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Okay, fair. With the prevelence of autism being about 1/1,000 (http://www.childdevelopmentinfo.com/disorders/autism_fact_sheet.shtml) and then include the few others who are aware of any heath benefits associated with gf (although most of those are on a more "mainstream" diet, such as low carb), you have effectively raised the number of potential gf diners in an establishment to maybe 1.2/100. Face it, we are living in this world, but the rest of the world is happily consuming their gluten and blissfully unaware that it could be causing them, or the person seated next to them problems. I'm not suggesting accomodations shouldn't be made by restaurants. I would think that the saying "the customer is always rights", should stand and that managers should try to help us eat safely. I am saying that they

are under no obligation to do so and have every right to say "gee, I would hate for you to get sick so I'd better tell you to just stick to the salad".InHISdesign@... wrote: OK, I wasn't going to join this thread, and perhaps I missed this point, but I don't think it has been mentioned. , 98/100 likely *don't* "eat the regular food." It isn't JUST Celiacs that need to eat GF. Those that have celiac, allergies (to glutens), gluten intolerance, autism and other health issues that are benefited with a GF diet, create a decent portion of the diners in a restaurant, far greater than 98/100! THAT is what makes us a *large* population!! If one combined ALL of the population eating GF, it would be far more people than 1 in 100. Not only that, but if people were confident they *could* eat GF safely, there would be A LOT more people eating at home less often! And as others have mentioned. There are MANY diners out there that have other food allergies and issues (such as diabetes and lactose intolerance.) MNSHO, Re: accomodation in

restaurants/ was Celiac vs IBS article in Self Posted by: "wendy pandolfo" pandolfo (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com pandolfo.rm Date: Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:49 am (PDT)But it is a small number today because that figure is the estimated rate of celiac in the us...not the diagnosed rate. We still have lots and lots of people to diagnose. I'm thinking that things will get so much better once they are. But for now we are still small. And even 1/100 may not be enough for some restuarants to change their operating procedures. that means that 99/100 can eat the regular food. Rhiannon <renin77 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: While I can understand where you are coming from, I think you are incorrect in saying that we are a very small part of the population. The numbers are increasing all of the time. I just read an article last week that said they are now estimating that it's 1 in

100 that gluten intolerance issues. So, to me that's no small number.

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Okay, fair. With the prevelence of autism being about 1/1,000 (http://www.childdevelopmentinfo.com/disorders/autism_fact_sheet.shtml) and then include the few others who are aware of any heath benefits associated with gf (although most of those are on a more "mainstream" diet, such as low carb), you have effectively raised the number of potential gf diners in an establishment to maybe 1.2/100. Face it, we are living in this world, but the rest of the world is happily consuming their gluten and blissfully unaware that it could be causing them, or the person seated next to them problems. I'm not suggesting accomodations shouldn't be made by restaurants. I would think that the saying "the customer is always rights", should stand and that managers should try to help us eat safely. I am saying that they

are under no obligation to do so and have every right to say "gee, I would hate for you to get sick so I'd better tell you to just stick to the salad".InHISdesign@... wrote: OK, I wasn't going to join this thread, and perhaps I missed this point, but I don't think it has been mentioned. , 98/100 likely *don't* "eat the regular food." It isn't JUST Celiacs that need to eat GF. Those that have celiac, allergies (to glutens), gluten intolerance, autism and other health issues that are benefited with a GF diet, create a decent portion of the diners in a restaurant, far greater than 98/100! THAT is what makes us a *large* population!! If one combined ALL of the population eating GF, it would be far more people than 1 in 100. Not only that, but if people were confident they *could* eat GF safely, there would be A LOT more people eating at home less often! And as others have mentioned. There are MANY diners out there that have other food allergies and issues (such as diabetes and lactose intolerance.) MNSHO, Re: accomodation in

restaurants/ was Celiac vs IBS article in Self Posted by: "wendy pandolfo" pandolfo (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com pandolfo.rm Date: Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:49 am (PDT)But it is a small number today because that figure is the estimated rate of celiac in the us...not the diagnosed rate. We still have lots and lots of people to diagnose. I'm thinking that things will get so much better once they are. But for now we are still small. And even 1/100 may not be enough for some restuarants to change their operating procedures. that means that 99/100 can eat the regular food. Rhiannon <renin77 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: While I can understand where you are coming from, I think you are incorrect in saying that we are a very small part of the population. The numbers are increasing all of the time. I just read an article last week that said they are now estimating that it's 1 in

100 that gluten intolerance issues. So, to me that's no small number.

