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--- kimmy wrote:

> Hi Mari,

> Yes, a positive attitude is a must!!!!

but what about folks who are depressed? I read this

all the time - positivve attitude, etc. - not that i

dont have one-sometimes--but when we say things like

that; well, if someone might not have a positive

attitude...or not shoot for happiness...well, it seems

to me, that there's room for blaming the victim here -

, that is, " you ^didn't^ have a positive attitude and

that's why...etc... "

and I'm not downing " positive attitude " - but exactly

what does that mean?

marisa

When I

> was DX last year, the owner of my business had died

> less than 2 months before. I had been left in charge

> of the entire business, a bar and restaurant. Then I

> found out I had cancer. I was devastated, the owners

> wife wanted to sell the business immediately. I told

> her NO. I was going to work my way through it with

> the least physical and emotional expense on me. I

> know everyone is different and has different

> priorities, but for me, mastectomy with no other

> treatment meant I would be back to work full time

> sooner. And that is what happened. Going on 15

> months later, we have done over 12,000.00 worth of

> renovations and 2 weeks ago she asked me to be a

> 50/50 partner for the price of 1.00.

> A positive attitude and faith in oneself is

> important. But most important to remeber is that If

> God brings you to it, He will bring you through it.

> AND.....everthing happens for a reason. We often

> question those happennings and are bewildered by the

> reasons. but it all works out if you have faith.

> peace....................kimmy

> P.S. I am glad to have an " antique " show me

> guidance and share her wisdom. You are a valuable

> asset to this site.

>

> Mari wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> I don't post much because I'm such an antique. I had

> bc 21 and 18

> years ago, had a modified radical each time. I

> didn't have any

> radiation, and chemo was just in the infant stages,

> but they said I

> didn't need it anyway. I was back to work in 3 weeks

> the first time, 2

> weeks the second time. Have lived a normal, although

> crazy life since.

> I'm extremely active all day, travel, work, etc.

> I'll go Kimmy one

> better and say I never get a mammogram any more. The

> best bonus is I

> lose 5 pounds (well maybe a little less) each night

> when I remove my

> prosthesis, :-D

>

> Now on the serious side, I was scared to death when

> diagnosed. My

> Mom had passed on from bc. I was sure I was going

> the same route. My

> doctor said, " Yes, it's serious, but 96% of my

> patients are still here

> and living full lives " . Remember, this was over 20

> years ago. I was 39

> and scared to death that I wouldn't be here to spend

> my life with my

> hubby and to see my 2 boys grow to manhood. When the

> surgeon said this,

> it turned my thoughts 180º toward fighting it and

> living. Now mind you

> this was without all the wonderful and numerous

> treatments which are

> available today. My best advice is your attitude,

> keep it positive. If

> you're depressed, please get help. Most of all,

> please know that every

> one of the lovely ladies here on this list are here

> for you!

>

> My prayers and blessings are being send your way

> each and every day!

>

> >And they only had to squish one boob!!!! Now there

> is a silver lining if I ever saw one!! :)

>

> Angel (A.K.A. Mari)

> mfgershman@...

>

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I cant help but to put my 5 cents into this one..... Gloria, ( one of my aunts

) first had cancer 15 years ago, mastectomy, reconstruction, then 10 years

later cancer came back ,,, same breast area, surgery , chemo,,, 5 years of

inhibitors and now once again,,, the cancer is back ,,,, limph nodes this

time..... Gloria is now 65.

I keep telling her " attitude is 80 per cent of the cure " she is now tired

of fighting, deppresed and " leans " completly on others to do things for

her... cooking , cleaning , driving, we feel tha she can do more on her own

and that she should... but she is just tired.... radiation burned her severly

,,, then fluid ... then infection.... is like she dont want to start the chemo

now.... the question here is...... do we, the relatives, have the right to tell

her to have a positive attitude?????? this is all so damn hard on everyone,

the patient and those around........

thanks for reading... thanks for being here...

