Re: The Carb Amount Question/ Questions of My Own....

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/16/2006 10:22:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

gerald1951@... writes:

Sorry, It was not my intention to give medical advice. I was merely

stating what I had been told by my own doctor. Your right, one size

does not fit all.

>

>

> In a message dated 3/16/2006 4:51:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> gerald1951@... writes:

>

> No, rest assured no damage is being done if your

> blood sugars are above 120.

>

Hi Gerald,

Did you intend to say " no damage is being done if your blood sugars are

above 120 " or did you mean " below 120 " .

hugs

Eunice

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/16/2006 5:34:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

Suzy@... writes:

Really??!? How frustrating. I would think that if numbers were truly

normal that not only would there be nocomplications, but no diabetes....

Hi Suzy,

If a person eats what they want and have normal numbers, they do not have

diabetes. Their numbers would be truly normal.

If a person has diabetes and have normal numbers it is because they are

sticking to a food plan that works for them. Even though they have normal

numbers, they still have diabetes. Should they go back to their old eating

habits,

their numbers will go up again.

hugs

Eunice

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/16/2006 5:34:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

Suzy@... writes:

Really??!? How frustrating. I would think that if numbers were truly

normal that not only would there be nocomplications, but no diabetes....

Hi Suzy,

If a person eats what they want and have normal numbers, they do not have

diabetes. Their numbers would be truly normal.

If a person has diabetes and have normal numbers it is because they are

sticking to a food plan that works for them. Even though they have normal

numbers, they still have diabetes. Should they go back to their old eating

habits,

their numbers will go up again.

hugs

Eunice

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/16/2006 5:34:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

Suzy@... writes:

Really??!? How frustrating. I would think that if numbers were truly

normal that not only would there be nocomplications, but no diabetes....

Hi Suzy,

If a person eats what they want and have normal numbers, they do not have

diabetes. Their numbers would be truly normal.

If a person has diabetes and have normal numbers it is because they are

sticking to a food plan that works for them. Even though they have normal

numbers, they still have diabetes. Should they go back to their old eating

habits,

their numbers will go up again.

hugs

Eunice

[Guest guest]

Good evening Eunice.

Sorry, It was not my intention to give medical advice. I was merely

stating what I had been told by my own doctor. Your right, one size

does not fit all.

>

>

> In a message dated 3/16/2006 4:51:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> gerald1951@... writes:

>

> No, rest assured no damage is being done if your

> blood sugars are above 120.

>

>

>

> Hi Gerald,

> This is giving medical advice and we do not do that in this

group. You have

> no way of knowing if damage above a certain number is being done

or not.

>

> Some people can have normal numbers and still get complications

from

> diabetes. Other people can have higher numbers and not get

complications. Diabetes

> is not a one size fits all.

>

> hugs

> Eunice

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good evening Eunice.

Sorry, It was not my intention to give medical advice. I was merely

stating what I had been told by my own doctor. Your right, one size

does not fit all.

>

>

> In a message dated 3/16/2006 4:51:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> gerald1951@... writes:

>

> No, rest assured no damage is being done if your

> blood sugars are above 120.

>

>

>

> Hi Gerald,

> This is giving medical advice and we do not do that in this

group. You have

> no way of knowing if damage above a certain number is being done

or not.

>

> Some people can have normal numbers and still get complications

from

> diabetes. Other people can have higher numbers and not get

complications. Diabetes

> is not a one size fits all.

>

> hugs

> Eunice

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was high like that in the mornings too. I started walking on a

treadmill for an hour a day (started at 30 min/day and worked up).

Once I had been walking regularly for a couple of weeks, I noticed my

BG levels in the morning started to drop. Now, they're typically in

the low 100's like 114, 107, etc.

>

> I know when I was first diagnosed I went to see a dietician who put

me on a

> plan that had me eating 30 carbs most meals, 40 once per day and 50

once per

> day. My blood sugars were sky high following that plan, but I did lose

> weight, so I kept thinking the weight loss would help lower my

readings and

> it would be good in the end, but it never happened. The less carbs the

> better for me. I am currently trying to get back to taking care of

myself

> so I am testing testing testing to see what I can handle. The

problem I am

> encountering at the moment is that my bloodsugar is alread too high

when I

> wake up! IT was over 200 at 10am, came down to 185 at noon.... I

know a

> little about the Dawn's Phenomena, have those of you who encounter

it gotten

> past it by maybe setting your alarm and testing through thenight and

maybe a

> snack??? It is so very frustrating, its almost like you can't win

starting

> the day off already too high!