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Okay, fair. With the prevelence of autism being about 1/1,000 (http://www.childdevelopmentinfo.com/disorders/autism_fact_sheet.shtml) and then include the few others who are aware of any heath benefits associated with gf (although most of those are on a more "mainstream" diet, such as low carb), you have effectively raised the number of potential gf diners in an establishment to maybe 1.2/100. Face it, we are living in this world, but the rest of the world is happily consuming their gluten and blissfully unaware that it could be causing them, or the person seated next to them problems. I'm not suggesting accomodations shouldn't be made by restaurants. I would think that the saying "the customer is always rights", should stand and that managers should try to help us eat safely. I am saying that they

are under no obligation to do so and have every right to say "gee, I would hate for you to get sick so I'd better tell you to just stick to the salad".InHISdesign@... wrote: OK, I wasn't going to join this thread, and perhaps I missed this point, but I don't think it has been mentioned. , 98/100 likely *don't* "eat the regular food." It isn't JUST Celiacs that need to eat GF. Those that have celiac, allergies (to glutens), gluten intolerance, autism and other health issues that are benefited with a GF diet, create a decent portion of the diners in a restaurant, far greater than 98/100! THAT is what makes us a *large* population!! If one combined ALL of the population eating GF, it would be far more people than 1 in 100. Not only that, but if people were confident they *could* eat GF safely, there would be A LOT more people eating at home less often! And as others have mentioned. There are MANY diners out there that have other food allergies and issues (such as diabetes and lactose intolerance.) MNSHO, Re: accomodation in

restaurants/ was Celiac vs IBS article in Self Posted by: "wendy pandolfo" pandolfo (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com pandolfo.rm Date: Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:49 am (PDT)But it is a small number today because that figure is the estimated rate of celiac in the us...not the diagnosed rate. We still have lots and lots of people to diagnose. I'm thinking that things will get so much better once they are. But for now we are still small. And even 1/100 may not be enough for some restuarants to change their operating procedures. that means that 99/100 can eat the regular food. Rhiannon <renin77 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: While I can understand where you are coming from, I think you are incorrect in saying that we are a very small part of the population. The numbers are increasing all of the time. I just read an article last week that said they are now estimating that it's 1 in

100 that gluten intolerance issues. So, to me that's no small number.

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the prevalence of autism according to the commercials being shown now on TV is 1/166 !!!!

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Re: Re: accomodation in restaurants/ Celiac, GI, Allergy, ~!! Autism....

Okay, fair. With the prevelence of autism being about 1/1,000 (http://www.childdevelopmentinfo.com/disorders/autism_fact_sheet.shtml) and then include the few others who are aware of any heath benefits associated with gf (although most of those are on a more "mainstream" diet, such as low carb), you have effectively raised the number of potential gf diners in an establishment to maybe 1.2/100.

Face it, we are living in this world, but the rest of the world is happily consuming their gluten and blissfully unaware that it could be causing them, or the person seated next to them problems.

I'm not suggesting accomodations shouldn't be made by restaurants. I would think that the saying "the customer is always rights", should stand and that managers should try to help us eat safely. I am saying that they are under no obligation to do so and have every right to say "gee, I would hate for you to get sick so I'd better tell you to just stick to the salad".InHISdesign (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

OK, I wasn't going to join this thread, and perhaps I missed this point, but I don't think it has been mentioned. , 98/100 likely *don't* "eat the regular food."

It isn't JUST Celiacs that need to eat GF.

Those that have celiac, allergies (to glutens), gluten intolerance, autism and other health issues that are benefited with a GF diet, create a decent portion of the diners in a restaurant, far greater than 98/100!

THAT is what makes us a *large* population!! If one combined ALL of the population eating GF, it would be far more people than 1 in 100. Not only that, but if people were confident they *could* eat GF safely, there would be A LOT more people eating at home less often!

And as others have mentioned. There are MANY diners out there that have other food allergies and issues (such as diabetes and lactose intolerance.)

MNSHO,

Re: accomodation in restaurants/ was Celiac vs IBS article in Self Posted by: "wendy pandolfo" pandolfo (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com pandolfo.rm Date: Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:49 am (PDT)But it is a small number today because that figure is the estimated rate of celiac in the us...not the diagnosed rate. We still have lots and lots of people to diagnose. I'm thinking that things will get so much better once they are. But for now we are still small. And even 1/100 may not be enough for some restuarants to change their operating procedures. that means that 99/100 can eat the regular food. Rhiannon <renin77 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: While I can understand where you are coming from, I think you are incorrect in saying that we are a very small part of the population. The numbers are increasing all of the time. I just read an article last week that said they are now estimating that it's 1 in 100 that gluten intolerance issues. So, to me that's no small number.