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" positive attutude " sometimes doesn't meant alot when

you just want a f'ing break! you know? I really wonder

what " positive attitude " means...

marisa (i take my son to school every morning, pick

him up in the afternoon, do homework with him, got him

a tutor for math, because he's dyslexic; i bring him

to his couselor once a week, since his father died

suddenly, and i go to work wvery day, except fridays,

when i go to chemo...but there are still dirty dishes

in the sink, and i'm still not sure what " positive

attitude means... though i'm not downing anyone that

has one, I'm just plugging along here...)

--- Ramos wrote:

> I cant help but to put my 5 cents into this

> one..... Gloria, ( one of my aunts ) first had

> cancer 15 years ago, mastectomy, reconstruction,

> then 10 years later cancer came back ,,, same

> breast area, surgery , chemo,,, 5 years of

> inhibitors and now once again,,, the cancer is back

> ,,,, limph nodes this time..... Gloria is now 65.

>

>

> I keep telling her " attitude is 80 per cent of

> the cure " she is now tired of fighting, deppresed

> and " leans " completly on others to do things for

> her... cooking , cleaning , driving, we feel

> tha she can do more on her own and that she

> should... but she is just tired.... radiation

> burned her severly ,,, then fluid ... then

> infection.... is like she dont want to start the

> chemo now.... the question here is...... do we, the

> relatives, have the right to tell her to have a

> positive attitude?????? this is all so damn hard

> on everyone, the patient and those around........

>

> thanks for reading... thanks for being here...

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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Bless you Marisa. I am still looking for my inner Polly . She

can be quite illusive! I think we go through stages just as if a

loved one has died. Everyone goes through the stages, denial,

barganing, depression/anger and finally acceptance at their own rate.

Some might say, " Well you have just lost a physical part you are

still you so what does it matter " . Well it does matter not only the

physical part you lost but all the hopes and dreams that may have gone

out the window because of this condition and that loss.

Ruth

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I don't post much because I'm such an antique. I had

> > bc 21 and 18

> > years ago, had a modified radical each time. I

> > didn't have any

> > radiation, and chemo was just in the infant stages,

> > but they said I

> > didn't need it anyway. I was back to work in 3 weeks

> > the first time, 2

> > weeks the second time. Have lived a normal, although

> > crazy life since.

> > I'm extremely active all day, travel, work, etc.

> > I'll go Kimmy one

> > better and say I never get a mammogram any more. The

> > best bonus is I

> > lose 5 pounds (well maybe a little less) each night

> > when I remove my

> > prosthesis, :-D

> >

> > Now on the serious side, I was scared to death when

> > diagnosed. My

> > Mom had passed on from bc. I was sure I was going

> > the same route. My

> > doctor said, " Yes, it's serious, but 96% of my

> > patients are still here

> > and living full lives " . Remember, this was over 20

> > years ago. I was 39

> > and scared to death that I wouldn't be here to spend

> > my life with my

> > hubby and to see my 2 boys grow to manhood. When the

> > surgeon said this,

> > it turned my thoughts 180º toward fighting it and

> > living. Now mind you

> > this was without all the wonderful and numerous

> > treatments which are

> > available today. My best advice is your attitude,

> > keep it positive. If

> > you're depressed, please get help. Most of all,

> > please know that every

> > one of the lovely ladies here on this list are here

> > for you!

> >

> > My prayers and blessings are being send your way

> > each and every day!

> >

> > >And they only had to squish one boob!!!! Now there

> > is a silver lining if I ever saw one!! :)

> >

> > Angel (A.K.A. Mari)

> > mfgershman@...

> >

> > Please click each day to help others, IT'S FREE!

> >

> >

> http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/CTDSites

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Do you Yahoo!?

> > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo!

> > Mail.

