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I first heard of this when my GF was taking nursing classes in Lafayette Indiana

in 1994 and she did clinicals at the Mental Hospital in Logansport on the Water

Addiction Unit. These are people who drink gallons of water a day but even

athletes or normal people who exercise a lot and drink a lot can become water

intoxified. Which causes Hponatremia and other things. Here are some sites I

found. I don't think the hospital is on Loganssport any longer. I think i

remember my brother who lives there saying it was closed.

(Illinois)

http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/faculty/pbird/keepingfit/ARTICLE/toomuchwater.htm

http://www.activesports.co.zw/train_health_nutrition/hnut_water.htm

http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch158/ch158c.html

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Thanks for the information. I will look at these.

Lacy

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I first heard of this when my GF was taking nursing classes in Lafayette

Indiana in 1994 and she did clinicals at the Mental Hospital in Logansport

on the Water Addiction Unit. These are people who drink gallons of water a

day but even athletes or normal people who exercise a lot and drink a lot

can become water intoxified. Which causes Hponatremia and other things.

Here are some sites I found. I don't think the hospital is on Loganssport

any longer. I think i remember my brother who lives there saying it was

closed.

(Illinois)

http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/faculty/pbird/keepingfit/ARTICLE/toomuchwater.htm

http://www.activesports.co.zw/train_health_nutrition/hnut_water.htm

http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch158/ch158c.html

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Thanks for the information. I will look at these.

Lacy

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I first heard of this when my GF was taking nursing classes in Lafayette

Indiana in 1994 and she did clinicals at the Mental Hospital in Logansport

on the Water Addiction Unit. These are people who drink gallons of water a

day but even athletes or normal people who exercise a lot and drink a lot

can become water intoxified. Which causes Hponatremia and other things.

Here are some sites I found. I don't think the hospital is on Loganssport

any longer. I think i remember my brother who lives there saying it was

closed.

(Illinois)

http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/faculty/pbird/keepingfit/ARTICLE/toomuchwater.htm

http://www.activesports.co.zw/train_health_nutrition/hnut_water.htm

http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch158/ch158c.html

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Thanks for the information. I will look at these.

Lacy

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I first heard of this when my GF was taking nursing classes in Lafayette

Indiana in 1994 and she did clinicals at the Mental Hospital in Logansport

on the Water Addiction Unit. These are people who drink gallons of water a

day but even athletes or normal people who exercise a lot and drink a lot

can become water intoxified. Which causes Hponatremia and other things.

Here are some sites I found. I don't think the hospital is on Loganssport

any longer. I think i remember my brother who lives there saying it was

closed.

(Illinois)

http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/faculty/pbird/keepingfit/ARTICLE/toomuchwater.htm

http://www.activesports.co.zw/train_health_nutrition/hnut_water.htm

http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch158/ch158c.html

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The first article doesn't tell me anything about amounts.

The second article has a lot about " might " and is very light on

numbers too. It does say, " Women embarking on self-styled detox

regimes, which " flush out " toxins with 4 to 5 liters of water a day,

are particularly at risk " . That got me thinking. If a wls surgery

patient is supposed to drink 64oz of water a day that's nearly two

liters. I have been directed by my PCP to up that because she felt my

urine was two concentrated. Personally I think she just caught me at

a light water part of the day, just my luck eh? She said I should

drink 80-100oz a day. That works out to about 3 liters a day. I

highly doubt 4 to 5 liters of water today will affect me. I would

consider it possible that it could adversely affect a woman who was a

buck, buck and quarter in weight though. I'm 300lbs so I'm not

worried about even more than 5 liters.

The article goes on to say, " the kidneys can only produce about 14 to

15 liters of urine in 24 hours " That's interesting because the 4 to 5

liters you're not supposed to drink doesn't completely get turned to

urine. Some of it is perspired and some used in other ways. The

article does say you get additional water from food, especially meats

and fruits but I'd doubt that amounts to more than a liter. If we

take 6 liters as a rather high amount for a total water intake I'm

not connecting how that's bad for the kidneys if they can generate

over twice that much in urine in 24 hours. Maybe they were saying if

you consume too much water TOO QUICKLY. Now THAT I can really get

into. There are cases I've read of where idiots, usually college

students, get sick or die form water drinking contests where people

compete to see how much they can drink in X minutes.

Finally the third article looks good! " an adult with normal kidney

function would have to drink more than 2 gallons of water a day on a

regular basis. " It talks about hyponatremia which is " low " sodium

levels in the blood. It doesn't even say if it's dangerous though,

let alone death. I'm going to assume those are possibilities though.

It does go on to say that it usually occurs in people with kidneys

that do not excrete urine normally. Well NO KIDDING!

The article seems strange in that it says hyponatremia causes the

blood to have low sodium levels but further down it says the

treatment is to sometimes reduce the intake of sodium because it

causes the body to retain water. I guess that's in cases where

there's something causing the hyponatremia other than large amounts

of water being consumed.

