nitric oxide-may be the answer?

[Guest guest]

Please note these are just my thoughts and observations:

I decided to research nitric oxide based on Dr. Nases discoveries.

There is recent research into the possibility that the CAUSE of

rosacea is an overproduction of nitric oxide. The theory is that we

inherited a gene that makes us produce too much nitric oxide.

" In the mammalian brain, nitric oxide (NO) is responsible for a

vasodilatory tonus as well as the elevation of cerebral blood flow

(CBF) "

The above could explain why it happens on our face and not really

anywhere else.

So, since we cannot get any L-name (the pharmaceutical drug that

blocks the synthesis of nitric oxide) I decided to greatly reduce

arginine rich foods from my diet. Nitric Oxide is produced in the

body from arginine. Arginine is found in protein rich foods. See

list at bottom.

I also am taking glucosamine sulfate which is supposed to help block

nitric oxide production.

The scary part is that so far my fluching is reduced greatly, but it

is too soon to tell if it is a coincidence. Does anyone else want to

try this for a few days to see if it helps them?

I am sticking to these foods: fruits (except the ones with little

seeds like strawberries), veggies (except tomato), potatos, white

rice, butter, olive oil, those olive oil potato chips (not the ones

with cottonSEED oil or any seed oils. Some ice cream is OK-but the

rich kind, not the reduced fat. I have very small amounts of:milk,

meat, mild cheddar, mozzerella, seafood - I sort of combine the

little bit of meat with rice or a rice/veggie stir fry. I might have

a salad topped with an ounce of fresh salmon with a side of mashed

potatoes - or just a big salad. stuff like that. I eat a lot of

fruits.

ARGININE RICH FOODS to stay away from are:

High protein foods (meat, eggs, nuts, seeds)(i did not realize this

before. A LITTLE bit is ok)

carob

chocolate

coconut

dairy products (a little mild cheddar or mozzerela is fine)

dairy

cottage cheese

gelatin (hidden in many products including gelatin tablets. I pour

contents of those in water and take that way. Also in candies,

whipped topping, anything with that smooth texture - jello, custard,

etc)

oats

seeds

nuts

soybeans

wheat

Spices: nutmeg, cumin, caraway, fennel, coriander

UGH!

I do not know if this diet is realistic to stick to or even healthy,

but at least gives a feeling of control.

Patty

> What do all of you think about this? Do you think this is going to

be the answers to our prayers? Will you have to use it everyday

forever? I am really looking forward to it. I just wonder why it

takes so long for this to come out. If they really think its going

to help then why aren't they trying to hurry up and get it out for

us?

>

> Sheila

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow! Thanks for getting the research on this together. I hope the

pharmaceutical companies don't sit on this or charge an exorbitant

price for it. Maybe Dr. Nase should start producing this substance

and selling it. I know we all want to get our hands on this NO

inhibitor.

Yes, that diet does seem to be hard to stick to. I don't know if I

would try it because I need a protein source due to another chronic

condition I have.

I wonder, too, if Mark B's diet somehow reduces the production of

excessive NO in some of us. I really don't know why it works, but it

really does.

Take care,

Matija

> > What do all of you think about this? Do you think this is going

to

> be the answers to our prayers? Will you have to use it everyday

> forever? I am really looking forward to it. I just wonder why it

> takes so long for this to come out. If they really think its going

> to help then why aren't they trying to hurry up and get it out for

> us?

> >

> > Sheila

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Wow! Thanks for getting the research on this together. I hope the

pharmaceutical companies don't sit on this or charge an exorbitant

price for it. Maybe Dr. Nase should start producing this substance

and selling it. I know we all want to get our hands on this NO

inhibitor.

Yes, that diet does seem to be hard to stick to. I don't know if I

would try it because I need a protein source due to another chronic

condition I have.

I wonder, too, if Mark B's diet somehow reduces the production of

excessive NO in some of us. I really don't know why it works, but it

really does.

Take care,

Matija

> > What do all of you think about this? Do you think this is going

to

> be the answers to our prayers? Will you have to use it everyday

> forever? I am really looking forward to it. I just wonder why it

> takes so long for this to come out. If they really think its going

> to help then why aren't they trying to hurry up and get it out for

> us?

> >

> > Sheila

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Patty,

This is very interesting. Please keep us posted on how your condition

responds to the diet.

~Jim (whe eats raw flax and sunflower seeds every day)

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Please note these are just my thoughts and observations:

I decided to research nitric oxide based on Dr. Nases discoveries.

