Re: Question about arching/airplaning

[Guest guest]

Hello

The airplaning is a sign of a weak trunk and tight back muscles. Do

not let him do this too much. When you do tummy time make sure he

uses his arms and head to stay up and NOT his back. You can do this

by putting a little wedge under his trunk to help him out at first

to get used to supporting with his arms vs his back. We saw neuro

for this and in my daughter's case they did watch this, but we

worked with her non stop (I was at home with EDIS, and private PT as

well) so my daughter was worked with 7days a wk with 3 sessions of

pro therapy and then me stretching / working with her at least 2 to

3hrs per day.

One exercises that helped her out a lot was to lay her on a table

and let her legs dangle off the table completely. Of course you

have to be right there so he doesn't slide off, but that gives them

no choice but to pick up their legs and build tummy muscles.

Then the side that he doesn't want to turn to you can bend his leg

up and lift his arm and roll him, then after you've done this about

a gazillion times you just coach him anymore and he will evtl learn

to roll that way too.

I hope this helped some.

Sandy Willow's Mom

>

> Hi again all - new to group - intro'ed earlier this week. I am

just

> trying to get some clarification on some posts I have been reading

> about certain motor behaviors being associated w/ tort. There are

> two in particular, one is the arching of the back - I thought alot

> of babies arched their back when they are fussy or hungry? Also -

> and more importantly, the airplaning references or in a recent

> post " sky diver " posturing. Jake does this frequently, when

trying

> to roll over from tummy to back and also when I hold him up in the

> air, I call it his Superman pose and do the whole Superman

> theme " Suuuupermannnnn, da duh da da duh daaaaaa " and make a game

> out of it, he smiles so big - loves it. Anyway, neither the ped

at

> any visits nor the plastic surgeon we saw this week have mentioned

> anything of him having tort. He has full range of motion in his

> neck, though does tend to favor his flat side, I figured that was

> just because he was flat there. He can turn both ways just fine

and

> even when he won't turn to his rounder side, sometimes I make him

> (gently of course) to make sure he keeps that range of motion and

he

> does turn that way without fuss or struggle it seems, all the way,

> chin in line with the shoulder. The posts have me worried now

> though that we all might be missing something important and after

> further reading that undiagnosed tort, even mild, can cause motor

> development delays down the road toward early school age. Well, I

> just need some help understanding what those other posts are

talking

> about so I can decide if Jake needs further eval, possibly seen by

a

> PT. Zach does not exhibit the same " airplaning " moves, well - he

did

> for awhile while learning to roll but not as much and now not

> anymore, but he does arch his back too. They both are about right

in

> line for their physical development considering their adjusted age

> of just under 6 months. They are rolling both ways and doing the

> tripod thing in preparation for sitting up on their own (not yet

> though, except maybe a few lucky well balanced seconds here and

> there). My husband and I both have been determined to let them

> develop at their own pace without worrying too much

> about " milestones " but I don't want to miss something important in

> the process, please help!! They are being casted a week from today

> and were both diagnosed with severe plagio by the surgeon earlier

> this week. Thanks for any help you can offer.

>

>

> & Zachary 12/31/05

>

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

My daughter Anwen airplaned all the time...Her P.T. observed her

doing it, but just said that she would start bringing her hands

together more and more while on her tummy, and she has. (she is 7

months old w/ plagio/tort) It was my understanding that airplaning

was a normal part of development. My son on the other hand has never

airplaned, and is absolutely terrible on his tummy.... I fear that

he will skip the crawling stage and go straight to walking because

he never developed those muscles.

I think one of the biggest indicator of torticollis that you could

try to look for is the head tilt, esp. if your son has good range of

motion and looks both ways. I would watch for that, but in the

meantime, it would not hurt to get your babies evaluated by a

pediatric physical therapist just for peace of mind. My son doesn't

have plagio or tort, but still has mild flattening on the left back

of his head. I wondered if he had a mild case of tort, so asked my

daugher's pt to look at him. He is fine, just an unfortunate

preference..

I hope others comment on this, because I'm curious about what

other's p.t.'s have told them about airplaning....

Good luck with the bands!