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

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Hi Ruth,

I completely understand what you are saying. I don’t really have an inner

Polly but I am the Unsinkable Molly Brown and I sure as heck am good at

denial! When I was 35 my husband died very suddenly of a heart attack. I had

3 kids, a dog, and 2 cats - $10,000 in savings and life insurance to cover

the mortgage on the house. I must tell you that coming to terms with BC has

in many ways, been more of a challenge for me. My diagnosis (I have to get

the records from my Onc – since I can’t even find the letter telling me what

stage, etc I was) was just before Mother’s Day in 05 and It was not until

September of this year that I really began to “get it” that I had a serious

condition/illness. I’m still kind of reeling. Thank goodness I have the

dearest Onc in the world and he has just hung in there with me as I played

tough, competent, invulnerable. He’s the only one I cried in front of. You

are so right about the stages leading to acceptance. I just upped my

antidepressant!

Thank you for your comments.

Maya

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Subject: Re: RE: Mari aka Angel

Bless you Marisa. I am still looking for my inner Polly . She

can be quite illusive! I think we go through stages just as if a

loved one has died. Everyone goes through the stages, denial,

barganing, depression/anger and finally acceptance at their own rate.

Some might say, " Well you have just lost a physical part you are

still you so what does it matter " . Well it does matter not only the

physical part you lost but all the hopes and dreams that may have gone

out the window because of this condition and that loss.

Ruth

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I don't post much because I'm such an antique. I had

> > bc 21 and 18

> > years ago, had a modified radical each time. I

> > didn't have any

> > radiation, and chemo was just in the infant stages,

> > but they said I

> > didn't need it anyway. I was back to work in 3 weeks

> > the first time, 2

> > weeks the second time. Have lived a normal, although

> > crazy life since.

> > I'm extremely active all day, travel, work, etc.

> > I'll go Kimmy one

> > better and say I never get a mammogram any more. The

> > best bonus is I

> > lose 5 pounds (well maybe a little less) each night

> > when I remove my

> > prosthesis, :-D

> >

> > Now on the serious side, I was scared to death when

> > diagnosed. My

> > Mom had passed on from bc. I was sure I was going

> > the same route. My

> > doctor said, " Yes, it's serious, but 96% of my

> > patients are still here

> > and living full lives " . Remember, this was over 20

> > years ago. I was 39

> > and scared to death that I wouldn't be here to spend

> > my life with my

> > hubby and to see my 2 boys grow to manhood. When the

> > surgeon said this,

> > it turned my thoughts 180º toward fighting it and

> > living. Now mind you

> > this was without all the wonderful and numerous

> > treatments which are

> > available today. My best advice is your attitude,

> > keep it positive. If

> > you're depressed, please get help. Most of all,

> > please know that every

> > one of the lovely ladies here on this list are here

> > for you!

> >

> > My prayers and blessings are being send your way

> > each and every day!

> >

> > >And they only had to squish one boob!!!! Now there

> > is a silver lining if I ever saw one!! :)

> >

> > Angel (A.K.A. Mari)

> > mfgershman@...

> >

> > Please click each day to help others, IT'S FREE!

> >

> >

> http://www.thebreas

<http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/CTDSites>

tcancersite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/CTDSites

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Do you Yahoo!?

> > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo!

> > Mail.

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

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Hiya,

I know what you mean and it seems artificial, this " positive " attitude and

you're right if you think that. I didn't even attempt this positve attitude

during my chemo just went with the flow, when I felt okay I said so when not, I

said nothing or else unloaded on my closest people. Now it's 11 months and 4

days since my last chemo. I am still feeling the effects: memory loss,

fatigue, some pain, working through the surgery tightness, irregular periods if

you can even call them periods, hot flashes, mood swings and general bouts of

fear about my health ( every little ache and tired day gets me thinking..) I am

36 never married and no children and maybe never any. But you know what?

