Re: Vent: Uncooperative companies!

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These companies CLEARLY list all gluten grains -- IF THEY EXIST. So, if you

see " questionable " ingredients (like " modified food starch " or " Natrual

flavorings " ) and you do NOT see the word " wheat " , " barley " , " rye " or

" oats " - it doesn't contain any of those gluten grains. If there were a

problem ingredient, it would say " natural flavorgs (wheat) " .

Yes, there are a few companies that will say " we don't know, don't bother

asking us " . But the overwhelming majority that tell you to " read the label "

are, in fact, those you should seek out to use (Kraft and Unilever, for

example), as all you do have to do is read the label. There is nothing for

them to check, no reseach needed - all the information you need to see if a

product is gf is clearly displayed on the label. Many more companies than

Kraft have this policy and more are starting it every day.

You'll find you'll get much farther along in finding safe choices by asking

" do you label all ingredients derived from wheat, barley, rye or oats with

the name of the grain? " than asking " is it gluten free " or " do you use

gluten? " . Especially since " gluten " is a generic word in the food industry

that means the protein of any grain (it's the legal definition right now,

doesn't matter that it doesn't help those with CD - it's been the definition

of the word for hundreds or thousands of years). So " gluten " can be " corn

gluten " or " rice gluten " (you see it now and then in human foods, but

especially in pet foods, as it's a byproduct of making starches). So long as

they don't add redined grain protein (gluten) to a food, they can give you

non-helpful answers like " we don't add gluten to our products " . Asking more

specifcally if any ingredients are derived from one of the four grains will

get much more helpful answers (including: if we did, it would say so on the

label). And for some companies (like Walmart), the same can of a product

will have different ingredients in different parts of the country or in

different size containers (Swanson's Broths). So, readng the label becomes

extremely necessary. For other companies (Heinz), they would label any grain

ingredient, but go even further with a list of UPC codes of products made in

facilities where no wheat is used (making it hard to shop their frozen

potatoes without carrying that list along to the store).

> -----Original Message-----

>

> NO! THAT IS NOT SO! I would not have contacted them if they had

> clearly listed them!!!! I contacted them (as I said in a earlier post)

> because they were products I had from pre GF days and there were some

> questionable ingreedients! I COULD NOT tell from the lable.

> They should be boycotted!! These companies need to realize that we

> are a large chunk of the market and being polite and cooperative is

> to their advantage! The companies did not offer to check and get back

> to me, they responded imediately with rude responses that were

> unhelpfull! If I was sure a company listed all sources of gluten

> (like Kraft) I would not waste my time!

>

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These companies CLEARLY list all gluten grains -- IF THEY EXIST. So, if you

see " questionable " ingredients (like " modified food starch " or " Natrual

flavorings " ) and you do NOT see the word " wheat " , " barley " , " rye " or

" oats " - it doesn't contain any of those gluten grains. If there were a

problem ingredient, it would say " natural flavorgs (wheat) " .

Yes, there are a few companies that will say " we don't know, don't bother

asking us " . But the overwhelming majority that tell you to " read the label "

are, in fact, those you should seek out to use (Kraft and Unilever, for

example), as all you do have to do is read the label. There is nothing for

them to check, no reseach needed - all the information you need to see if a

product is gf is clearly displayed on the label. Many more companies than

Kraft have this policy and more are starting it every day.

You'll find you'll get much farther along in finding safe choices by asking

" do you label all ingredients derived from wheat, barley, rye or oats with

the name of the grain? " than asking " is it gluten free " or " do you use

gluten? " . Especially since " gluten " is a generic word in the food industry

that means the protein of any grain (it's the legal definition right now,

doesn't matter that it doesn't help those with CD - it's been the definition

of the word for hundreds or thousands of years). So " gluten " can be " corn

gluten " or " rice gluten " (you see it now and then in human foods, but

especially in pet foods, as it's a byproduct of making starches). So long as

they don't add redined grain protein (gluten) to a food, they can give you

non-helpful answers like " we don't add gluten to our products " . Asking more

specifcally if any ingredients are derived from one of the four grains will

get much more helpful answers (including: if we did, it would say so on the

label). And for some companies (like Walmart), the same can of a product

will have different ingredients in different parts of the country or in

different size containers (Swanson's Broths). So, readng the label becomes

extremely necessary. For other companies (Heinz), they would label any grain

ingredient, but go even further with a list of UPC codes of products made in

facilities where no wheat is used (making it hard to shop their frozen

potatoes without carrying that list along to the store).

