Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 I first heard of this when my GF was taking nursing classes in Lafayette Indiana in 1994 and she did clinicals at the Mental Hospital in Logansport on the Water Addiction Unit. These are people who drink gallons of water a day but even athletes or normal people who exercise a lot and drink a lot can become water intoxified. Which causes Hponatremia and other things. Here are some sites I found. I don't think the hospital is on Loganssport any longer. I think i remember my brother who lives there saying it was closed. (Illinois) http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/faculty/pbird/keepingfit/ARTICLE/toomuchwater.htm http://www.activesports.co.zw/train_health_nutrition/hnut_water.htm http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch158/ch158c.html --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Thanks for the information. I will look at these. Lacy -- Re Too much Water I first heard of this when my GF was taking nursing classes in Lafayette Indiana in 1994 and she did clinicals at the Mental Hospital in Logansport on the Water Addiction Unit. These are people who drink gallons of water a day but even athletes or normal people who exercise a lot and drink a lot can become water intoxified. Which causes Hponatremia and other things. Here are some sites I found. I don't think the hospital is on Loganssport any longer. I think i remember my brother who lives there saying it was closed. (Illinois) http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/faculty/pbird/keepingfit/ARTICLE/toomuchwater.htm http://www.activesports.co.zw/train_health_nutrition/hnut_water.htm http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch158/ch158c.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Thanks for the information. I will look at these. Lacy -- Re Too much Water I first heard of this when my GF was taking nursing classes in Lafayette Indiana in 1994 and she did clinicals at the Mental Hospital in Logansport on the Water Addiction Unit. These are people who drink gallons of water a day but even athletes or normal people who exercise a lot and drink a lot can become water intoxified. Which causes Hponatremia and other things. Here are some sites I found. I don't think the hospital is on Loganssport any longer. I think i remember my brother who lives there saying it was closed. (Illinois) http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/faculty/pbird/keepingfit/ARTICLE/toomuchwater.htm http://www.activesports.co.zw/train_health_nutrition/hnut_water.htm http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch158/ch158c.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Thanks for the information. I will look at these. Lacy -- Re Too much Water I first heard of this when my GF was taking nursing classes in Lafayette Indiana in 1994 and she did clinicals at the Mental Hospital in Logansport on the Water Addiction Unit. These are people who drink gallons of water a day but even athletes or normal people who exercise a lot and drink a lot can become water intoxified. Which causes Hponatremia and other things. Here are some sites I found. I don't think the hospital is on Loganssport any longer. I think i remember my brother who lives there saying it was closed. (Illinois) http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/faculty/pbird/keepingfit/ARTICLE/toomuchwater.htm http://www.activesports.co.zw/train_health_nutrition/hnut_water.htm http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch158/ch158c.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 , The first article doesn't tell me anything about amounts. The second article has a lot about " might " and is very light on numbers too. It does say, " Women embarking on self-styled detox regimes, which " flush out " toxins with 4 to 5 liters of water a day, are particularly at risk " . That got me thinking. If a wls surgery patient is supposed to drink 64oz of water a day that's nearly two liters. I have been directed by my PCP to up that because she felt my urine was two concentrated. Personally I think she just caught me at a light water part of the day, just my luck eh? She said I should drink 80-100oz a day. That works out to about 3 liters a day. I highly doubt 4 to 5 liters of water today will affect me. I would consider it possible that it could adversely affect a woman who was a buck, buck and quarter in weight though. I'm 300lbs so I'm not worried about even more than 5 liters. The article goes on to say, " the kidneys can only produce about 14 to 15 liters of urine in 24 hours " That's interesting because the 4 to 5 liters you're not supposed to drink doesn't completely get turned to urine. Some of it is perspired and some used in other ways. The article does say you get additional water from food, especially meats and fruits but I'd doubt that amounts to more than a liter. If we take 6 liters as a rather high amount for a total water intake I'm not connecting how that's bad for the kidneys if they can generate over twice that much in urine in 24 hours. Maybe they were saying if you consume too much water TOO QUICKLY. Now THAT I can really get into. There are cases I've read of where idiots, usually college students, get sick or die form water drinking contests where people compete to see how much they can drink in X minutes. Finally the third article looks good! " an adult with normal kidney function would have to drink more than 2 gallons of water a day on a regular basis. " It talks about hyponatremia which is " low " sodium levels in the blood. It doesn't even say if it's dangerous though, let alone death. I'm going to assume those are possibilities though. It does go on to say that it usually occurs in people with kidneys that do not excrete urine normally. Well NO KIDDING! The article