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the prevalence of autism according to the commercials being shown now on TV is 1/166 !!!!

fran

Re: Re: accomodation in restaurants/ Celiac, GI, Allergy, ~!! Autism....

Okay, fair. With the prevelence of autism being about 1/1,000 (http://www.childdevelopmentinfo.com/disorders/autism_fact_sheet.shtml) and then include the few others who are aware of any heath benefits associated with gf (although most of those are on a more "mainstream" diet, such as low carb), you have effectively raised the number of potential gf diners in an establishment to maybe 1.2/100.

Face it, we are living in this world, but the rest of the world is happily consuming their gluten and blissfully unaware that it could be causing them, or the person seated next to them problems.

I'm not suggesting accomodations shouldn't be made by restaurants. I would think that the saying "the customer is always rights", should stand and that managers should try to help us eat safely. I am saying that they are under no obligation to do so and have every right to say "gee, I would hate for you to get sick so I'd better tell you to just stick to the salad".InHISdesign (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

OK, I wasn't going to join this thread, and perhaps I missed this point, but I don't think it has been mentioned. , 98/100 likely *don't* "eat the regular food."

It isn't JUST Celiacs that need to eat GF.

Those that have celiac, allergies (to glutens), gluten intolerance, autism and other health issues that are benefited with a GF diet, create a decent portion of the diners in a restaurant, far greater than 98/100!

THAT is what makes us a *large* population!! If one combined ALL of the population eating GF, it would be far more people than 1 in 100. Not only that, but if people were confident they *could* eat GF safely, there would be A LOT more people eating at home less often!

And as others have mentioned. There are MANY diners out there that have other food allergies and issues (such as diabetes and lactose intolerance.)

MNSHO,

Re: accomodation in restaurants/ was Celiac vs IBS article in Self Posted by: "wendy pandolfo" pandolfo (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com pandolfo.rm Date: Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:49 am (PDT)But it is a small number today because that figure is the estimated rate of celiac in the us...not the diagnosed rate. We still have lots and lots of people to diagnose. I'm thinking that things will get so much better once they are. But for now we are still small. And even 1/100 may not be enough for some restuarants to change their operating procedures. that means that 99/100 can eat the regular food. Rhiannon <renin77 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: While I can understand where you are coming from, I think you are incorrect in saying that we are a very small part of the population. The numbers are increasing all of the time. I just read an article last week that said they are now estimating that it's 1 in 100 that gluten intolerance issues. So, to me that's no small number.

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the prevalence of autism according to the commercials being shown now on TV is 1/166 !!!!

fran

Re: Re: accomodation in restaurants/ Celiac, GI, Allergy, ~!! Autism....

Okay, fair. With the prevelence of autism being about 1/1,000 (http://www.childdevelopmentinfo.com/disorders/autism_fact_sheet.shtml) and then include the few others who are aware of any heath benefits associated with gf (although most of those are on a more "mainstream" diet, such as low carb), you have effectively raised the number of potential gf diners in an establishment to maybe 1.2/100.

Face it, we are living in this world, but the rest of the world is happily consuming their gluten and blissfully unaware that it could be causing them, or the person seated next to them problems.

I'm not suggesting accomodations shouldn't be made by restaurants. I would think that the saying "the customer is always rights", should stand and that managers should try to help us eat safely. I am saying that they are under no obligation to do so and have every right to say "gee, I would hate for you to get sick so I'd better tell you to just stick to the salad".InHISdesign (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

OK, I wasn't going to join this thread, and perhaps I missed this point, but I don't think it has been mentioned. , 98/100 likely *don't* "eat the regular food."

It isn't JUST Celiacs that need to eat GF.

Those that have celiac, allergies (to glutens), gluten intolerance, autism and other health issues that are benefited with a GF diet, create a decent portion of the diners in a restaurant, far greater than 98/100!

THAT is what makes us a *large* population!! If one combined ALL of the population eating GF, it would be far more people than 1 in 100. Not only that, but if people were confident they *could* eat GF safely, there would be A LOT more people eating at home less often!

And as others have mentioned. There are MANY diners out there that have other food allergies and issues (such as diabetes and lactose intolerance.)