One gallon is 128oz, two gallons is 256oz. That means someone would

have to consume 256oz of water a day on a " regular basis " (whatever

that means). Let's break that down. That translates to 32 – 8oz

glasses of water. Most of us have been told 8 glasses. If you're like

me and used to drinking the ½ liter bottles of water that works out

to over 15. My day usually consists of a 32oz glass of crystal light

in the morning, 5 or 6 - ½ liters throughout the day and then maybe

something like two more 32oz drinks in the evening. That works out to

under 200oz a day. There's a very good chance I don't hit that every

day by falling under it 50oz but I might also go above it some days

maybe 32oz or so we'll say (very rare indeed). So I NEVER hit the

256oz mark, let alone on a basis of anything remotely termed

a " regular basis " .

As a side note I, unfortunately, find myself consuming foods that

contain a lot of natural sodium. I really do try to go with low

sodium alternatives and never salt my food directly. Still there it

is gobs of sodium everywhere. I'm guessing I pull about 125% - 175%

of the RDA sodium a day. I wonder how that would affect my chances of

hyponatremia since I'd have more sodium available to my body.

There's a lot of good info at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia too. No real numbers on

what is too much though. It does talk about the use of drugs or

extreme athletic events that can cause over consumption of fluids

while also quickly depleting electrolytes and sodium causing

hyponatremia.

In http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hyponatremia/AN01140 it says

that " The International Marathon Medical Directors Association

recommends that, during extended exercise, athletes drink no more

than 31 ounces (or about 800 milliliters) of water per hour. "

Wow .I'm awake from about 4am to 10pm. If I drank more than 31 ounces

per hour I'd be getting in 558 ounces. Now that's a lot of water. I

can't even do half that. Why would I want to?

I think this is the hospital you're talking about

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logansport_State_Hospital

Here's an article that I think is exactly what you were talking about

as far as water addiction at that hospital: http://tinyurl.com/nhrfd.

I think I may have found the full article as a PDF here

http://tinyurl.com/rh784 but it looks like you have to pay to get it.

That's not fair! From these descriptions though it appears to be

referencing people with psychological disorders that causes them to

drink excessive amounts of water. Being asked or drinking a lot of

water (even nearly 200oz a day) is not excessive and, more

importantly, not a psychological disorder.

I appreciate the cautions and I hope they keep coming but I'm not

about to base my water intake or anything else on a single source

that deals with an unusual example(s) or multiple sources that don't

speak to definite quantifiable amounts which I can compare my

consumption or that show I'm, in fact, not consuming too much and

doubt I ever could achieve their warning level let alone sickness or

death.

Mike in GR

>

> Thanks for the information. I will look at these.

>

> Lacy

>

> -- Re Too much Water

>

> I first heard of this when my GF was taking nursing classes in

Lafayette

> Indiana in 1994 and she did clinicals at the Mental Hospital in

Logansport

> on the Water Addiction Unit. These are people who drink gallons of

water a

> day but even athletes or normal people who exercise a lot and drink

a lot

> can become water intoxified. Which causes Hponatremia and other

things.

> Here are some sites I found. I don't think the hospital is on

Loganssport

> any longer. I think i remember my brother who lives there saying

it was

> closed.

> (Illinois)

>

>

http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/faculty/pbird/keepingfit/ARTICLE/toomuchwater.h

tm

>

>

http://www.activesports.co.zw/train_health_nutrition/hnut_water.htm

>

> http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch158/ch158c.html

>

>

>

>

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Just to add my maudlin piece to this - as you all know

my husband is a former narcotics agent, and the

kids/adults who die after taking ecstacy, die because

they over hydrate. It causes metabolic imbalances

which causes the heart to either, stop, beat

irratically or a heart attack. So, yes, over drinking

is dangerous, even simple water.

Debi

--- Giroux wrote:

> I first heard of this when my GF was taking nursing

> classes in Lafayette Indiana in 1994 and she did

> clinicals at the Mental Hospital in Logansport on

> the Water Addiction Unit. These are people who

> drink gallons of water a day but even athletes or

> normal people who exercise a lot and drink a lot can

> become water intoxified. Which causes Hponatremia

> and other things. Here are some sites I found. I

> don't think the hospital is on Loganssport any

> longer. I think i remember my brother who lives

> there saying it was closed.

> (Illinois)

>

>

>

http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/faculty/pbird/keepingfit/ARTICLE/toomuchwater.htm

>

>

>

>

http://www.activesports.co.zw/train_health_nutrition/hnut_water.htm

>

> http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch158/ch158c.html

>

>

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Just to add my maudlin piece to this - as you all know

my husband is a former narcotics agent, and the

kids/adults who die after taking ecstacy, die because

they over hydrate. It causes metabolic imbalances

which causes the heart to either, stop, beat

irratically or a heart attack. So, yes, over drinking

is dangerous, even simple water.

