Re: a Q for our in-house pros

June 28, 2003

I had a sudden wave of intense nausea, I believe, when implantation occurred.

Then, for me, it lasted just 12 weeks.

Jeanne

RNY 06/05/01-385/153

Tyler born 3.5 wks early 06/24/03

joining big sisters Alyssa-14 & Kellie-10

June 28, 2003

Lenore,

They say its as early as implantation, I can almost guess when this bean

implanted b/c I was exhausted beyond exhausted couldn't even get the shower to

wake me up! Little did I know thats what it was at that point.. I thought I

was

just getting sick!

*~Joy~*

Lap RNY @ 491lbs

town Memorial

Dr. Bertha

2/26/01

Mommy to:

(1-9-99) & Saralyn (12-15-99)

AND

Hunter

*arriving by c-section*

07/03/03

June 28, 2003

I think it depends on the person. I start feeling soreness in my breasts and

nausea at 5-6 weeks. I know if you are pregnant with multiples it can be

earlier because of the extra HCG, thats according to my OB.

June 29, 2003

Hi everyone..........

I have a question. Does anyone ever get sore boobs from ovulateing? I mean

my period is every 33 days, and the last one was the 7th of June. And one

day last week, i think it was Wednesday i woke up with such sore boobs.

Never had that before.

What do you girls think?

Tracey

Northern MN

----- Original Message -----

June 30, 2003

Lenore,

Do you think you are preggers?

~ BabyCopia ~

Unique and Original Baby Products

~ Preggie Pops Now Available! ~

www.babycopia.com

a Q for our in-house pros

Can anybody tell me how long it takes for your body to know it's

pregnant? IS it when the hormones (which is when?) kick in?

Implantation? The moment the eggy and spermy meet? When?

Lenore

June 30, 2003

Lenore,

Do you think you are preggers?

~ BabyCopia ~

Unique and Original Baby Products

~ Preggie Pops Now Available! ~

www.babycopia.com

a Q for our in-house pros

Can anybody tell me how long it takes for your body to know it's

pregnant? IS it when the hormones (which is when?) kick in?

Implantation? The moment the eggy and spermy meet? When?

Lenore

July 4, 2003

Re: a Q for our in-house pros

Lenore,

Do you think you are preggers?

~ BabyCopia ~

Unique and Original Baby Products

~ Preggie Pops Now Available! ~

www.babycopia.com

a Q for our in-house pros

Can anybody tell me how long it takes for your body to know it's

pregnant? IS it when the hormones (which is when?) kick in?

Implantation? The moment the eggy and spermy meet? When?

Lenore

July 4, 2003

Lenore,

Symptoms of pregnancy can be different for the same woman with different

children so you can imagine the variation amongst women. The basic signs are

missed period, morning sickness, fatigue, sometimes irritability (like PMS) and

can

begin at conception for some or not at all for others. I just did a web

search (which you could also do to get more clarity) and found this site which I

thought you might find helpful. http://www.am-i-pregnant.com/ " >ParentsNest: advice on pregnancy and tests

for

potential and pregnant mothers

I'm not one of the nurses on board here, but hope this is helpful. :-)

Mom to Dejah (4) and Soon...

TWINS! EDD 01/09/04

RNY 11/01/01 -160

In a message dated 7/4/03 3:45:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

lenorel@... writes:

> RE: a Q for our in-house pros

>

> No, I was just wondering about what kicks in when and sets it all in

> motion for your body to know you are preggars. None of the " in-house

> pros " answered me yet. I am still hoping...

> Lenore

July 4, 2003

I'm no " pro " (lol) but I thought I answered you *or read where

someone wrote what I was going to say? "

Many female hormones work together to create a " pregnancy "

Hcg is the most well known of the hormone levels. As far as your

body knowing when it is pregnant, it varies from woman to woman

depending upon all of the factors that got her pregnant in the first

place. (time of ovulation, intercourse, time it takes for her egg

and sperm to meet, fertilize, migrate and implant).

Days Post Ovulation/ Weeks/Days since LMP Average Singleton HCG Level

10 3w3d 25

12 3w5d 50

14 4w0d 100

16 4w2d 200

Most pregnancy tests detect Hcg at levels of 50 (many claim they

test earlier but if YOUR particular body is testing too early, it

doesn't matter how early you test. (the later the better for many,

although impatience usually wins out).

Each individual woman is different and unique though.

The more you read into fertility books and websites, you will see so

much written about luteal phases, mid cycles, ovulatory cycles, and

the role that progesterone plays in pregnancy. Estrogen too, of

course.

http://www.tryingtoconceive.com has MANY MANY reference resources,

graphs and explanations for most any question you can think to ask.

Many women trying to conceive have physicians that do bloodwork (I

strongly urge you to request this, especially if infertility seems

to be a problem). I have seen many OB's that don't do bloodwork and

they are the ones that seem to have more problem prone fertility

patients.

Some hormone levels that can be checked are:

*Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH)* Day 3 3-20 mIU/ml FSH is

often used as a gauge of ovarian reserve. In general, under 6 is

excellent, 6-9 is good, 9-10 fair, 10-13 diminished reserve, 13+

very hard to stimulate. In PCOS testing, the LH:FSH ratio may be

used in the diagnosis. The ratio is usually close to 1:1, but if the

LH is higher, it is one possible indication of PCOS.

*Estradiol (E2)* Day 3 25-75 pg/ml Levels on the lower end tend to

be better for stimulating. Abnormally high levels on day 3 may

indicate existence of a functional cyst or diminished ovarian

reserve.