MNSHO,

Re: accomodation in restaurants/ was Celiac vs IBS article in Self Posted by: "wendy pandolfo" pandolfo (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com pandolfo.rm Date: Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:49 am (PDT)But it is a small number today because that figure is the estimated rate of celiac in the us...not the diagnosed rate. We still have lots and lots of people to diagnose. I'm thinking that things will get so much better once they are. But for now we are still small. And even 1/100 may not be enough for some restuarants to change their operating procedures. that means that 99/100 can eat the regular food. Rhiannon <renin77 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: While I can understand where you are coming from, I think you are incorrect in saying that we are a very small part of the population. The numbers are increasing all of the time. I just read an article last week that said they are now estimating that it's 1 in 100 that gluten intolerance issues. So, to me that's no small number.

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Wow!!! So now my dinning scenio is 2.5/100!!fran knits wrote: the prevalence of autism according to the commercials being shown now on TV is 1/166 !!!! fran Re: Re: accomodation in restaurants/ Celiac, GI, Allergy, ~!! Autism.... Okay, fair. With the prevelence of autism being about 1/1,000 (http://www.childdevelopmentinfo.com/disorders/autism_fact_sheet.shtml) and then include the few others who are aware of any heath benefits associated with gf (although most of those are on a

more "mainstream" diet, such as low carb), you have effectively raised the number of potential gf diners in an establishment to maybe 1.2/100. Face it, we are living in this world, but the rest of the world is happily consuming their gluten and blissfully unaware that it could be causing them, or the person seated next to them problems. I'm not suggesting accomodations shouldn't be made by restaurants. I would think that the saying "the customer is always rights", should stand and that managers should try to help us eat safely. I am saying that they are under no obligation to do so and have every right to say "gee, I would hate for you to get sick so I'd better tell you to just stick to the salad".InHISdesign (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: OK, I wasn't going to join this thread, and perhaps I missed this point, but I don't think it has been mentioned. , 98/100 likely *don't* "eat the regular food." It isn't JUST Celiacs that need to eat GF. Those that have celiac, allergies (to glutens), gluten intolerance, autism and other health issues that are benefited with a GF diet, create a decent portion of the diners in a restaurant, far greater than 98/100! THAT is what makes us a *large* population!! If one combined ALL of the population eating GF, it would be far more people than 1 in 100. Not only that, but if people were confident they *could* eat GF safely, there would be A LOT more people eating at home less often! And as others have mentioned. There are MANY diners out there that have other food allergies

and issues (such as diabetes and lactose intolerance.) MNSHO, Re: accomodation in restaurants/ was Celiac vs IBS article in Self Posted by: "wendy pandolfo" pandolfo (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com pandolfo.rm Date: Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:49 am (PDT)But it is a small number today because that figure is the estimated rate of celiac in the us...not the diagnosed rate. We still have lots and lots of people to diagnose. I'm thinking that things will get so much better once they are. But for now we are still small. And even 1/100 may not be enough for some restuarants to change their operating procedures. that means that 99/100 can eat the regular food. Rhiannon

<renin77 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: While I can understand where you are coming from, I think you are incorrect in saying that we are a very small part of the population. The numbers are increasing all of the time. I just read an article last week that said they are now estimating that it's 1 in 100 that gluten intolerance issues. So, to me that's no small number. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. __________________________________________________

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Wow!!! So now my dinning scenio is 2.5/100!!fran knits wrote: the prevalence of autism according to the commercials being shown now on TV is 1/166 !!!! fran Re: Re: accomodation in restaurants/ Celiac, GI, Allergy, ~!! Autism.... Okay, fair. With the prevelence of autism being about 1/1,000 (http://www.childdevelopmentinfo.com/disorders/autism_fact_sheet.shtml) and then include the few others who are aware of any heath benefits associated with gf (although most of those are on a

more "mainstream" diet, such as low carb), you have effectively raised the number of potential gf diners in an establishment to maybe 1.2/100. Face it, we are living in this world, but the rest of the world is happily consuming their gluten and blissfully unaware that it could be causing them, or the person seated next to them problems. I'm not suggesting accomodations shouldn't be made by restaurants. I would think that the saying "the customer is always rights", should stand and that managers should try to help us eat safely. I am saying that they are under no obligation to do so and have every right to say "gee, I would hate for you to get sick so I'd better tell you to just stick to the salad".InHISdesign (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: OK, I wasn't going to join this thread, and perhaps I missed this point, but I don't think it has been mentioned. , 98/100 likely *don't* "eat the regular food." It isn't JUST Celiacs that need to eat GF. Those that have celiac, allergies (to glutens), gluten intolerance, autism and other health issues that are benefited with a GF diet, create a decent portion of the diners in a restaurant, far greater than 98/100! THAT is what makes us a *large* population!! If one combined ALL of the population eating GF, it would be far more people than 1 in 100. Not only that, but if people were confident they *could* eat GF safely, there would be A LOT more people eating at home less often! And as others have mentioned. There are MANY diners out there that have other food allergies