> -----Original Message-----

>

> NO! THAT IS NOT SO! I would not have contacted them if they had

> clearly listed them!!!! I contacted them (as I said in a earlier post)

> because they were products I had from pre GF days and there were some

> questionable ingreedients! I COULD NOT tell from the lable.

> They should be boycotted!! These companies need to realize that we

> are a large chunk of the market and being polite and cooperative is

> to their advantage! The companies did not offer to check and get back

> to me, they responded imediately with rude responses that were

> unhelpfull! If I was sure a company listed all sources of gluten

> (like Kraft) I would not waste my time!

>

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These companies CLEARLY list all gluten grains -- IF THEY EXIST. So, if you

see " questionable " ingredients (like " modified food starch " or " Natrual

flavorings " ) and you do NOT see the word " wheat " , " barley " , " rye " or

" oats " - it doesn't contain any of those gluten grains. If there were a

problem ingredient, it would say " natural flavorgs (wheat) " .

Yes, there are a few companies that will say " we don't know, don't bother

asking us " . But the overwhelming majority that tell you to " read the label "

are, in fact, those you should seek out to use (Kraft and Unilever, for

example), as all you do have to do is read the label. There is nothing for

them to check, no reseach needed - all the information you need to see if a

product is gf is clearly displayed on the label. Many more companies than

Kraft have this policy and more are starting it every day.

You'll find you'll get much farther along in finding safe choices by asking

" do you label all ingredients derived from wheat, barley, rye or oats with

the name of the grain? " than asking " is it gluten free " or " do you use

gluten? " . Especially since " gluten " is a generic word in the food industry

that means the protein of any grain (it's the legal definition right now,

doesn't matter that it doesn't help those with CD - it's been the definition

of the word for hundreds or thousands of years). So " gluten " can be " corn

gluten " or " rice gluten " (you see it now and then in human foods, but

especially in pet foods, as it's a byproduct of making starches). So long as

they don't add redined grain protein (gluten) to a food, they can give you

non-helpful answers like " we don't add gluten to our products " . Asking more

specifcally if any ingredients are derived from one of the four grains will

get much more helpful answers (including: if we did, it would say so on the

label). And for some companies (like Walmart), the same can of a product

will have different ingredients in different parts of the country or in

different size containers (Swanson's Broths). So, readng the label becomes

extremely necessary. For other companies (Heinz), they would label any grain

ingredient, but go even further with a list of UPC codes of products made in

facilities where no wheat is used (making it hard to shop their frozen

potatoes without carrying that list along to the store).

> -----Original Message-----

>

> NO! THAT IS NOT SO! I would not have contacted them if they had

> clearly listed them!!!! I contacted them (as I said in a earlier post)

> because they were products I had from pre GF days and there were some

> questionable ingreedients! I COULD NOT tell from the lable.

> They should be boycotted!! These companies need to realize that we

> are a large chunk of the market and being polite and cooperative is

> to their advantage! The companies did not offer to check and get back

> to me, they responded imediately with rude responses that were

> unhelpfull! If I was sure a company listed all sources of gluten

> (like Kraft) I would not waste my time!

>

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NOT ALL COMPANIES CLEARLY LIST ALL GLUTEN GRAINS!!!!!!!

If you had even read what I posted I said Kraft was a very helpful

company! I regularly purchase Kraft and Mayer because of their

policy! They were not one of the ones I was complaining about! I

HAVE GOT SICK FROM " NATURAL FLAVORS " THAT DID NOT SAY (WHEAT)!! I do

not know what makes you think all companies clearly lable- while I am

new to this I know from experience they do not! I have no problem

reading labels, but that is not always enough!

>

> These companies CLEARLY list all gluten grains -- IF THEY EXIST.