seems strange in that it says hyponatremia causes the blood to have low sodium levels but further down it says the treatment is to sometimes reduce the intake of sodium because it causes the body to retain water. I guess that's in cases where there's something causing the hyponatremia other than large amounts of water being consumed. One gallon is 128oz, two gallons is 256oz. That means someone would have to consume 256oz of water a day on a " regular basis " (whatever that means). Let's break that down. That translates to 32 – 8oz glasses of water. Most of us have been told 8 glasses. If you're like me and used to drinking the ½ liter bottles of water that works out to over 15. My day usually consists of a 32oz glass of crystal light in the morning, 5 or 6 - ½ liters throughout the day and then maybe something like two more 32oz drinks in the evening. That works out to under 200oz a day. There's a very good chance I don't hit that every day by falling under it 50oz but I might also go above it some days maybe 32oz or so we'll say (very rare indeed). So I NEVER hit the 256oz mark, let alone on a basis of anything remotely termed a " regular basis " . As a side note I, unfortunately, find myself consuming foods that contain a lot of natural sodium. I really do try to go with low sodium alternatives and never salt my food directly. Still there it is gobs of sodium everywhere. I'm guessing I pull about 125% - 175% of the RDA sodium a day. I wonder how that would affect my chances of hyponatremia since I'd have more sodium available to my body. There's a lot of good info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia too. No real numbers on what is too much though. It does talk about the use of drugs or extreme athletic events that can cause over consumption of fluids while also quickly depleting electrolytes and sodium causing hyponatremia. In http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hyponatremia/AN01140 it says that " The International Marathon Medical Directors Association recommends that, during extended exercise, athletes drink no more than 31 ounces (or about 800 milliliters) of water per hour. " Wow .I'm awake from about 4am to 10pm. If I drank more than 31 ounces per hour I'd be getting in 558 ounces. Now that's a lot of water. I can't even do half that. Why would I want to? I think this is the hospital you're talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logansport_State_Hospital Here's an article that I think is exactly what you were talking about as far as water addiction at that hospital: http://tinyurl.com/nhrfd. I think I may have found the full article as a PDF here http://tinyurl.com/rh784 but it looks like you have to pay to get it. That's not fair! From these descriptions though it appears to be referencing people with psychological disorders that causes them to drink excessive amounts of water. Being asked or drinking a lot of water (even nearly 200oz a day) is not excessive and, more importantly, not a psychological disorder. I appreciate the cautions and I hope they keep coming but I'm not about to base my water intake or anything else on a single source that deals with an unusual example(s) or multiple sources that don't speak to definite quantifiable amounts which I can compare my consumption or that show I'm, in fact, not consuming too much and doubt I ever could achieve their warning level let alone sickness or death. Mike in GR > > Thanks for the information. I will look at these. > > Lacy > > -- Re Too much Water > > I first heard of this when my GF was taking nursing classes in Lafayette > Indiana in 1994 and she did clinicals at the Mental Hospital in Logansport > on the Water Addiction Unit. These are people who drink gallons of water a > day but even athletes or normal people who exercise a lot and drink a lot > can become water intoxified. Which causes Hponatremia and other things. > Here are some sites I found. I don't think the hospital is on Loganssport > any longer. I think i remember my brother who lives there saying it was > closed. > (Illinois) > > http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/faculty/pbird/keepingfit/ARTICLE/toomuchwater.h tm > > http://www.activesports.co.zw/train_health_nutrition/hnut_water.htm > > http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch158/ch158c.html > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Just to add my maudlin piece to this - as you all know my husband is a former narcotics agent, and the kids/adults who die after taking ecstacy, die because they over hydrate. It causes metabolic imbalances which causes the heart to either, stop, beat irratically or a heart attack. So, yes, over drinking is dangerous, even simple water. Debi --- Giroux wrote: > I first heard of this when my GF was taking nursing > classes in Lafayette Indiana in 1994 and she did > clinicals at the Mental Hospital in Logansport on > the Water Addiction Unit. These are people who > drink gallons of water a day but even athletes or > normal people who exercise a lot and drink a lot can > become water intoxified. Which causes Hponatremia > and other things. Here are some sites I found. I > don't think the hospital is on Loganssport any > longer. I think i remember my brother who lives > there saying it was closed. > (Illinois) > > > http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/faculty/pbird/keepingfit/ARTICLE/toomuchwater.htm > > > > http://www.activesports.co.zw/train_health_nutrition/hnut_water.htm > > http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch158/ch158c.html > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make > PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Just to add my maudlin piece to this - as you all know my husband is a former narcotics agent, and the kids/adults who die after taking ecstacy, die because