Please help - Need lay person articles against verbal tests

[Guest guest]

I've been asked by my son's school guidance counselor to please try

to find some " Lay person articles " pertaining to the need to test

apraxic children receptively and not verbally. I've brought them

parent based articles but she is asking for articles more

specifically written by professions for professionals.

As I've written before I think that we are stuck with a school

system that believes that since he CAN speak he should be able to

answer their questions. I need to show them without any doubt that

a communication impaired disability warrants receptive testing.

If anyone knows of any written data that would fill this need or

where I could obtain something in writing from a lay person please

contact me.

Thank you,

McCann

smccann@...

[Guest guest]

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Are you talking about day to day tests or IQ tests?

>

> I've been asked by my son's school guidance counselor to please

try

> to find some " Lay person articles " pertaining to the need to test

> apraxic children receptively and not verbally. I've brought them

> parent based articles but she is asking for articles more

> specifically written by professions for professionals.

>

> As I've written before I think that we are stuck with a school

> system that believes that since he CAN speak he should be able to

> answer their questions. I need to show them without any doubt

that

> a communication impaired disability warrants receptive testing.

>

> If anyone knows of any written data that would fill this need or

> where I could obtain something in writing from a lay person please

> contact me.

>

> Thank you,

> McCann

> smccann@...

>

[Guest guest]

you may have luck with your local children's hospital speech/lang. dept. for

articles on this.

k

srmccann2003 <smccann@...> wrote:

I've been asked by my son's school guidance counselor to please try

to find some " Lay person articles " pertaining to the need to test

apraxic children receptively and not verbally. I've brought them

parent based articles but she is asking for articles more

specifically written by professions for professionals.

As I've written before I think that we are stuck with a school

system that believes that since he CAN speak he should be able to

answer their questions. I need to show them without any doubt that

a communication impaired disability warrants receptive testing.

If anyone knows of any written data that would fill this need or

where I could obtain something in writing from a lay person please

contact me.

Thank you,

McCann

smccann@...

[Guest guest]

hi,

http://www.dyspraxiafoundation.org.uk/professionals/rs_ajr.php is whatis in my

favaourits, the web site must be www.dyspraxiafoundation.org

This website would probably help. It has bits for professionals that you can

access. I found quite a few articles. It's a UK site and apraxia is called

dyspraxia in the UK so don't be put off. This link actually takes you to a bit

about omega oils, though its not that illuminating.

Re: [ ] Please help - Need " lay person " articles

against verbal tests

you may have luck with your local children's hospital speech/lang. dept. for

articles on this.

k

srmccann2003 <smccann@...> wrote:

I've been asked by my son's school guidance counselor to please try

to find some " Lay person articles " pertaining to the need to test

apraxic children receptively and not verbally. I've brought them

parent based articles but she is asking for articles more

specifically written by professions for professionals.

As I've written before I think that we are stuck with a school

system that believes that since he CAN speak he should be able to

answer their questions. I need to show them without any doubt that

a communication impaired disability warrants receptive testing.

If anyone knows of any written data that would fill this need or

where I could obtain something in writing from a lay person please

contact me.

Thank you,

McCann

smccann@...

[Guest guest]

Thank you to those who wrote to me personally and posted here with

links to helpful sites. I'm in the process of trying to narrow it

down now. It's great to know that there is a lot of information out

there, I just need to find what will be helpful in our specific case.

Marina,

So far they have not done any IQ testing that I KNOW OF. It's more

the day to day testing that is starting to cause problems. Like

choosing to put him in certain groups in the classroom because of

how he tested on a pre-literacy test. That test included parts that

he got zero's on such as, " Repeat after me: animal, animal, animal,

animal " , and five to seven word sentences that had to be repeated

back word for word. The teacher said he attempted to say them but

if one word was out of order or left out they would get a zero. I'm

really trying to keep sarcasm out of this, but I'm struggling to see

how repeating words and repeating sentences for an apraxic child is

a good test of their being ready for literacy! Then there was the

testing to see if he visually knows his ABC's and numbers. " What's

this? " questions instead of asking him to point to the /L/, that

kind of thing.

I know that I have to have it written into his IEP in more concise

language and the guidance counselor is correct, the school will

listen to me more if I have professional articles to back up why he

should not be tested verbally. I need a professional to explain to

them that even though he can say /L/, he still can not always recall

it when he needs to. For example, he wanted to leave the message on

our answering machine We practiced and practiced saying: " You

have reached the McCanns.(Deep breath!) Please leave us a message

after the beep " . A lot I know, but it's what he wanted and after

practicing he had it down and was smiling away. I pushed the button

and this is what he got out: " This is the McCann's, peas lea us a

mesige, thank you " . I think it's wonderful and told him so but it

is an example that even though he can say all of the original

message, under pressure it was gone.

Sorry to ramble. This school experience is stressing me. Thank you

again for the leads!

[Guest guest]

Thank you to those who wrote to me personally and posted here with

links to helpful sites. I'm in the process of trying to narrow it

down now. It's great to know that there is a lot of information out

there, I just need to find what will be helpful in our specific case.

