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just read this below on endocrine web. now that's interesting about not

knowing whether the disease (hashi's) causes the the antibodies or rather the

antibodies causes the disease.

any comments?

and also interesting that it can present with a nodule instead of antibodies.

also...talking about low levels of antibodies being associated with other

thyroid disease. uh...what ones?

and btw, how many folks on this forum have had a goiter? I can remember back

in my mid 30s looking at my neck and thinking it looked big...but then it

went away...hasn't been that way in over a decade.

cindi

Thyroid Antibodies. The body normally produces antibodies to foreign

substances such as bacteria; however, some people are found to have antibodies

against

their own thyroid tissue. A condition known as Hashimoto's Thyroiditis is

associated with a high level of these thyroid antibodies in the blood. Whether

the antibodies cause the disease or whether the disease causes the antibodies is

not known; however, the finding of a high level of thyroid antibodies is

strong evidence of this disease. Occasionally, low levels of thyroid antibodies

are found with other types of thyroid disease. When Hashimoto's thyroiditis

presents as a thyroid nodule rather than a diffuse goiter, the thyroid

antibodies

may not be present.

Thyroid Antibodies. The body normally produces antibodies to foreign

substances such as bacteria; however, some people are found to have antibodies

against

their own thyroid tissue. A condition known as Hashimoto's Thyroiditis is

associated with a high level of these thyroid antibodies in the blood. Whether

the antibodies cause the disease or whether the disease causes the antibodies is

not known; however, the finding of a high level of thyroid antibodies is

strong evidence of this disease. Occasionally, low levels of thyroid antibodies

are found with other types of thyroid disease. When Hashimoto's thyroiditis

presents as a thyroid nodule rather than a diffuse goiter, the thyroid

antibodies

may not be present.

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In a message dated 1/10/2005 2:43:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,

martian.303@... writes:

> well - I've had nodules - so does this prove that I have hashi's? my

> anti-bodies are within normal, but I do have them.

>

> What is the definition of a goiter? I thought I had one years ago because my

> thyroid was swollen - sort of a hard lump - is that one?

>

well how about that...you and the nodules...i think WE know you have

Hashi's...it's just proving it to the docs i guess.

I think a goiter is an enlarged/swollen thyroid gland. somebody correct me

if i'm wrong. when my neck looked big to me...yes, the thyroid area was like a

hard lump.

cindi

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well - I've had nodules - so does this prove that I have hashi's? my anti-bodies

are within normal, but I do have them.

What is the definition of a goiter? I thought I had one years ago because my

thyroid was swollen - sort of a hard lump - is that one?

Cris

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just read this below on endocrine web. now that's interesting about not

knowing whether the disease (hashi's) causes the the antibodies or rather the

antibodies causes the disease.

any comments?

and also interesting that it can present with a nodule instead of antibodies.

also...talking about low levels of antibodies being associated with other

thyroid disease. uh...what ones?

and btw, how many folks on this forum have had a goiter? I can remember back

in my mid 30s looking at my neck and thinking it looked big...but then it

went away...hasn't been that way in over a decade.

cindi

Thyroid Antibodies. The body normally produces antibodies to foreign

substances such as bacteria; however, some people are found to have antibodies

against

their own thyroid tissue. A condition known as Hashimoto's Thyroiditis is

associated with a high level of these thyroid antibodies in the blood. Whether

the antibodies cause the disease or whether the disease causes the antibodies is

not known; however, the finding of a high level of thyroid antibodies is

strong evidence of this disease. Occasionally, low levels of thyroid antibodies

are found with other types of thyroid disease. When Hashimoto's thyroiditis

presents as a thyroid nodule rather than a diffuse goiter, the thyroid

antibodies

may not be present.

Thyroid Antibodies. The body normally produces antibodies to foreign

substances such as bacteria; however, some people are found to have antibodies

against

their own thyroid tissue. A condition known as Hashimoto's Thyroiditis is

associated with a high level of these thyroid antibodies in the blood. Whether

the antibodies cause the disease or whether the disease causes the antibodies is

not known; however, the finding of a high level of thyroid antibodies is

strong evidence of this disease. Occasionally, low levels of thyroid antibodies

are found with other types of thyroid disease. When Hashimoto's thyroiditis

presents as a thyroid nodule rather than a diffuse goiter, the thyroid

antibodies

may not be present.

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I doubt that I will ever be able to prove it to my doctor. you know - that

beloved test doesn't confirm it!

and even now, I have a hard lump there and it protrudes some. Not bad - so

doctors think it's normal. even tho it was never there until I started to have

problems.

Cris

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In a message dated 1/10/2005 2:43:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,

martian.303@... writes:

> well - I've had nodules - so does this prove that I have hashi's? my

> anti-bodies are within normal, but I do have them.