There is recent research into the possibility that the CAUSE of

rosacea is an overproduction of nitric oxide. The theory is that we

inherited a gene that makes us produce too much nitric oxide.

" In the mammalian brain, nitric oxide (NO) is responsible for a

vasodilatory tonus as well as the elevation of cerebral blood flow

(CBF) "

The above could explain why it happens on our face and not really

anywhere else.

So, since we cannot get any L-name (the pharmaceutical drug that

blocks the synthesis of nitric oxide) I decided to greatly reduce

arginine rich foods from my diet. Nitric Oxide is produced in the

body from arginine. Arginine is found in protein rich foods. See

list at bottom.

I also am taking glucosamine sulfate which is supposed to help block

nitric oxide production.

The scary part is that so far my fluching is reduced greatly, but it

is too soon to tell if it is a coincidence. Does anyone else want to

try this for a few days to see if it helps them?

I am sticking to these foods: fruits (except the ones with little

seeds like strawberries), veggies (except tomato), potatos, white

rice, butter, olive oil, those olive oil potato chips (not the ones

with cottonSEED oil or any seed oils. Some ice cream is OK-but the

rich kind, not the reduced fat. I have very small amounts of:milk,

meat, mild cheddar, mozzerella, seafood - I sort of combine the

little bit of meat with rice or a rice/veggie stir fry. I might have

a salad topped with an ounce of fresh salmon with a side of mashed

potatoes - or just a big salad. stuff like that. I eat a lot of

fruits.

ARGININE RICH FOODS to stay away from are:

High protein foods (meat, eggs, nuts, seeds)(i did not realize this

before. A LITTLE bit is ok)

carob

chocolate

coconut

dairy products (a little mild cheddar or mozzerela is fine)

dairy

cottage cheese

gelatin (hidden in many products including gelatin tablets. I pour

contents of those in water and take that way. Also in candies,

whipped topping, anything with that smooth texture - jello, custard,

etc)

oats

seeds

nuts

soybeans

wheat

Spices: nutmeg, cumin, caraway, fennel, coriander

UGH!

I do not know if this diet is realistic to stick to or even healthy,

but at least gives a feeling of control.

Patty

[Guest guest]

I find this topic very interesting. I never paid much attention to

the diet aspect of cea because (1) my symptoms to date are not

severe & I rarely flush and (2) due to a number of food allergies,

I've always had a healthy diet.

I'm lactose intolerent, never could digest meat or wheat very well, so

many of the things on the list I don't ingest ingest anyway. This is

probably a stretch, but I'm wondering if this is why my symptoms are

kept at bay. I'm sure there are many macrobiotic vegetarians and

other alternate food lifestyers who have great diets and still suffer,

however, it's definitely a factor to consider. GT

[Guest guest]

I find this topic very interesting. I never paid much attention to

the diet aspect of cea because (1) my symptoms to date are not

severe & I rarely flush and (2) due to a number of food allergies,

I've always had a healthy diet.

I'm lactose intolerent, never could digest meat or wheat very well, so

many of the things on the list I don't ingest ingest anyway. This is

probably a stretch, but I'm wondering if this is why my symptoms are

kept at bay. I'm sure there are many macrobiotic vegetarians and

other alternate food lifestyers who have great diets and still suffer,

however, it's definitely a factor to consider. GT

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jim. YIKES! Sunflower seeds have the MOST arginine! I just

compiled this list showing arginine content by parts per million. It

gives a good idea of the types of foods high in arginine I am

avoiding. I draw the line somewhere around 5,000ppm. In general,

fruits (except plum) and veggies are lowest; meats, nuts, some

spices, and seafood are highest. I plan to adjust a bit based on the

list. You might switch to apples from sunflower seeds since apples

are the lowest in arginine ; )

Arginine content from most to least:

carob, chocolate, gelatin, raisins are high but no data was found.