Tricia Reimer

Mom to Anwen (Docband Grad 6/06) and

12/22/05

>

> Hi again all - new to group - intro'ed earlier this week. I am

just

> trying to get some clarification on some posts I have been reading

> about certain motor behaviors being associated w/ tort. There are

> two in particular, one is the arching of the back - I thought alot

> of babies arched their back when they are fussy or hungry? Also -

> and more importantly, the airplaning references or in a recent

> post " sky diver " posturing. Jake does this frequently, when

trying

> to roll over from tummy to back and also when I hold him up in the

> air, I call it his Superman pose and do the whole Superman

> theme " Suuuupermannnnn, da duh da da duh daaaaaa " and make a game

> out of it, he smiles so big - loves it. Anyway, neither the ped

at

> any visits nor the plastic surgeon we saw this week have mentioned

> anything of him having tort. He has full range of motion in his

> neck, though does tend to favor his flat side, I figured that was

> just because he was flat there. He can turn both ways just fine

and

> even when he won't turn to his rounder side, sometimes I make him

> (gently of course) to make sure he keeps that range of motion and

he

> does turn that way without fuss or struggle it seems, all the way,

> chin in line with the shoulder. The posts have me worried now

> though that we all might be missing something important and after

> further reading that undiagnosed tort, even mild, can cause motor

> development delays down the road toward early school age. Well, I

> just need some help understanding what those other posts are

talking

> about so I can decide if Jake needs further eval, possibly seen by

a

> PT. Zach does not exhibit the same " airplaning " moves, well - he

did

> for awhile while learning to roll but not as much and now not

> anymore, but he does arch his back too. They both are about right

in

> line for their physical development considering their adjusted age

> of just under 6 months. They are rolling both ways and doing the

> tripod thing in preparation for sitting up on their own (not yet

> though, except maybe a few lucky well balanced seconds here and

> there). My husband and I both have been determined to let them

> develop at their own pace without worrying too much

> about " milestones " but I don't want to miss something important in

> the process, please help!! They are being casted a week from today

> and were both diagnosed with severe plagio by the surgeon earlier

> this week. Thanks for any help you can offer.

>

>

> & Zachary 12/31/05

>

[Guest guest]

hi all,

Ignore my last post. Our pt wasn't concerned about airplaning, but I

will ask her new one..

She has since stopped and mostly pushes up on her hands and does the

army crawl...

Tricia Reimer

> >

> > Hi again all - new to group - intro'ed earlier this week. I am

> just

> > trying to get some clarification on some posts I have been

reading

> > about certain motor behaviors being associated w/ tort. There

are

> > two in particular, one is the arching of the back - I thought

alot

> > of babies arched their back when they are fussy or hungry? Also -

> > and more importantly, the airplaning references or in a recent

> > post " sky diver " posturing. Jake does this frequently, when

> trying

> > to roll over from tummy to back and also when I hold him up in

the

> > air, I call it his Superman pose and do the whole Superman

> > theme " Suuuupermannnnn, da duh da da duh daaaaaa " and make a

game

> > out of it, he smiles so big - loves it. Anyway, neither the ped

> at

> > any visits nor the plastic surgeon we saw this week have

mentioned

> > anything of him having tort. He has full range of motion in his

> > neck, though does tend to favor his flat side, I figured that

was

> > just because he was flat there. He can turn both ways just fine

> and

> > even when he won't turn to his rounder side, sometimes I make

him

> > (gently of course) to make sure he keeps that range of motion

and

> he

> > does turn that way without fuss or struggle it seems, all the

way,

> > chin in line with the shoulder. The posts have me worried now

> > though that we all might be missing something important and

after

> > further reading that undiagnosed tort, even mild, can cause

motor

> > development delays down the road toward early school age. Well,

I

> > just need some help understanding what those other posts are

> talking

> > about so I can decide if Jake needs further eval, possibly seen

by

> a

> > PT. Zach does not exhibit the same " airplaning " moves, well - he

> did

> > for awhile while learning to roll but not as much and now not

> > anymore, but he does arch his back too. They both are about

right

> in

> > line for their physical development considering their adjusted

age

> > of just under 6 months. They are rolling both ways and doing the

> > tripod thing in preparation for sitting up on their own (not yet

> > though, except maybe a few lucky well balanced seconds here and

> > there). My husband and I both have been determined to let them

> > develop at their own pace without worrying too much

> > about " milestones " but I don't want to miss something important

in

> > the process, please help!! They are being casted a week from

today

> > and were both diagnosed with severe plagio by the surgeon

earlier

> > this week. Thanks for any help you can offer.

> >

> >

> > & Zachary 12/31/05

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tricia

Airplaning every now and again is not a big deal, but when they do

this all the time like you described it is b/c they are not using

the right muscles to support them and they are strengthening the

back where the front stays weak. High tone / low tone case in my

daughter's case. I replied to another post earlier with exercises

you can do for this.

