'm wrong. when my neck looked big to me...yes, the thyroid area was like a hard lump. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 In a message dated 1/11/2005 10:55:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, martian.303@... writes: > which web site did you find this on? > http://www.endocrineweb.com/tests.html scan down to the bottom of the page...where they have the paragraph about thyroid antibodies... cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 which web site did you find this on? Cris [Norton AntiSpam] Re: antibodies just read this below on endocrine web. now that's interesting about not knowing whether the disease (hashi's) causes the the antibodies or rather the antibodies causes the disease. any comments? and also interesting that it can present with a nodule instead of antibodies. also...talking about low levels of antibodies being associated with other thyroid disease. uh...what ones? and btw, how many folks on this forum have had a goiter? I can remember back in my mid 30s looking at my neck and thinking it looked big...but then it went away...hasn't been that way in over a decade. cindi Thyroid Antibodies. The body normally produces antibodies to foreign substances such as bacteria; however, some people are found to have antibodies against their own thyroid tissue. A condition known as Hashimoto's Thyroiditis is associated with a high level of these thyroid antibodies in the blood. Whether the antibodies cause the disease or whether the disease causes the antibodies is not known; however, the finding of a high level of thyroid antibodies is strong evidence of this disease. Occasionally, low levels of thyroid antibodies are found with other types of thyroid disease. When Hashimoto's thyroiditis presents as a thyroid nodule rather than a diffuse goiter, the thyroid antibodies may not be present. Thyroid Antibodies. The body normally produces antibodies to foreign substances such as bacteria; however, some people are found to have antibodies against their own thyroid tissue. A condition known as Hashimoto's Thyroiditis is associated with a high level of these thyroid antibodies in the blood. Whether the antibodies cause the disease or whether the disease causes the antibodies is not known; however, the finding of a high level of thyroid antibodies is strong evidence of this disease. Occasionally, low levels of thyroid antibodies are found with other types of thyroid disease. When Hashimoto's thyroiditis presents as a thyroid nodule rather than a diffuse goiter, the thyroid antibodies may not be present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Thank you ! Just read through it!! Cris Re: antibodies In a message dated 1/11/2005 10:55:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, martian.303@... writes: > which web site did you find this on? > http://www.endocrineweb.com/tests.html scan down to the bottom of the page...where they have the paragraph about thyroid antibodies... cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Those who wrote this article seem not to have a true understanding of what Hashimoto's Disease is because of the statement they make about the nodule presenting first with not having antibodies. The very definition of Hashi's is thyroid disease caused by specific antibodies to thyroid. There are other thyroid conditions that are similar to it but not identical to it which have not antibodies, at least not at the time of diagnosis and scrutiny. It is even believed by some authorities that, even though Grave's and Hashi's were given two different names for two different thyroid disorders, they may very well be two different presentations on opposite ends of the spectrum of the SAME disease. Maybe with just an " add-on " antibody, with the Grave's. When categorizing names of thyroid diseases, originally, they just decided to make distinctions in particular physical conditions of the thyroid and what they THINK makes them progress. Looking at listings of all these thyroid condition names, it CAN get pretty confusing, unless you know the molecular structures involved in this and understand them well. I know that Grave's and Hashi's both do seem to have strong genetic tendencies for chromosomal abnormalities. As a matter of fact, it has been found that whole families with either one of them do have very certain chromosomal abnormalities, in those who have had the opportunity to even have genetic testing. I think there's not that many of us who've had this opportunity. The human genome project solidified these findings, and for many other diseases as well. Whether a disease manifests or not, and why it manifests in one person with these genetics, but not in another, is part of the mystery. Environment, emotional stressors, lifestyles, things that happen to a person physically, mentally, emotionally, is my best guess, but that's all it is, is a guess. The antibodies DO create the disease itself, but noone really knows why we form the antibodies, that's the mystery. I don't understand why the writers of this article don't understand (as has been written in many many other places, BTW) that Hashi's doesn't even have to present with a goiter, that in some people, the mental symptoms can present first, still, in other people, the goiter can present first, nodules can present first with no goiter, nervousness and anxiety can present first, weight loss can present first, etc., etc., etc............It is different patterns from person to person, but what happens to the thyroid later on, on the downhill slide is basically the same, just at a different rate of speed, and with different symptoms presenting differently from person to person. We are all made so differently, that it simply doesn't have to follow an exact pattern. One of those cases in that article on the Psychiatric Manifestations of Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, almost made me cry in anger, because it was a perfect description of my beginnings and history of