FOOD ARGININE

sunflower seeds 82,000ppm

nutmeg

fennel

coriander

black cumin 53,000ppm

black caraway

pine nuts

peanut butter

pumpkin seeds

peanuts 35,000ppm

sesame seeds

soybean

egg, whole dried

fenugreek

walnuts

almonds 25,000ppm

snails

beans (sprout, seedling)

lentil (seed)

brazil nuts

pistachios, shelled

poppyseed

beef, dried

hazelnuts

flax seed, linseed

shrimp 18,000ppm

tuna, in water

ginseng

crab

caviar-black and red

sardines in oil, drained

annato

wild pheasant

chicken, light

chicken breast

plum 13,500ppm (wierd-most fruits are low)

chicken gizzard

shark

liver

abalone

scallops

beef round steak

pork leg

chicken, dark

oat flakes 12,000ppm

ground beef, lean

swordfish

salmon

beef tenderloin

beef chuck roast

pork shoulder

beef sirloin steak 11,500ppm

whitefish

egg yolk

oats, puffed

ground beef

mackerel

pecans

chicken liver

porterhouse steak

cod

beef tbone steak

mozzarella skim

beef rib roast

wheat germ

goose, domesticated

cheddar 9,500

pork loin chop

clams

beef short ribs

macadamia nuts

Beets

chicken leg

chicken drumstick

egg, whole 7,800ppm

squash, winter

mayonnaise

pork spareribs

wheat flakes

bran flakes

chicken wing

garlic

ricotta cheese

cottage cheese, lowfat 6,200ppm

lentil sprouts

egg white

wheat, shredded

coconut, shredded

rice, puffed 5,200ppm

wheat, puffed

oysters ---------------------------------------------------

lima beans, cooked

peas, green

corn, puffed

soybean sprouts

strawberries

chestnuts, fresh

cashews 3,000ppm

milk evaporated

chicken neck

watercress

spinach

rutabega

broccoli 1,500ppm

asparagus

milk ice

apricot, dried

black bean soup

ice cream 1,300ppm

corn

Milk skim

milk 2%

milk whole

wip cream, pressureized

swiss chard

Vegetable w beef soup

mushrooms

coffee cream

chicken rice soup

cauliflower

yams

turnip greens

new england clam chowder

potato

peach, dried

lettuce, romaine

brussels sprouts

cabbage, chinese

okra

minestrone soup

beef noodle soup 800ppm

whipping cream light

leeks

sweet potato

lettuce, iceberg

chicken noodle soup

cabbage, common

dates

cream of wheat

turkey noodle soup

endive

oatmeal

watermelon

beet green

squash, summer

grapes

corn grits

grape juice

carrots

apricot

peppers, sweet

vegetarian vegetable soup

sherbert

radish

pumpkin

cream of mushroom soup 390

collards

cream of asparagus soup

cucumber

blueberries

blackberries

pear, dried

tangerine

cream of potato soup

apple, dried

butter 284ppm

cream of celery soup

turnips

persimmon

celery

peach

mango

pear, dried

apple 53ppm

applesauce, unsweetened

Patty

> Hi Patty,

>

> This is very interesting. Please keep us posted on how your

condition

> responds to the diet.

>

> ~Jim (whe eats raw flax and sunflower seeds every day)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jim. YIKES! Sunflower seeds have the MOST arginine! I just

compiled this list showing arginine content by parts per million. It

gives a good idea of the types of foods high in arginine I am

avoiding. I draw the line somewhere around 5,000ppm. In general,

fruits (except plum) and veggies are lowest; meats, nuts, some

spices, and seafood are highest. I plan to adjust a bit based on the

list. You might switch to apples from sunflower seeds since apples

are the lowest in arginine ; )

Arginine content from most to least:

carob, chocolate, gelatin, raisins are high but no data was found.

FOOD ARGININE

sunflower seeds 82,000ppm

nutmeg

fennel

coriander

black cumin 53,000ppm

black caraway

pine nuts

peanut butter

pumpkin seeds

peanuts 35,000ppm

sesame seeds

soybean

egg, whole dried

fenugreek

walnuts

almonds 25,000ppm

snails

beans (sprout, seedling)

lentil (seed)

brazil nuts

pistachios, shelled

poppyseed

beef, dried

hazelnuts

flax seed, linseed

shrimp 18,000ppm

tuna, in water

ginseng

crab

caviar-black and red

sardines in oil, drained

annato

wild pheasant

chicken, light

chicken breast

plum 13,500ppm (wierd-most fruits are low)