they over hydrate. It causes metabolic imbalances which causes the heart to either, stop, beat irratically or a heart attack. So, yes, over drinking is dangerous, even simple water. Debi --- Giroux wrote: > I first heard of this when my GF was taking nursing > classes in Lafayette Indiana in 1994 and she did > clinicals at the Mental Hospital in Logansport on > the Water Addiction Unit. These are people who > drink gallons of water a day but even athletes or > normal people who exercise a lot and drink a lot can > become water intoxified. Which causes Hponatremia > and other things. Here are some sites I found. I > don't think the hospital is on Loganssport any > longer. I think i remember my brother who lives > there saying it was closed. > (Illinois) > > > http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/faculty/pbird/keepingfit/ARTICLE/toomuchwater.htm > > > > http://www.activesports.co.zw/train_health_nutrition/hnut_water.htm > > http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch158/ch158c.html > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make > PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 How would a girl help with lengthy messages? I had someone tell me I needed a girl to help with my course work during my first master's degree. That seemed strange (I achieved a 4.0 GPA with that masters and the one after that). I'm still not clear on how a girl would have helped with grades. I don't watch Grey's Anatomy but I hear it's a pretty good show. I do like Law and Order though. I've seen every episode about a half dozen times. I'm no medical or law expert so I'm sufficiently oblivious and easily entertained by these shows. When I do watch shows that have IT related episodes (some Law and Orders have been) it is amazing to me how inaccurate or how many assumptions and how much latitude they take with the area. Sometimes they're dead wrong. The nightly news is even a greater culprit. It concerns me because I begin to wonder if I should rely on it as a source for information on other things like WLS, nutrition, etc. I've started to look at news/TV as a great drive by shooting, or a sort of alert to things that are out there to research further. You should see some of the emails I send at work. They're quite long too. Then my co-workers respond with longer emails. To which I respond with even longer prose. Length is a relative measure though. I do try to start with a condensed paragraph or sentence that explains my overall/general premise then follow it up with as much detail as I think is necessary. I try to hit 70-80% of completeness. I don't think I could ever get more than 90-95% without performing so much research that it wouldn't be worth the time I spend for the results I get. I do tend to be pretty picky and want lots of sources/information on things that concern me too, especially, lately, health/sickness/death and money issues. In turn I tend to think others should be entitled to the same. Ok this is getting a little long too isn't it? Maybe you've got a single relative in the Grand Rapids area? Mike in GR > > > > Thanks for the information. I will look at these. > > > > Lacy > > > > -- Re Too much Water > > > > I first heard of this when my GF was taking nursing classes in > Lafayette > > Indiana in 1994 and she did clinicals at the Mental Hospital in > Logansport > > on the Water Addiction Unit. These are people who drink gallons of > water a > > day but even athletes or normal people who exercise a lot and drink > a lot > > can become water intoxified. Which causes Hponatremia and other > things. > > Here are some sites I found. I don't think the hospital is on > Loganssport > > any longer. I think i remember my brother who lives there saying > it was > > closed. > > (Illinois) > > > > > http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/faculty/pbird/keepingfit/ARTICLE/toomuchwater.h > tm > > > > > http://www.activesports.co.zw/train_health_nutrition/hnut_water.htm > > > > http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch158/ch158c.html > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Mike...Love your sense of humor Mike wrote: In these cases over drinking is a symptom of the drug abuse. I'd guess the resulting medical issues from over drinking might be listed as the cause of death if that results. I'd be interested in finding out what your husband and the families of the person who died from over drinking water thought the cause of death was, the over drinking or the drugs? Maybe we're dancing around the real question/data/info. Does anyone have information on WLS surgery patients over drinking water? That seems more applicable to our situation since I don't think many of us are taking ecstasy or enrolled in an insane asylum. At least not recently right? Mike in GR > > > I first heard of this when my GF was taking nursing > > classes in Lafayette Indiana in 1994 and she did > > clinicals at the Mental Hospital in Logansport on > > the Water Addiction Unit. These are people who > > drink gallons of water a day but even athletes or > > normal people who exercise a lot and drink a lot can > > become water intoxified. Which causes Hponatremia > > and other things. Here are some sites I found. I > > don't think the hospital is on Loganssport any > > longer. I think i remember my brother who lives > > there saying it was closed. > > (Illinois) > > > > > > > http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/faculty/pbird/keepingfit/ARTICLE/toomuchwater.h tm > > > > > > > > > http://www.activesports.co.zw/train_health_nutrition/hnut_water.htm > > > > http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch158/ch158c.html > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make > > PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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