Re: thats it!!!! i feel like giving up!!!

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I don't know . I'm so short fused these days and I'm just hot all the time. I was on Eltroxin 100mcg for 25 years or so. I can't say that I feel any better and I never had the rise and fall during the day. I'll see what my labs next week say and then I'll make my decision. It's been 3 months now, and I think that's long enough to look for improvement. I may get it for a day or two and then I'm back to being more tired and cranky then I was before. My thyroid is underactive and will do some work on it's own if I don't overmedicate.

Why is it that I didn't have the ups and downs on the levothyroxine. I started taking it and had steady improvement with a few dose increases until I was stabilized and stayed at that dose for over 25 years. I really wanted the Armour to by my miracle, but I don't feel any better and most days I feel worse.

I still have a tough time justifying a full replacement dose just because Armour suppresses my TSH to the point where I can't get the most natural thyroid hormone of all - that produced by my own thyroid. I won't change anything until my labs come back, and if I don't see any improvement in my T3 levels, then I may just go back on the levo. That's just what I'm thinking at the moment, but I'll discuss it with the doc as well... Judy

Hey you two, just remember this stuff takes time. It is tremendously frustrating, but if you give up now, you won't feel better later, and it will just delay you that much longer before you do feel better. You have to give the replacement meds time to work, the body time to use the meds and heal, and the doses time to be effective as you slowly inch your way toward wellness. Hang in there!

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>

> i can't seem to take enough medicine. the t3 that is. i go up a

little,

> and start to see improvements, and then it goes down hill again. i

just

> feel like laying down, never taking any medicine again, and

letting

> nature take it course!! i'm so tired and foggy, i can't think

straight.

> i forget so much. i just don't know what to do. kelly

>

Something is obviously up..list meds, labs, dosages( include

vitamins) ..how you take them etc so we can get a better picture of

what is going on..

Looking for labs with ranges and then something like

7 am.. meds( strength)

7:30 am food..

8 am vitamins..

Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

>

> i can't seem to take enough medicine. the t3 that is. i go up a

little,

> and start to see improvements, and then it goes down hill again. i

just

> feel like laying down, never taking any medicine again, and

letting

> nature take it course!! i'm so tired and foggy, i can't think

straight.

> i forget so much. i just don't know what to do. kelly

>

Something is obviously up..list meds, labs, dosages( include

vitamins) ..how you take them etc so we can get a better picture of

what is going on..

Looking for labs with ranges and then something like

7 am.. meds( strength)

7:30 am food..

8 am vitamins..

Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

>

> i can't seem to take enough medicine. the t3 that is. i go up a

little,

> and start to see improvements, and then it goes down hill again. i

just

> feel like laying down, never taking any medicine again, and

letting

> nature take it course!! i'm so tired and foggy, i can't think

straight.

> i forget so much. i just don't know what to do. kelly

>

Something is obviously up..list meds, labs, dosages( include

vitamins) ..how you take them etc so we can get a better picture of

what is going on..

Looking for labs with ranges and then something like

7 am.. meds( strength)

7:30 am food..

8 am vitamins..

Kats3boys

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Oh yes I think we can all relate to that feeling but are you going to let them, whoever they are win, no, just put one foot in front of another, even if it takes an hour, just know that you will improve at some point. I am keeping you in my thoughts and prayers. Best, bubbe gittel

[Guest guest]

Perhaps you feel worse because your body needs it so badly that it is absorbing it so fast it wants more, thus making you feel worse to tell you it wants more? How exactly do mean, "worse" do you mean more hypo symptoms? What dose of levo did you stop at when you switched to Armour? Maybe you need to raise the dose? How did you switch, all at once or gradually?

Re: thats it!!!! i feel like giving up!!!

Why is it that I didn't have the ups and downs on the levothyroxine. I started taking it and had steady improvement with a few dose increases until I was stabilized and stayed at that dose for over 25 years. I really wanted the Armour to by my miracle, but I don't feel any better and most days I feel worse.Synthroid is a T4 only medication..it relies on the body to convert it to T3..so this is done on a as needed basis.Armour contains T4 and T3, 60 mgs ( a grain) is 38mcg of T4 and 9mcg of T3...T4 has a half life of 7 days..T3 has a half life of 1 1/2 hours.With Armour you get your little high from the T3 that your body needs but then the rest of the time it is left up to conversion of the T4..unfortunately most people because of the T3 in Armour do not get enough T4 from Armour to convert to T3..this is why you get the swings and ups and downs during the day.Some people deal with this by adding in extra T4 and taking Armour and Synthroid together. Others deal with this by multidosing the T3, say taking 1/2 a grain , 1/4 grain at a time and spreading it out through out the day. this way you get a more even T3 effect and usually by taking smaller amounts through the day you can take a higher amount of Armour allowing your body more T4 at the same time.Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

Perhaps you feel worse because your body needs it so badly that it is absorbing it so fast it wants more, thus making you feel worse to tell you it wants more? How exactly do mean, "worse" do you mean more hypo symptoms? What dose of levo did you stop at when you switched to Armour? Maybe you need to raise the dose? How did you switch, all at once or gradually?