>

> I know that folks canbe hesitant to give advice as we all vary, but with

> that understanding in mind I would welcome the sharing of any personal

> experiences.

>

> My doc would like my readings to be under 140, but am I not correct that

> damage is being done at 120 and above? I am personally not content to

> settle for improvements, I want a normal healthy blood sugar!

>

> Bright BLessings,

> ~Suzy

>

[Guest guest]

Hello again Eunice.

All I know is from what I have been told by my doctor, and from what

I have read on the subject of diabetes.

That in non-diabetics it's normal for the blood sugars to go up to

140 or 150 an hour after eating, then it comes back down again.

So, that is why I said no damage is done when it's above 120 since

it's normal to go up to 150.

My doctor says that 180 is acceptable for me, as long as it doesn't

go above that. But I would still prefer if it didn't go above 150,

and I hope to eventually acheive that.

But as you have said before, one size doesn't fit all.

>

> Hi Gerald,

> Did you intend to say " no damage is being done if your blood sugars

are

> above 120 " or did you mean " below 120 " .

>

> hugs

> Eunice

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>

> That in non-diabetics it's normal for the blood sugars to go up to

> 140 or 150 an hour after eating, then it comes back down again.

>

> So, that is why I said no damage is done when it's above 120 since

> it's normal to go up to 150.

>

Hi Gerald,

Here's a link which shows the target rates. I know they might say it

is " normal " but really it is a target goal for diabetes. You can

compare what a person without diabetes has and one with diabetes. I

was told in diabetic education classes, we should try for the diabetic

goal range and if we can reach that the next goal would be nondiabetic

numbers. Not everyone can achieve that due to various medical

problems or other meds they take so that's why the higher range for

" target goals " . It's not that it's normal but acceptable in the

medical community or one that is achievable for most people. I know I

wish I had known that long ago as I would have tried for a better goal

years ago.

http://www.joslin.org/Beginners_guide_523.asp

> My doctor says that 180 is acceptable for me, as long as it doesn't

> go above that. But I would still prefer if it didn't go above 150,

> and I hope to eventually acheive that.

>

>

Different drs will say different ranges are acceptable depending on

your other medical health problems and knowing your history. They

also set goals as to what they feel you can achieve. Once you get

that goal you might ask what else you could do. I know when I went to

an endocrinologist finally he was not happy about the higher goals set

for me as he said I could still get damage. So he is more strict than

some. There is a lot of talk within the medical community about

lowering the numbers to avoid damage later. I think the key is your

dr said it was " acceptable " . I don't think they like to overwhelm

people with unreasonable goals in the beginning either. You just work

on it as you can, little by little. As you said you would like it a

bit lower. That's a good idea to have goals.

[Guest guest]

>>

> That in non-diabetics it's normal for the blood sugars to go up to

> 140 or 150 an hour after eating, then it comes back down again.

>

> So, that is why I said no damage is done when it's above 120 since

> it's normal to go up to 150.

>

Hi Gerald,

Here's a link which shows the target rates. I know they might say it

is " normal " but really it is a target goal for diabetes. You can

compare what a person without diabetes has and one with diabetes. I

was told in diabetic education classes, we should try for the diabetic

goal range and if we can reach that the next goal would be nondiabetic

numbers. Not everyone can achieve that due to various medical

problems or other meds they take so that's why the higher range for

" target goals " . It's not that it's normal but acceptable in the

medical community or one that is achievable for most people. I know I

wish I had known that long ago as I would have tried for a better goal

years ago.

http://www.joslin.org/Beginners_guide_523.asp

> My doctor says that 180 is acceptable for me, as long as it doesn't

> go above that. But I would still prefer if it didn't go above 150,

> and I hope to eventually acheive that.

>

>

Different drs will say different ranges are acceptable depending on

your other medical health problems and knowing your history. They

also set goals as to what they feel you can achieve. Once you get

that goal you might ask what else you could do. I know when I went to

an endocrinologist finally he was not happy about the higher goals set

for me as he said I could still get damage. So he is more strict than

some. There is a lot of talk within the medical community about

lowering the numbers to avoid damage later. I think the key is your

dr said it was " acceptable " . I don't think they like to overwhelm

people with unreasonable goals in the beginning either. You just work

on it as you can, little by little. As you said you would like it a

bit lower. That's a good idea to have goals.