and issues (such as diabetes and lactose intolerance.) MNSHO, Re: accomodation in restaurants/ was Celiac vs IBS article in Self Posted by: "wendy pandolfo" pandolfo (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com pandolfo.rm Date: Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:49 am (PDT)But it is a small number today because that figure is the estimated rate of celiac in the us...not the diagnosed rate. We still have lots and lots of people to diagnose. I'm thinking that things will get so much better once they are. But for now we are still small. And even 1/100 may not be enough for some restuarants to change their operating procedures. that means that 99/100 can eat the regular food. Rhiannon

<renin77 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: While I can understand where you are coming from, I think you are incorrect in saying that we are a very small part of the population. The numbers are increasing all of the time. I just read an article last week that said they are now estimating that it's 1 in 100 that gluten intolerance issues. So, to me that's no small number. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. __________________________________________________

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Maureen, thanks for looking that statistic up.marcianar wrote: We are many, many years away from celiac being seen as 1% of the population. The latest number I could find of *currently diagnosed* celiacs in the U.S. is less than 60,000 people (out of a total population close to 300 million) - THAT'S why we are not currently "worth it" to many restaurants. The estimated incidence rate is close 1%, but if 98% of the people who have celiac don't

know it, then they are not out there asking for gluten-free meals and they are irrelevant in the marketing strateegy of the restaurant industry.I think the number of restaurants willing to cater to autistic guests will unfortunately be low, due to the common perception that "autism" = an out of control child. That would be a demographic the restaurants would want to avoid rather than welcome. (note: I did NOT say I agree with this philosophy)Maureen While I can understand where > you are coming from, I think you are incorrect in saying that we are a very > small part of the population. The numbers are increasing all of the time. I > just read an article last week that said they are now estimating that it's 1 > in 100 that gluten intolerance issues. So, to me that's no small number.> __________________________________________________

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Thanks for your research, Maureen. I thought that 1/166 number sounded high for autism, but I didn't want to take the time to research. I personally know nobody with autism, nor do I know anyone with celiac outside the support group. So right there that tells me there isn't much demand for gf food at a restaurant. Thanks for backing me one this!!marcianar wrote: We need a reality check on the numbers here.*In theory* maybe 1% of Americans

(300 million) are celiac, but currently <2% have been diagnosed - about 60,000 people. That's what, .02%, who are currently interested in gluten-free meals.As for an autism prevelance of 1 out of 166 of the general population - that number doesn't stand up to any scrutiny at all! The fact that the number was used in a TV commercial does not make it true. Research from a number of sources (yes, I took the time to look this up) indicates that the number of cases of autism is very inconsistant within the population, and across age groups - and not all of that can be attributed to diagnosis errors. But the end result is that no group can accurately state the true prevelance of autism in the U.S. now. There is also NO PROOF that a gluten-free diet benefits all people with autism. Anecdotal evidence suggests that it might benefit some, but as the causes of autism are not yet understood, and there may be a variety of

things resulting in the same package of symptoms, to assume that a gluten-free diet would be good for all of them is not valid.[again just anecotally: we know an autistic girl (fairly severely effected) and several days after her parents put her on a GF/CF diet she began having seizures, something totally new for her. they kept her on the diet one month - she kept seizing - they stopped the diet and she has not had a seizure since. her parents and doctor believe the diet caused the seizures. does that prove the diet is bad for autistic kids? no. nor does the improvement of some kids prove the diet is good for ALL autistic kids]Maybe some day all people will be screened for celiac, but that day is years away. Until diagnosis rates greatly improve, celiacs (and others wishing to eat gluten-free) represent a very small number of restaurant customers. I had a rude reminder of that last week at Starbucks (don't

usually go there - but it was the only thing open that evening) - I asked the manager if they had any food/snacks at all that were gluten-free. Then I had to explain what "gluten-free" means. He told me that there is no demand for gluten-free, and in 4 years as the manager there, I was the first person ever to ask for it.Maureen While I can understand where you are coming from, I think you are incorrect in saying that we are a very small part of the population. The numbers are increasing all of the time. I just read an article last week that said they are now estimating that it's 1 in 100 that gluten intolerance issues. So, to me that's no small number. __________________________________________________