Re: thats it!!!! i feel like giving up!!!

Why is it that I didn't have the ups and downs on the levothyroxine. I started taking it and had steady improvement with a few dose increases until I was stabilized and stayed at that dose for over 25 years. I really wanted the Armour to by my miracle, but I don't feel any better and most days I feel worse.Synthroid is a T4 only medication..it relies on the body to convert it to T3..so this is done on a as needed basis.Armour contains T4 and T3, 60 mgs ( a grain) is 38mcg of T4 and 9mcg of T3...T4 has a half life of 7 days..T3 has a half life of 1 1/2 hours.With Armour you get your little high from the T3 that your body needs but then the rest of the time it is left up to conversion of the T4..unfortunately most people because of the T3 in Armour do not get enough T4 from Armour to convert to T3..this is why you get the swings and ups and downs during the day.Some people deal with this by adding in extra T4 and taking Armour and Synthroid together. Others deal with this by multidosing the T3, say taking 1/2 a grain , 1/4 grain at a time and spreading it out through out the day. this way you get a more even T3 effect and usually by taking smaller amounts through the day you can take a higher amount of Armour allowing your body more T4 at the same time.Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

Perhaps you feel worse because your body needs it so badly that it is absorbing it so fast it wants more, thus making you feel worse to tell you it wants more? How exactly do mean, "worse" do you mean more hypo symptoms? What dose of levo did you stop at when you switched to Armour? Maybe you need to raise the dose? How did you switch, all at once or gradually?

Re: thats it!!!! i feel like giving up!!!

Why is it that I didn't have the ups and downs on the levothyroxine. I started taking it and had steady improvement with a few dose increases until I was stabilized and stayed at that dose for over 25 years. I really wanted the Armour to by my miracle, but I don't feel any better and most days I feel worse.Synthroid is a T4 only medication..it relies on the body to convert it to T3..so this is done on a as needed basis.Armour contains T4 and T3, 60 mgs ( a grain) is 38mcg of T4 and 9mcg of T3...T4 has a half life of 7 days..T3 has a half life of 1 1/2 hours.With Armour you get your little high from the T3 that your body needs but then the rest of the time it is left up to conversion of the T4..unfortunately most people because of the T3 in Armour do not get enough T4 from Armour to convert to T3..this is why you get the swings and ups and downs during the day.Some people deal with this by adding in extra T4 and taking Armour and Synthroid together. Others deal with this by multidosing the T3, say taking 1/2 a grain , 1/4 grain at a time and spreading it out through out the day. this way you get a more even T3 effect and usually by taking smaller amounts through the day you can take a higher amount of Armour allowing your body more T4 at the same time.Kats3boys

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Hi, all,

I have a slightly different take on the T3 subject. I, too, took T3 with Synthroid for awhile. And for awhile, it worked. But then, it stopped giving me any benefit and I eventually stopped T3 altogether and am now just on Synthroid. I talked to my endocrinologist about this, and she said that there's a growing opinion among thyroid docs that T3's effectiveness does stop eventually. They don't know why. I'll be very interested to see any studies that they might do, but I was relieved that, at least, I wasn't unusual.

Maureen Pratt

www.maureenpratt.com

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I have found the same thing Judy. I switched from the Levo/Cytomel and just felt...no difference pre-med other than warm hands and feet and more energy.

I made the leap to Armour expecting a noticable change and nothing—in fact I am more tired, sleep longer, which is ok so far, and am moodier.... I dunno what’s up, I was hoping Armour would be the awesome answer

Sue

I don't know . I'm so short fused these days and I'm just hot all the time. I was on Eltroxin 100mcg for 25 years or so. I can't say that I feel any better and I never had the rise and fall during the day. I'll see what my labs next week say and then I'll make my decision. It's been 3 months now, and I think that's long enough to look for improvement. I may get it for a day or two and then I'm back to being more tired and cranky then I was before. My thyroid is underactive and will do some work on it's own if I don't overmedicate.

Why is it that I didn't have the ups and downs on the levothyroxine. I started taking it and had steady improvement with a few dose increases until I was stabilized and stayed at that dose for over 25 years. I really wanted the Armour to by my miracle, but I don't feel any better and most days I feel worse.

I still have a tough time justifying a full replacement dose just because Armour suppresses my TSH to the point where I can't get the most natural thyroid hormone of all - that produced by my own thyroid. I won't change anything until my labs come back, and if I don't see any improvement in my T3 levels, then I may just go back on the levo. That's just what I'm thinking at the moment, but I'll discuss it with the doc as well... Judy

Hey you two, just remember this stuff takes time. It is tremendously frustrating, but if you give up now, you won't feel better later, and it will just delay you that much longer before you do feel better. You have to give the replacement meds time to work, the body time to use the meds and heal, and the doses time to be effective as you slowly inch your way toward wellness. Hang in there!