So, if you

> see " questionable " ingredients (like " modified food starch "

or " Natrual

> flavorings " ) and you do NOT see the word " wheat " , " barley " , " rye " or

> " oats " - it doesn't contain any of those gluten grains. If there

were a

> problem ingredient, it would say " natural flavorgs (wheat) " .

>

> Yes, there are a few companies that will say " we don't know, don't

bother

> asking us " . But the overwhelming majority that tell you to " read

the label "

> are, in fact, those you should seek out to use (Kraft and Unilever,

for

> example), as all you do have to do is read the label. There is

nothing for

> them to check, no reseach needed - all the information you need to

see if a

> product is gf is clearly displayed on the label. Many more

companies than

> Kraft have this policy and more are starting it every day.

>

> You'll find you'll get much farther along in finding safe choices

by asking

> " do you label all ingredients derived from wheat, barley, rye or

oats with

> the name of the grain? " than asking " is it gluten free " or " do you

use

> gluten? " . Especially since " gluten " is a generic word in the food

industry

> that means the protein of any grain (it's the legal definition

right now,

> doesn't matter that it doesn't help those with CD - it's been the

definition

> of the word for hundreds or thousands of years). So " gluten " can

be " corn

> gluten " or " rice gluten " (you see it now and then in human foods,

but

> especially in pet foods, as it's a byproduct of making starches).

So long as

> they don't add redined grain protein (gluten) to a food, they can

give you

> non-helpful answers like " we don't add gluten to our products " .

Asking more

> specifcally if any ingredients are derived from one of the four

grains will

> get much more helpful answers (including: if we did, it would say

so on the

> label). And for some companies (like Walmart), the same can of a

product

> will have different ingredients in different parts of the country

or in

> different size containers (Swanson's Broths). So, readng the label

becomes

> extremely necessary. For other companies (Heinz), they would label

any grain

> ingredient, but go even further with a list of UPC codes of

products made in

> facilities where no wheat is used (making it hard to shop their

frozen

> potatoes without carrying that list along to the store).

>

> > -----Original Message-----

> >

> > NO! THAT IS NOT SO! I would not have contacted them if they had

> > clearly listed them!!!! I contacted them (as I said in a earlier

post)

> > because they were products I had from pre GF days and there were

some

> > questionable ingreedients! I COULD NOT tell from the lable.

> > They should be boycotted!! These companies need to realize that we

> > are a large chunk of the market and being polite and cooperative

is

> > to their advantage! The companies did not offer to check and get

back

> > to me, they responded imediately with rude responses that were

> > unhelpfull! If I was sure a company listed all sources of gluten

> > (like Kraft) I would not waste my time!

> >

>

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NOT ALL COMPANIES CLEARLY LIST ALL GLUTEN GRAINS!!!!!!!

If you had even read what I posted I said Kraft was a very helpful

company! I regularly purchase Kraft and Mayer because of their

policy! They were not one of the ones I was complaining about! I

HAVE GOT SICK FROM " NATURAL FLAVORS " THAT DID NOT SAY (WHEAT)!! I do

not know what makes you think all companies clearly lable- while I am

new to this I know from experience they do not! I have no problem

reading labels, but that is not always enough!

>

> These companies CLEARLY list all gluten grains -- IF THEY EXIST.

So, if you

> see " questionable " ingredients (like " modified food starch "

or " Natrual

> flavorings " ) and you do NOT see the word " wheat " , " barley " , " rye " or

> " oats " - it doesn't contain any of those gluten grains. If there

were a

> problem ingredient, it would say " natural flavorgs (wheat) " .

>

> Yes, there are a few companies that will say " we don't know, don't

bother

> asking us " . But the overwhelming majority that tell you to " read

the label "

> are, in fact, those you should seek out to use (Kraft and Unilever,

for

> example), as all you do have to do is read the label. There is

nothing for

> them to check, no reseach needed - all the information you need to

see if a

> product is gf is clearly displayed on the label. Many more

companies than

> Kraft have this policy and more are starting it every day.