What's so cool about this whole experience I have come through is I feel more

content now than I have ever remembered feeling in my life. Imagine that? It

hurt so much that anything else just pales. I have always been so strong and

took chemo and everything else so hard anyway , I just

let it run it's course, it socked me in the face. I am a firm believer that

there is a lesson in every trial that we're made to endure. My particular

lesson I am happy to have received. A big fat wake up call. I think that a

positive attitude isn't enough. A reevaluation of your life and what it means

to be here and what is important in the day to day is this " positve attitude "

that we all search for. It's the meaning behind why we are dealing with this.

I am forever living more in the moment and less in the " what if " that I used to

live in. Projecting what I thought were accurate predictions onto my future,

how the hell is anyone supposed to know what is going to happen next? You see,

I always thought that was a part of maturing, knowing what comes next, being

good at predicting the next moment that to me was reaching adulthood. All of

the adults always seemed to sit around and " know " everything. What a big

misconception. Happiness and this positve attitude

thing, those 2 things aren't even related. True happiness comes from being

content with each moment no matter what is going on out there. it's an inner

honest voice that we recognize as not trying to control anything, or change

anyone, just being. I can't explain it very well, but I am so content now and

I never was before. I am so happy to have my life, to use my body again because

I am very athletic and missed that for so many months. It is a joy to jump and

swim and run and not want to pass out right away. I can eat and my mouth isn't

on fire, I sleep through the night. All of these things are coming to you too

and when they do they will seem magnified. Chemo is hard for many of us, Keep

telling yourself it's just temporary I will do it and it will pass just like

everything else. You have been put throught this horrible trial but there are

so many positive things coming from it if you look. I swear, we can all learn

great things. Life is a wonderful gift and

should not be squandered too much on feeling bad for ourselves, a little time

there then back to telling ourselves the good parts. You have to be your best

friend for yourself right now as hard as that sounds. It sounds so preachy, I'm

sorry, I am just passionate about what I feel and what I've learned. I am not

bitter and don't feel like a victim but I remember being so pissed off alot of

the time because it hurts. But whatever doesn't kill you makes you stonger and

you are growing stronger every day my dear.

Lots of love,

a

Marisa Steffers wrote:

" positive attutude " sometimes doesn't meant alot when

you just want a f'ing break! you know? I really wonder

what " positive attitude " means...

marisa (i take my son to school every morning, pick

him up in the afternoon, do homework with him, got him

a tutor for math, because he's dyslexic; i bring him

to his couselor once a week, since his father died

suddenly, and i go to work wvery day, except fridays,

when i go to chemo...but there are still dirty dishes

in the sink, and i'm still not sure what " positive

attitude means... though i'm not downing anyone that

has one, I'm just plugging along here...)

--- Ramos wrote:

> I cant help but to put my 5 cents into this

> one..... Gloria, ( one of my aunts ) first had

> cancer 15 years ago, mastectomy, reconstruction,

> then 10 years later cancer came back ,,, same

> breast area, surgery , chemo,,, 5 years of

> inhibitors and now once again,,, the cancer is back

> ,,,, limph nodes this time..... Gloria is now 65.

>

>

> I keep telling her " attitude is 80 per cent of

> the cure " she is now tired of fighting, deppresed

> and " leans " completly on others to do things for

> her... cooking , cleaning , driving, we feel

> tha she can do more on her own and that she

> should... but she is just tired.... radiation

> burned her severly ,,, then fluid ... then

> infection.... is like she dont want to start the

> chemo now.... the question here is...... do we, the

> relatives, have the right to tell her to have a

> positive attitude?????? this is all so damn hard

> on everyone, the patient and those around........

>

> thanks for reading... thanks for being here...

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

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,

You could tell her about the group and how the ladies were saying how much

easier it is with a positive attitude. She may resent you coming out and just

telling to have one. Its not always that easy for some. I will keep her in my

prayers.