Sandy Willow's Mom

> >

> > Hi again all - new to group - intro'ed earlier this week. I am

> just

> > trying to get some clarification on some posts I have been

reading

> > about certain motor behaviors being associated w/ tort. There

are

> > two in particular, one is the arching of the back - I thought

alot

> > of babies arched their back when they are fussy or hungry? Also -

> > and more importantly, the airplaning references or in a recent

> > post " sky diver " posturing. Jake does this frequently, when

> trying

> > to roll over from tummy to back and also when I hold him up in

the

> > air, I call it his Superman pose and do the whole Superman

> > theme " Suuuupermannnnn, da duh da da duh daaaaaa " and make a

game

> > out of it, he smiles so big - loves it. Anyway, neither the ped

> at

> > any visits nor the plastic surgeon we saw this week have

mentioned

> > anything of him having tort. He has full range of motion in his

> > neck, though does tend to favor his flat side, I figured that

was

> > just because he was flat there. He can turn both ways just fine

> and

> > even when he won't turn to his rounder side, sometimes I make

him

> > (gently of course) to make sure he keeps that range of motion

and

> he

> > does turn that way without fuss or struggle it seems, all the

way,

> > chin in line with the shoulder. The posts have me worried now

> > though that we all might be missing something important and

after

> > further reading that undiagnosed tort, even mild, can cause

motor

> > development delays down the road toward early school age. Well,

I

> > just need some help understanding what those other posts are

> talking

> > about so I can decide if Jake needs further eval, possibly seen

by

> a

> > PT. Zach does not exhibit the same " airplaning " moves, well - he

> did

> > for awhile while learning to roll but not as much and now not

> > anymore, but he does arch his back too. They both are about

right

> in

> > line for their physical development considering their adjusted

age

> > of just under 6 months. They are rolling both ways and doing the

> > tripod thing in preparation for sitting up on their own (not yet

> > though, except maybe a few lucky well balanced seconds here and

> > there). My husband and I both have been determined to let them

> > develop at their own pace without worrying too much

> > about " milestones " but I don't want to miss something important

in

> > the process, please help!! They are being casted a week from

today

> > and were both diagnosed with severe plagio by the surgeon

earlier

> > this week. Thanks for any help you can offer.

> >

> >

> > & Zachary 12/31/05

> >

>

[Guest guest]

If she is pushing up on her arms then that is what you want. Like I

said some airplaning is normal, but all the time is not. )

Sandy

> > >

> > > Hi again all - new to group - intro'ed earlier this week. I

am

> > just

> > > trying to get some clarification on some posts I have been

> reading

> > > about certain motor behaviors being associated w/ tort. There

> are

> > > two in particular, one is the arching of the back - I thought

> alot

> > > of babies arched their back when they are fussy or hungry?

Also -

>

> > > and more importantly, the airplaning references or in a recent

> > > post " sky diver " posturing. Jake does this frequently, when

> > trying

> > > to roll over from tummy to back and also when I hold him up in

> the

> > > air, I call it his Superman pose and do the whole Superman

> > > theme " Suuuupermannnnn, da duh da da duh daaaaaa " and make a

> game

> > > out of it, he smiles so big - loves it. Anyway, neither the

ped

> > at

> > > any visits nor the plastic surgeon we saw this week have

> mentioned

> > > anything of him having tort. He has full range of motion in

his

> > > neck, though does tend to favor his flat side, I figured that

> was

> > > just because he was flat there. He can turn both ways just

fine

> > and

> > > even when he won't turn to his rounder side, sometimes I make

> him

> > > (gently of course) to make sure he keeps that range of motion

> and

> > he

> > > does turn that way without fuss or struggle it seems, all the

> way,

> > > chin in line with the shoulder. The posts have me worried now

> > > though that we all might be missing something important and

> after

> > > further reading that undiagnosed tort, even mild, can cause

> motor

> > > development delays down the road toward early school age.

Well,

> I

> > > just need some help understanding what those other posts are

> > talking

> > > about so I can decide if Jake needs further eval, possibly

seen

> by

> > a

> > > PT. Zach does not exhibit the same " airplaning " moves, well -

he

> > did

> > > for awhile while learning to roll but not as much and now not

> > > anymore, but he does arch his back too. They both are about

> right

> > in

> > > line for their physical development considering their adjusted

> age

> > > of just under 6 months. They are rolling both ways and doing

the

> > > tripod thing in preparation for sitting up on their own (not

yet

> > > though, except maybe a few lucky well balanced seconds here

and

> > > there). My husband and I both have been determined to let them

> > > develop at their own pace without worrying too much

> > > about " milestones " but I don't want to miss something

important

> in

> > > the process, please help!! They are being casted a week from

> today

> > > and were both diagnosed with severe plagio by the surgeon

> earlier

> > > this week. Thanks for any help you can offer.

> > >

> > >

> > > & Zachary 12/31/05

> > >

> >

>