>

> You'll find you'll get much farther along in finding safe choices

by asking

> " do you label all ingredients derived from wheat, barley, rye or

oats with

> the name of the grain? " than asking " is it gluten free " or " do you

use

> gluten? " . Especially since " gluten " is a generic word in the food

industry

> that means the protein of any grain (it's the legal definition

right now,

> doesn't matter that it doesn't help those with CD - it's been the

definition

> of the word for hundreds or thousands of years). So " gluten " can

be " corn

> gluten " or " rice gluten " (you see it now and then in human foods,

but

> especially in pet foods, as it's a byproduct of making starches).

So long as

> they don't add redined grain protein (gluten) to a food, they can

give you

> non-helpful answers like " we don't add gluten to our products " .

Asking more

> specifcally if any ingredients are derived from one of the four

grains will

> get much more helpful answers (including: if we did, it would say

so on the

> label). And for some companies (like Walmart), the same can of a

product

> will have different ingredients in different parts of the country

or in

> different size containers (Swanson's Broths). So, readng the label

becomes

> extremely necessary. For other companies (Heinz), they would label

any grain

> ingredient, but go even further with a list of UPC codes of

products made in

> facilities where no wheat is used (making it hard to shop their

frozen

> potatoes without carrying that list along to the store).

>

> > -----Original Message-----

> >

> > NO! THAT IS NOT SO! I would not have contacted them if they had

> > clearly listed them!!!! I contacted them (as I said in a earlier

post)

> > because they were products I had from pre GF days and there were

some

> > questionable ingreedients! I COULD NOT tell from the lable.

> > They should be boycotted!! These companies need to realize that we

> > are a large chunk of the market and being polite and cooperative

is

> > to their advantage! The companies did not offer to check and get

back

> > to me, they responded imediately with rude responses that were

> > unhelpfull! If I was sure a company listed all sources of gluten

> > (like Kraft) I would not waste my time!

> >

>

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NOT ALL COMPANIES CLEARLY LIST ALL GLUTEN GRAINS!!!!!!!

If you had even read what I posted I said Kraft was a very helpful

company! I regularly purchase Kraft and Mayer because of their

policy! They were not one of the ones I was complaining about! I

HAVE GOT SICK FROM " NATURAL FLAVORS " THAT DID NOT SAY (WHEAT)!! I do

not know what makes you think all companies clearly lable- while I am

new to this I know from experience they do not! I have no problem

reading labels, but that is not always enough!

>

> These companies CLEARLY list all gluten grains -- IF THEY EXIST.

So, if you

> see " questionable " ingredients (like " modified food starch "

or " Natrual

> flavorings " ) and you do NOT see the word " wheat " , " barley " , " rye " or

> " oats " - it doesn't contain any of those gluten grains. If there

were a

> problem ingredient, it would say " natural flavorgs (wheat) " .

>

> Yes, there are a few companies that will say " we don't know, don't

bother

> asking us " . But the overwhelming majority that tell you to " read

the label "

> are, in fact, those you should seek out to use (Kraft and Unilever,

for

> example), as all you do have to do is read the label. There is

nothing for

> them to check, no reseach needed - all the information you need to

see if a

> product is gf is clearly displayed on the label. Many more

companies than

> Kraft have this policy and more are starting it every day.

>

> You'll find you'll get much farther along in finding safe choices

by asking

> " do you label all ingredients derived from wheat, barley, rye or

oats with

> the name of the grain? " than asking " is it gluten free " or " do you

use

> gluten? " . Especially since " gluten " is a generic word in the food

industry

> that means the protein of any grain (it's the legal definition

right now,

> doesn't matter that it doesn't help those with CD - it's been the

definition

> of the word for hundreds or thousands of years). So " gluten " can

be " corn

> gluten " or " rice gluten " (you see it now and then in human foods,

but

> especially in pet foods, as it's a byproduct of making starches).

So long as

> they don't add redined grain protein (gluten) to a food, they can

give you

> non-helpful answers like " we don't add gluten to our products " .