*Estradiol (E2) Day 4-5 of meds* 100+ pg/ml or 2x Day 3 There are no

charts showing E2 levels during stimulation since there is a wide

variation depending on how many follicles are being produced and

their size. Most doctors will consider any increase in E2 a positive

sign, but others use a formula of either 100 pg/ml after 4 days of

stims, or a doubling in E2 from the level taken on cycle day 3.

*Estradiol (E2) Surge/hCG day* 200 + pg/ml The levels should be

200-600 per mature (18 mm) follicle. These levels are sometimes

lower in overweight women.

*Luteinizing Hormone (LH)* Day 3 < 7 mIU/ml A normal LH level is

similar to FSH. An LH that is higher than FSH is one indication of

PCOS.

*Luteinizing Hormone (LH)* Surge Day > 20 mIU/ml The LH surge leads

to ovulation within 48 hours.

Prolactin Day 3 < 24 ng/ml Increased prolactin levels can interfere

with ovulation. They may also indicate further testing (MRI) should

be done to check for a pituitary tumor. Some women with PCOS also

have hyperprolactinemia.

*Progesterone (P4)* Day 3 < 1.5 ng/ml Often called the follicular

phase level. An elevated level may indicate a lower pregnancy rate.

*Progesterone (P4)* 7 dpo > 15 ng/ml A progesterone test is done to

confirm ovulation. When a follicle releases its egg, it becomes what

is called a corpus luteum and produces progesterone. A level over 5

probably indicates some form of ovulation, but most doctors want to

see a level over 10 on a natural cycle, and a level over 15 on a

medicated cycle. There is no mid-luteal level that predicts

pregnancy. Some say the test may be more accurate if done first

thing in the morning after fasting.

As I often have, I suggest http://www.tryingtoconceive.com to help

you with so many of your questions. It's been an INVALUABLE resource

for me personally and profesionally!

I don't know if I answered your question or not, but I think a

simple answer is *every woman is different and it depends upon the

timing of her ovulation, intercourse, fertilization and implantion.

When fertiliation then implantation occur, you'll begin having

increased Hcg levels. I used the FAM of fertility and suspected I

was pregnant because my BBT stayed high adn remained high. On day 18

of my cycle (day 1 being the 1st day of my period), it was still

high and this was the day I had a positive pregnancy test.

The good Lord knows how to make these bodies of our function,

although we'll probably NEVER figure it all out in our short time on

Earth!

Lenore, if you have any other questions, please ask! I'm certain

some of the others have some input on this as well!

Sheila

July 4, 2003

Most pregnancy tests are positive on day 12 past ovulation.

Which goes along with the guidelines below. So I would venture to

say that around day 12 past ovulation (assuming you know when you

ovulated) your body should be knowing and showing it's pregnant.

10 3w3d 25

12 3w5d 50

14 4w0d 100

16 4w2d 200

Also, since my OB was suspicious of an ectopic, he did Hcg and

progesterone level checks several times. In both, he wanted to see

them rise (no fall).

I still don't know if I answered your question or not! lol lol

Sheila

July 4, 2003

First, Shelia, thanks so much for being such a great information

source! I hope all is well. I was wondering where you were just the

other day. I just hadn't seen a post from you in a while.

Second, Lenore, I can just tell you from my experiences with getting

pg. I " knew " I was pg (or going to be pg) at about 1 week past O

(usually between 5 and 7 dpo). My breasts become VERY sore (even more

so than what I get with my normal PMS junk), I can't think straight,

confussion, like I can't hardly put two thoughts together, and I

have " PMS " from hell!!! I never take a pg test before 14 dpo because

I hate to see a negative. I went through too many years of that when

we were trying to get my dh's fertility probs straightened out

(prostate infection). Anyway, I just wanted to share that with you.

Hope it helps some.

Janice

Tessa Louise 8/6/02

Kendra Leanne edd 9/9/03

WLS 3/8/01

July 4, 2003

Janice,

Thank you for noticing my absence! It's been a very busy summer!

We have been on 2 vacations (Myrtle Beach SC and a little one near

here), my son was saved and was just baptized last weekend, my

parent's home was a cinder block away from flooding (they lost a

Ford Tempo, VW Jetta and Chevy Cavalier, riding lawnmower, 2 push

mowers, 3 weedeaters, a dog house, picnic table (among many other

outdoor items) in the flood. The flood waters came up on them very

suddenly (20 minutes tops and my poor little Mom was stuck inside.

My aunt had to send her boyfriend over to evacuate her from the

house. The flood water undercurrent almost swept h er away as they

were leaving the house. Then she gets up on the highway and her hips

and legs gave out on her (she needs another back surgery) and she

fell in the roadway with a car coming at her! Good thing she is a

tiny person or my aunt's BF wouldn't have been able to pick her up!

My Dad's aunt is near death in California and I am trying to get him

to fly out to be with her. I dont think he wants to see her like

that though. Bless their hearts.

Oh what else.... we'll we're *thinking about* thinking about trying

to try to have another baby this month (LOL). and....ummmm... let's

see waht else.....I am going back to work Tuesday (part-time on

Labor and Delivery) & I have to testify Monday at a Federal Murder

Trial from a case I worked in the ER 3 years ago. It's been a very,

very busy summer for us!

Thank you for reading this far! lol

Sheila

p.s. My hubby had prostatitis when we were TTC Christian and was on

Doxycyline at the time of conception. The OB said it was probably

one of the best things that we could have done!

July 4, 2003