chicken gizzard

shark

liver

abalone

scallops

beef round steak

pork leg

chicken, dark

oat flakes 12,000ppm

ground beef, lean

swordfish

salmon

beef tenderloin

beef chuck roast

pork shoulder

beef sirloin steak 11,500ppm

whitefish

egg yolk

oats, puffed

ground beef

mackerel

pecans

chicken liver

porterhouse steak

cod

beef tbone steak

mozzarella skim

beef rib roast

wheat germ

goose, domesticated

cheddar 9,500

pork loin chop

clams

beef short ribs

macadamia nuts

Beets

chicken leg

chicken drumstick

egg, whole 7,800ppm

squash, winter

mayonnaise

pork spareribs

wheat flakes

bran flakes

chicken wing

garlic

ricotta cheese

cottage cheese, lowfat 6,200ppm

lentil sprouts

egg white

wheat, shredded

coconut, shredded

rice, puffed 5,200ppm

wheat, puffed

oysters ---------------------------------------------------

lima beans, cooked

peas, green

corn, puffed

soybean sprouts

strawberries

chestnuts, fresh

cashews 3,000ppm

milk evaporated

chicken neck

watercress

spinach

rutabega

broccoli 1,500ppm

asparagus

milk ice

apricot, dried

black bean soup

ice cream 1,300ppm

corn

Milk skim

milk 2%

milk whole

wip cream, pressureized

swiss chard

Vegetable w beef soup

mushrooms

coffee cream

chicken rice soup

cauliflower

yams

turnip greens

new england clam chowder

potato

peach, dried

lettuce, romaine

brussels sprouts

cabbage, chinese

okra

minestrone soup

beef noodle soup 800ppm

whipping cream light

leeks

sweet potato

lettuce, iceberg

chicken noodle soup

cabbage, common

dates

cream of wheat

turkey noodle soup

endive

oatmeal

watermelon

beet green

squash, summer

grapes

corn grits

grape juice

carrots

apricot

peppers, sweet

vegetarian vegetable soup

sherbert

radish

pumpkin

cream of mushroom soup 390

collards

cream of asparagus soup

cucumber

blueberries

blackberries

pear, dried

tangerine

cream of potato soup

apple, dried

butter 284ppm

cream of celery soup

turnips

persimmon

celery

peach

mango

pear, dried

apple 53ppm

applesauce, unsweetened

Patty

> Hi Patty,

>

> This is very interesting. Please keep us posted on how your

condition

> responds to the diet.

>

> ~Jim (whe eats raw flax and sunflower seeds every day)

>

>

[Guest guest]

GT:

Hmmmm... this is very interesting. I have always felt that diet had

a definate impact, but was never quite sure how except for the

obvious immediate triggers like red wine. I just knew that a lot of

wheat and most processed foods made it worse overall for whatever

reason. I never considered meat. I always eat a lot of meat and my

rosacea is moderate. I get flushing and burning almost every day.

BUT, lately it is much better with the diet change emphasizing

veggies, fruits, and other low arginine foods. It's still too soon

to tell, but your input is encouraging.

So, maybe your allergies and sensitivities to meat, dairy, and wheat

are a blessing in disguise ; )

Thanks, Patty

> I find this topic very interesting. I never paid much attention to

> the diet aspect of cea because (1) my symptoms to date are not

> severe & I rarely flush and (2) due to a number of food allergies,

> I've always had a healthy diet.

>

> I'm lactose intolerent, never could digest meat or wheat very well,

so

> many of the things on the list I don't ingest ingest anyway. This

is

> probably a stretch, but I'm wondering if this is why my symptoms

are

> kept at bay. I'm sure there are many macrobiotic vegetarians and

> other alternate food lifestyers who have great diets and still

suffer,

> however, it's definitely a factor to consider. GT

[Guest guest]

GT:

Hmmmm... this is very interesting. I have always felt that diet had

a definate impact, but was never quite sure how except for the

obvious immediate triggers like red wine. I just knew that a lot of

wheat and most processed foods made it worse overall for whatever

reason. I never considered meat. I always eat a lot of meat and my

rosacea is moderate. I get flushing and burning almost every day.

BUT, lately it is much better with the diet change emphasizing

veggies, fruits, and other low arginine foods. It's still too soon

to tell, but your input is encouraging.

So, maybe your allergies and sensitivities to meat, dairy, and wheat

are a blessing in disguise ; )

Thanks, Patty

> I find this topic very interesting. I never paid much attention to

> the diet aspect of cea because (1) my symptoms to date are not

> severe & I rarely flush and (2) due to a number of food allergies,

> I've always had a healthy diet.

>

> I'm lactose intolerent, never could digest meat or wheat very well,

so

> many of the things on the list I don't ingest ingest anyway. This

is

> probably a stretch, but I'm wondering if this is why my symptoms

are

> kept at bay. I'm sure there are many macrobiotic vegetarians and

> other alternate food lifestyers who have great diets and still

suffer,

> however, it's definitely a factor to consider. GT