>

> What is the definition of a goiter? I thought I had one years ago because my

> thyroid was swollen - sort of a hard lump - is that one?

>

well how about that...you and the nodules...i think WE know you have

Hashi's...it's just proving it to the docs i guess.

I think a goiter is an enlarged/swollen thyroid gland. somebody correct me

if i'm wrong. when my neck looked big to me...yes, the thyroid area was like a

hard lump.

cindi

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which web site did you find this on?

Cris

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just read this below on endocrine web. now that's interesting about not

knowing whether the disease (hashi's) causes the the antibodies or rather the

antibodies causes the disease.

any comments?

and also interesting that it can present with a nodule instead of antibodies.

also...talking about low levels of antibodies being associated with other

thyroid disease. uh...what ones?

and btw, how many folks on this forum have had a goiter? I can remember back

in my mid 30s looking at my neck and thinking it looked big...but then it

went away...hasn't been that way in over a decade.

cindi

Thyroid Antibodies. The body normally produces antibodies to foreign

substances such as bacteria; however, some people are found to have antibodies

against

their own thyroid tissue. A condition known as Hashimoto's Thyroiditis is

associated with a high level of these thyroid antibodies in the blood. Whether

the antibodies cause the disease or whether the disease causes the antibodies is

not known; however, the finding of a high level of thyroid antibodies is

strong evidence of this disease. Occasionally, low levels of thyroid antibodies

are found with other types of thyroid disease. When Hashimoto's thyroiditis

presents as a thyroid nodule rather than a diffuse goiter, the thyroid

antibodies

may not be present.

Thyroid Antibodies. The body normally produces antibodies to foreign

substances such as bacteria; however, some people are found to have antibodies

against

their own thyroid tissue. A condition known as Hashimoto's Thyroiditis is

associated with a high level of these thyroid antibodies in the blood. Whether

the antibodies cause the disease or whether the disease causes the antibodies is

not known; however, the finding of a high level of thyroid antibodies is

strong evidence of this disease. Occasionally, low levels of thyroid antibodies

are found with other types of thyroid disease. When Hashimoto's thyroiditis

presents as a thyroid nodule rather than a diffuse goiter, the thyroid

antibodies

may not be present.

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Those who wrote this article seem not to have a true understanding of what

Hashimoto's Disease is because of the statement they make about the nodule

presenting first with not having antibodies. The very definition of Hashi's

is thyroid disease caused by specific antibodies to thyroid. There are

other thyroid conditions that are similar to it but not identical to it

which have not antibodies, at least not at the time of diagnosis and

scrutiny. It is even believed by some authorities that, even though Grave's

and Hashi's were given two different names for two different thyroid

disorders, they may very well be two different presentations on opposite

ends of the spectrum of the SAME disease. Maybe with just an " add-on "