it. I presented with ALL mental symptoms first, weight loss and anorexia, with almost everything they described there, but the only difference was that I WAS an abused spouse, so it WAS part of the whole scheme of things. The downhill slide she went through was very similar to mine, it's just that I didn't get far enough to have to be committed to a mental health facility (I probably would have welcomed the help, frankly! I had NOone to back me, as I was also very secretive about having ANY kind of weakness, but I did have ONE friend who was aware that something was wrong). Unless you've had that " free floating anxiety " , you just can't really describe it to anyone. Mine started out that way, but it went on for SEVEN yrs, if you can believe that anyone could exist like that for that long a time, but I stayed full of tranquilizers, antidepressants and the like, but STILL had this. It wasn't until I actually went into full fledged hypo within a very short period of time, that I was discovered, and, even then, no mention of Hashi's antibodies was ever made, except for the statement from the diagnosing doctor that " Hashimoto's is the most common cause of Hypothyroidism " . I had no idea what that statement even meant at that time, back in 1993. There was NO explanation of what that even entailed or what kind of terrible things was to come even in the future, let alone the nightmarish existence of being in constant fear and not even knowing why. With the advent of " the crash " , the free floating anxiety ended, in my case, and, as I've said before, this is what I've been saying, when I say " it's like looking back at someone else " , as in another person. Other persons " experiences in the sequence or happenings are different, though. Re: antibodies > > just read this below on endocrine web. now that's interesting about not > knowing whether the disease (hashi's) causes the the antibodies or rather the > antibodies causes the disease. > any comments? > > and also interesting that it can present with a nodule instead of antibodies. > > > also...talking about low levels of antibodies being associated with other > thyroid disease. uh...what ones? > > and btw, how many folks on this forum have had a goiter? I can remember back > in my mid 30s looking at my neck and thinking it looked big...but then it > went away...hasn't been that way in over a decade. > cindi > > Thyroid Antibodies. The body normally produces antibodies to foreign > substances such as bacteria; however, some people are found to have antibodies against > their own thyroid tissue. A condition known as Hashimoto's Thyroiditis is > associated with a high level of these thyroid antibodies in the blood. Whether > the antibodies cause the disease or whether the disease causes the antibodies is > not known; however, the finding of a high level of thyroid antibodies is > strong evidence of this disease. Occasionally, low levels of thyroid antibodies > are found with other types of thyroid disease. When Hashimoto's thyroiditis > presents as a thyroid nodule rather than a diffuse goiter, the thyroid antibodies > may not be present. > > Thyroid Antibodies. The body normally produces antibodies to foreign > substances such as bacteria; however, some people are found to have antibodies against > their own thyroid tissue. A condition known as Hashimoto's Thyroiditis is > associated with a high level of these thyroid antibodies in the blood. Whether > the antibodies cause the disease or whether the disease causes the antibodies is > not known; however, the finding of a high level of thyroid antibodies is > strong evidence of this disease. Occasionally, low levels of thyroid antibodies > are found with other types of thyroid disease. When Hashimoto's thyroiditis > presents as a thyroid nodule rather than a diffuse goiter, the thyroid antibodies > may not be present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 In a message dated 1/13/2005 8:24:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, marin@... writes: > all made so > differently, that it simply doesn't have to follow an exact pattern. One of > those cases in that article on the Psychiatric Manifestations of Hashimoto's > Thyroiditis, almost made me cry in anger, because it was a perfect > description of my beginnings and history of it. I presented with ALL mental > symptoms first, weight loss and anorexia same here mary...and i had the same reaction with I read that statement. and i did cry. and did i was really really mad. stupid damn doctors. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 In a message dated 1/13/2005 8:24:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, marin@... writes: > Those who wrote this article seem not to have a true understanding of what > Hashimoto's Disease is because of the statement they make about the nodule > presenting first with not having antibodies. The very definition of Hashi's > is thyroid disease caused by specific antibodies to thyroid i know. and that was in endocrineweb. i've bounced the thought around as to how you could have hashimoto's without antibodies...and the only thing i come up with is that you can have some type of gene for hashimoto's without antibodies. but antibodies have to come in somewhere. if not, then one is saying that hashimoto's is just a slow destruction of the gland. but that slow destruction doesn't happen without antibodies best i can determine. see...i'm talking in circles trying to figure out how they could state that. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 In a message dated 1/30/2005 12:05:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, kzlists@... writes: > Are Hashi's antibodies peroxidase or antithyroglobulin both over a certain percentage are indicative of Hashi's. but the peroxidase is probably the more conclusive one...it's a 95% sure of Hashi's if they are over the normal range. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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