Asking more

> specifcally if any ingredients are derived from one of the four

grains will

> get much more helpful answers (including: if we did, it would say

so on the

> label). And for some companies (like Walmart), the same can of a

product

> will have different ingredients in different parts of the country

or in

> different size containers (Swanson's Broths). So, readng the label

becomes

> extremely necessary. For other companies (Heinz), they would label

any grain

> ingredient, but go even further with a list of UPC codes of

products made in

> facilities where no wheat is used (making it hard to shop their

frozen

> potatoes without carrying that list along to the store).

>

> > -----Original Message-----

> >

> > NO! THAT IS NOT SO! I would not have contacted them if they had

> > clearly listed them!!!! I contacted them (as I said in a earlier

post)

> > because they were products I had from pre GF days and there were

some

> > questionable ingreedients! I COULD NOT tell from the lable.

> > They should be boycotted!! These companies need to realize that we

> > are a large chunk of the market and being polite and cooperative

is

> > to their advantage! The companies did not offer to check and get

back

> > to me, they responded imediately with rude responses that were

> > unhelpfull! If I was sure a company listed all sources of gluten

> > (like Kraft) I would not waste my time!

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

How scary!!!!

Tree

>

> NOT ALL COMPANIES CLEARLY LIST ALL GLUTEN GRAINS!!!!!!!

> If you had even read what I posted I said Kraft was a very helpful

> company! I regularly purchase Kraft and Mayer because of their

> policy! They were not one of the ones I was complaining about! I

> HAVE GOT SICK FROM " NATURAL FLAVORS " THAT DID NOT SAY (WHEAT)!! I do

> not know what makes you think all companies clearly lable- while I am

> new to this I know from experience they do not! I have no problem

> reading labels, but that is not always enough!

[Guest guest]

How scary!!!!

Tree

>

> NOT ALL COMPANIES CLEARLY LIST ALL GLUTEN GRAINS!!!!!!!

> If you had even read what I posted I said Kraft was a very helpful

> company! I regularly purchase Kraft and Mayer because of their

> policy! They were not one of the ones I was complaining about! I

> HAVE GOT SICK FROM " NATURAL FLAVORS " THAT DID NOT SAY (WHEAT)!! I do

> not know what makes you think all companies clearly lable- while I am

> new to this I know from experience they do not! I have no problem

> reading labels, but that is not always enough!

[Guest guest]

How scary!!!!

Tree

>

> NOT ALL COMPANIES CLEARLY LIST ALL GLUTEN GRAINS!!!!!!!

> If you had even read what I posted I said Kraft was a very helpful

> company! I regularly purchase Kraft and Mayer because of their

> policy! They were not one of the ones I was complaining about! I

> HAVE GOT SICK FROM " NATURAL FLAVORS " THAT DID NOT SAY (WHEAT)!! I do

> not know what makes you think all companies clearly lable- while I am

> new to this I know from experience they do not! I have no problem

> reading labels, but that is not always enough!

[Guest guest]

Grow up! If you do not have something positive or helpfull to offer

then ignore the posts!

> >

> > NOT ALL COMPANIES CLEARLY LIST ALL GLUTEN GRAINS!!!!!!!

> > If you had even read what I posted I said Kraft was a very

helpful

> > company! I regularly purchase Kraft and Mayer because of

their

> > policy! They were not one of the ones I was complaining about! I

> > HAVE GOT SICK FROM " NATURAL FLAVORS " THAT DID NOT SAY (WHEAT)!! I

do

> > not know what makes you think all companies clearly lable- while

I am

> > new to this I know from experience they do not! I have no problem

> > reading labels, but that is not always enough!

>

[Guest guest]

Companies that tell you that you only need to read the label to see if a

gluten grain is listed, are the ones that list all gluten grains -- not all

companies (how would you think that?). In other words, the exact ones that

started this entire thread are the good guys, once you make one call and

receive the good news (even though many newbies are confused by the answer

and tend to get upset by a seemingly " rude " response of not giving you an

outdated list of safe foods and telling you that " you only need to read the

label " ).

> -----Original Message-----

> > HAVE GOT SICK FROM " NATURAL FLAVORS " THAT DID NOT SAY (WHEAT)!! I do

> > not know what makes you think all companies clearly lable- while I am

> > new to this I know from experience they do not! I have no problem

> > reading labels, but that is not always enough!

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