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I cant help but to put my 5 cents into this one..... Gloria, ( one of my aunts

) first had cancer 15 years ago, mastectomy, reconstruction, then 10 years later

cancer came back ,,, same breast area, surgery , chemo,,, 5 years of inhibitors

and now once again,,, the cancer is back ,,,, limph nodes this time..... Gloria

is now 65.

I keep telling her " attitude is 80 per cent of the cure " she is now tired of

fighting, deppresed and " leans " completly on others to do things for her...

cooking , cleaning , driving, we feel tha she can do more on her own and that

she should... but she is just tired.... radiation burned her severly ,,, then

fluid ... then infection.... is like she dont want to start the chemo now....

the question here is...... do we, the relatives, have the right to tell her to

have a positive attitude?????? this is all so damn hard on everyone, the patient

and those around........

thanks for reading... thanks for being here...

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Ruth,

I remember when I had my hysterectomy about 8-9 years ago. I grieved for it and

it surprised me. It's not something anyone knows about unless you tell them. I'd

had all the kids I wanted, had already had a tubaligation... but I still

grieved.... a part of me was gone. I think I did too with the recent mastectomy,

it just didn't surprise me that I went through those stages. We all follow our

own path for this journey... even if we are all fighting breast cancer.

Barb R.

Michigan

Re: RE: Mari aka Angel

Bless you Marisa. I am still looking for my inner Polly . She

can be quite illusive! I think we go through stages just as if a

loved one has died. Everyone goes through the stages, denial,

barganing, depression/anger and finally acceptance at their own rate.

Some might say, " Well you have just lost a physical part you are

still you so what does it matter " . Well it does matter not only the

physical part you lost but all the hopes and dreams that may have gone

out the window because of this condition and that loss.

Ruth

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I don't post much because I'm such an antique. I had

> > bc 21 and 18

> > years ago, had a modified radical each time. I

> > didn't have any

> > radiation, and chemo was just in the infant stages,

> > but they said I

> > didn't need it anyway. I was back to work in 3 weeks

> > the first time, 2

> > weeks the second time. Have lived a normal, although

> > crazy life since.

> > I'm extremely active all day, travel, work, etc.

> > I'll go Kimmy one

> > better and say I never get a mammogram any more. The

> > best bonus is I

> > lose 5 pounds (well maybe a little less) each night

> > when I remove my

> > prosthesis, :-D

> >

> > Now on the serious side, I was scared to death when

> > diagnosed. My

> > Mom had passed on from bc. I was sure I was going

> > the same route. My

> > doctor said, " Yes, it's serious, but 96% of my

> > patients are still here

> > and living full lives " . Remember, this was over 20

> > years ago. I was 39

> > and scared to death that I wouldn't be here to spend

> > my life with my

> > hubby and to see my 2 boys grow to manhood. When the

> > surgeon said this,

> > it turned my thoughts 180º toward fighting it and

> > living. Now mind you

> > this was without all the wonderful and numerous

> > treatments which are

> > available today. My best advice is your attitude,

> > keep it positive. If

> > you're depressed, please get help. Most of all,

> > please know that every

> > one of the lovely ladies here on this list are here

> > for you!

> >

> > My prayers and blessings are being send your way

> > each and every day!

> >

> > >And they only had to squish one boob!!!! Now there

> > is a silver lining if I ever saw one!! :)

> >

> > Angel (A.K.A. Mari)

> > mfgershman@...

> >

> > Please click each day to help others, IT'S FREE!

> >

> >

> http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/CTDSites

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Do you Yahoo!?

> > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo!

> > Mail.

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

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> >

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Personally, I like the New Barb much better, at least her mental attitude and

outlook on LIVING. Not too crazy about the physical part, but, at 55, I'll never

be 25 (physically) again, so I won't sweat it.

Barb R.

Michigan

Re: RE: Mari aka Angel

No ; it just takes time and patience. I like the New better,

although I liked the old like you...

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