Debi

--- Giroux wrote:

> I first heard of this when my GF was taking nursing

> classes in Lafayette Indiana in 1994 and she did

> clinicals at the Mental Hospital in Logansport on

> the Water Addiction Unit. These are people who

> drink gallons of water a day but even athletes or

> normal people who exercise a lot and drink a lot can

> become water intoxified. Which causes Hponatremia

> and other things. Here are some sites I found. I

> don't think the hospital is on Loganssport any

> longer. I think i remember my brother who lives

> there saying it was closed.

> (Illinois)

>

>

>

http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/faculty/pbird/keepingfit/ARTICLE/toomuchwater.htm

>

>

>

>

http://www.activesports.co.zw/train_health_nutrition/hnut_water.htm

>

> http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch158/ch158c.html

>

>

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How would a girl help with lengthy messages? I had someone tell me I

needed a girl to help with my course work during my first master's

degree. That seemed strange (I achieved a 4.0 GPA with that masters

and the one after that). I'm still not clear on how a girl would have

helped with grades.

I don't watch Grey's Anatomy but I hear it's a pretty good show. I do

like Law and Order though. I've seen every episode about a half dozen

times. I'm no medical or law expert so I'm sufficiently oblivious and

easily entertained by these shows. When I do watch shows that have IT

related episodes (some Law and Orders have been) it is amazing to me

how inaccurate or how many assumptions and how much latitude they

take with the area. Sometimes they're dead wrong. The nightly news is

even a greater culprit. It concerns me because I begin to wonder if I

should rely on it as a source for information on other things like

WLS, nutrition, etc. I've started to look at news/TV as a great drive

by shooting, or a sort of alert to things that are out there to

research further.

You should see some of the emails I send at work. They're quite long

too. Then my co-workers respond with longer emails. To which I

respond with even longer prose. Length is a relative measure though.

I do try to start with a condensed paragraph or sentence that

explains my overall/general premise then follow it up with as much

detail as I think is necessary. I try to hit 70-80% of completeness.

I don't think I could ever get more than 90-95% without performing so

much research that it wouldn't be worth the time I spend for the

results I get.

I do tend to be pretty picky and want lots of sources/information on

things that concern me too, especially, lately, health/sickness/death

and money issues. In turn I tend to think others should be entitled

to the same.

Ok this is getting a little long too isn't it? Maybe you've got a

single relative in the Grand Rapids area?

Mike in GR

> >

> > Thanks for the information. I will look at these.

> >

> > Lacy

> >

> > -- Re Too much Water

> >

> > I first heard of this when my GF was taking nursing classes in

> Lafayette

> > Indiana in 1994 and she did clinicals at the Mental Hospital in

> Logansport

> > on the Water Addiction Unit. These are people who drink gallons

of

> water a

> > day but even athletes or normal people who exercise a lot and

drink

> a lot

> > can become water intoxified. Which causes Hponatremia and other

> things.

> > Here are some sites I found. I don't think the hospital is on

> Loganssport

> > any longer. I think i remember my brother who lives there

saying

> it was

> > closed.

> > (Illinois)

> >

> >

>

http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/faculty/pbird/keepingfit/ARTICLE/toomuchwater.h

> tm

> >

> >

>

http://www.activesports.co.zw/train_health_nutrition/hnut_water.htm

> >

> > http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch158/ch158c.html

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Mike...Love your sense of humor

Mike wrote: In these cases over drinking is a

symptom of the drug abuse. I'd

guess the resulting medical issues from over drinking might be listed

as the cause of death if that results. I'd be interested in finding

out what your husband and the families of the person who died from

over drinking water thought the cause of death was, the over drinking

or the drugs?

Maybe we're dancing around the real question/data/info. Does anyone

have information on WLS surgery patients over drinking water? That

seems more applicable to our situation since I don't think many of us

are taking ecstasy or enrolled in an insane asylum. At least not

recently right?

Mike in GR

>

> > I first heard of this when my GF was taking nursing

> > classes in Lafayette Indiana in 1994 and she did

> > clinicals at the Mental Hospital in Logansport on

> > the Water Addiction Unit. These are people who

> > drink gallons of water a day but even athletes or

> > normal people who exercise a lot and drink a lot can

> > become water intoxified. Which causes Hponatremia

> > and other things. Here are some sites I found. I

> > don't think the hospital is on Loganssport any

> > longer. I think i remember my brother who lives

> > there saying it was closed.

> > (Illinois)

> >

> >

> >

>

http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/faculty/pbird/keepingfit/ARTICLE/toomuchwater.h

tm

> >

> >

> >

> >

> http://www.activesports.co.zw/train_health_nutrition/hnut_water.htm

> >

> > http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch158/ch158c.html

> >

> >

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> > PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

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