antibody, with the Grave's. When categorizing names of thyroid diseases,

originally, they just decided to make distinctions in particular physical

conditions of the thyroid and what they THINK makes them progress. Looking

at listings of all these thyroid condition names, it CAN get pretty

confusing, unless you know the molecular structures involved in this and

understand them well. I know that Grave's and Hashi's both do seem to have

strong genetic tendencies for chromosomal abnormalities. As a matter of

fact, it has been found that whole families with either one of them do have

very certain chromosomal abnormalities, in those who have had the

opportunity to even have genetic testing. I think there's not that many of

us who've had this opportunity. The human genome project solidified these

findings, and for many other diseases as well. Whether a disease manifests

or not, and why it manifests in one person with these genetics, but not in

another, is part of the mystery. Environment, emotional stressors,

lifestyles, things that happen to a person physically, mentally,

emotionally, is my best guess, but that's all it is, is a guess. The

antibodies DO create the disease itself, but noone really knows why we form

the antibodies, that's the mystery. I don't understand why the writers of

this article don't understand (as has been written in many many other

places, BTW) that Hashi's doesn't even have to present with a goiter, that

in some people, the mental symptoms can present first, still, in other

people, the goiter can present first, nodules can present first with no

goiter, nervousness and anxiety can present first, weight loss can present

first, etc., etc., etc............It is different patterns from person to

person, but what happens to the thyroid later on, on the downhill slide is

basically the same, just at a different rate of speed, and with different

symptoms presenting differently from person to person. We are all made so

differently, that it simply doesn't have to follow an exact pattern. One of

those cases in that article on the Psychiatric Manifestations of Hashimoto's

Thyroiditis, almost made me cry in anger, because it was a perfect

description of my beginnings and history of it. I presented with ALL mental

symptoms first, weight loss and anorexia, with almost everything they

described there, but the only difference was that I WAS an abused spouse, so

it WAS part of the whole scheme of things. The downhill slide she went

through was very similar to mine, it's just that I didn't get far enough to

have to be committed to a mental health facility (I probably would have

welcomed the help, frankly! I had NOone to back me, as I was also very

secretive about having ANY kind of weakness, but I did have ONE friend who

was aware that something was wrong). Unless you've had that " free floating

anxiety " , you just can't really describe it to anyone. Mine started out

that way, but it went on for SEVEN yrs, if you can believe that anyone could

exist like that for that long a time, but I stayed full of tranquilizers,

antidepressants and the like, but STILL had this. It wasn't until I

actually went into full fledged hypo within a very short period of time,

that I was discovered, and, even then, no mention of Hashi's antibodies was

ever made, except for the statement from the diagnosing doctor that

" Hashimoto's is the most common cause of Hypothyroidism " . I had no idea

what that statement even meant at that time, back in 1993. There was NO

explanation of what that even entailed or what kind of terrible things was

to come even in the future, let alone the nightmarish existence of being in

constant fear and not even knowing why. With the advent of " the crash " , the

free floating anxiety ended, in my case, and, as I've said before, this is

what I've been saying, when I say " it's like looking back at someone else " ,

as in another person. Other persons " experiences in the sequence or

happenings are different, though.

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>

> just read this below on endocrine web. now that's interesting about not

> knowing whether the disease (hashi's) causes the the antibodies or rather

the

> antibodies causes the disease.

> any comments?

>

> and also interesting that it can present with a nodule instead of

antibodies.

>

>

> also...talking about low levels of antibodies being associated with other

> thyroid disease. uh...what ones?

>

> and btw, how many folks on this forum have had a goiter? I can remember

back

> in my mid 30s looking at my neck and thinking it looked big...but then it

> went away...hasn't been that way in over a decade.

> cindi

>

> Thyroid Antibodies. The body normally produces antibodies to foreign

> substances such as bacteria; however, some people are found to have

antibodies against

> their own thyroid tissue. A condition known as Hashimoto's Thyroiditis is

> associated with a high level of these thyroid antibodies in the blood.

Whether

> the antibodies cause the disease or whether the disease causes the

antibodies is

> not known; however, the finding of a high level of thyroid antibodies is

> strong evidence of this disease. Occasionally, low levels of thyroid

antibodies

> are found with other types of thyroid disease. When Hashimoto's

thyroiditis

> presents as a thyroid nodule rather than a diffuse goiter, the thyroid

antibodies

> may not be present.

>

> Thyroid Antibodies. The body normally produces antibodies to foreign

> substances such as bacteria; however, some people are found to have

antibodies against

> their own thyroid tissue. A condition known as Hashimoto's Thyroiditis is

> associated with a high level of these thyroid antibodies in the blood.

Whether

> the antibodies cause the disease or whether the disease causes the

antibodies is

> not known; however, the finding of a high level of thyroid antibodies is

> strong evidence of this disease. Occasionally, low levels of thyroid

antibodies

> are found with other types of thyroid disease. When Hashimoto's

thyroiditis

> presents as a thyroid nodule rather than a diffuse goiter, the thyroid

antibodies

> may not be present.

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In a message dated 1/13/2005 8:24:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, marin@...

writes:

> all made so

> differently, that it simply doesn't have to follow an exact pattern. One of

> those cases in that article on the Psychiatric Manifestations of Hashimoto's

> Thyroiditis, almost made me cry in anger, because it was a perfect

> description of my beginnings and history of it. I presented with ALL mental

> symptoms first, weight loss and anorexia

same here mary...and i had the same reaction with I read that statement. and

i did cry. and did i was really really mad.

stupid damn doctors.

cindi

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In a message dated 1/13/2005 8:24:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, marin@...

writes:

> Those who wrote this article seem not to have a true understanding of what

> Hashimoto's Disease is because of the statement they make about the nodule

> presenting first with not having antibodies. The very definition of Hashi's

> is thyroid disease caused by specific antibodies to thyroid

i know. and that was in endocrineweb. i've bounced the thought around as to

how you could have hashimoto's without antibodies...and the only thing i come

up with is that you can have some type of gene for hashimoto's without

antibodies. but antibodies have to come in somewhere. if not, then one is

saying

that hashimoto's is just a slow destruction of the gland. but that slow

destruction doesn't happen without antibodies best i can determine.

see...i'm talking in circles trying to figure out how they could state that.

cindi

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In a message dated 1/30/2005 12:05:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kzlists@... writes:

> Are Hashi's antibodies peroxidase or antithyroglobulin

both over a certain percentage are indicative of Hashi's. but the peroxidase

is probably the more conclusive one...it's a 95% sure of Hashi's if they are

over the normal range.

cindi

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