Marina,

So far they have not done any IQ testing that I KNOW OF. It's more

the day to day testing that is starting to cause problems. Like

choosing to put him in certain groups in the classroom because of

how he tested on a pre-literacy test. That test included parts that

he got zero's on such as, " Repeat after me: animal, animal, animal,

animal " , and five to seven word sentences that had to be repeated

back word for word. The teacher said he attempted to say them but

if one word was out of order or left out they would get a zero. I'm

really trying to keep sarcasm out of this, but I'm struggling to see

how repeating words and repeating sentences for an apraxic child is

a good test of their being ready for literacy! Then there was the

testing to see if he visually knows his ABC's and numbers. " What's

this? " questions instead of asking him to point to the /L/, that

kind of thing.

I know that I have to have it written into his IEP in more concise

language and the guidance counselor is correct, the school will

listen to me more if I have professional articles to back up why he

should not be tested verbally. I need a professional to explain to

them that even though he can say /L/, he still can not always recall

it when he needs to. For example, he wanted to leave the message on

our answering machine We practiced and practiced saying: " You

have reached the McCanns.(Deep breath!) Please leave us a message

after the beep " . A lot I know, but it's what he wanted and after

practicing he had it down and was smiling away. I pushed the button

and this is what he got out: " This is the McCann's, peas lea us a

mesige, thank you " . I think it's wonderful and told him so but it

is an example that even though he can say all of the original

message, under pressure it was gone.

Sorry to ramble. This school experience is stressing me. Thank you

again for the leads!

[Guest guest]

Hi - Do you have a private SLP? If so, bring your questions to them

as what they are doing is TOTALLY IMPROPER. A great way to " clue

them in " is to ask them if they would grade a parapalegic on their

scissor skills or doing timed racing with them. They TOTALLY KNOW

what they're doing - and if they don't, shame on them. I would let

them know that you think it's completely improper and give them the

opportunity to correct it before you get really ugly - all they need

is a full, medical description of apraxia and a letter from your doc

with a diagnosis and they should have to accomodate.

Letters be darned. It puts the onus on you to educate them - and

it's not yours to do.

You need to point out that they have effectively tested his speech

skills (sounds like the pretty basic evals my son's had) and rather

than FAILING him, they need to recognize that it's an area of

weakness and investigate further - not label him as dumb.

>

> Thank you to those who wrote to me personally and posted here with

> links to helpful sites. I'm in the process of trying to narrow it

> down now. It's great to know that there is a lot of information out

> there, I just need to find what will be helpful in our specific

case.

>

> Marina,

> So far they have not done any IQ testing that I KNOW OF. It's more

> the day to day testing that is starting to cause problems. Like

> choosing to put him in certain groups in the classroom because of

> how he tested on a pre-literacy test. That test included parts that

> he got zero's on such as, " Repeat after me: animal, animal, animal,

> animal " , and five to seven word sentences that had to be repeated

> back word for word. The teacher said he attempted to say them but

> if one word was out of order or left out they would get a zero. I'm

> really trying to keep sarcasm out of this, but I'm struggling to see

> how repeating words and repeating sentences for an apraxic child is

> a good test of their being ready for literacy! Then there was the

> testing to see if he visually knows his ABC's and numbers. " What's

> this? " questions instead of asking him to point to the /L/, that

> kind of thing.

>

> I know that I have to have it written into his IEP in more concise

> language and the guidance counselor is correct, the school will

> listen to me more if I have professional articles to back up why he

> should not be tested verbally. I need a professional to explain to

> them that even though he can say /L/, he still can not always recall

> it when he needs to. For example, he wanted to leave the message on

> our answering machine We practiced and practiced saying: " You

> have reached the McCanns.(Deep breath!) Please leave us a message

> after the beep " . A lot I know, but it's what he wanted and after

> practicing he had it down and was smiling away. I pushed the button

> and this is what he got out: " This is the McCann's, peas lea us a

> mesige, thank you " . I think it's wonderful and told him so but it

> is an example that even though he can say all of the original

> message, under pressure it was gone.

>

> Sorry to ramble. This school experience is stressing me. Thank you

> again for the leads!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi - Do you have a private SLP? If so, bring your questions to them

as what they are doing is TOTALLY IMPROPER. A great way to " clue

them in " is to ask them if they would grade a parapalegic on their

scissor skills or doing timed racing with them. They TOTALLY KNOW

what they're doing - and if they don't, shame on them. I would let

them know that you think it's completely improper and give them the

opportunity to correct it before you get really ugly - all they need

is a full, medical description of apraxia and a letter from your doc

with a diagnosis and they should have to accomodate.

Letters be darned. It puts the onus on you to educate them - and

it's not yours to do.

You need to point out that they have effectively tested his speech

skills (sounds like the pretty basic evals my son's had) and rather

than FAILING him, they need to recognize that it's an area of

weakness and investigate further - not label him as dumb.

>

> Thank you to those who wrote to me personally and posted here with

> links to helpful sites. I'm in the process of trying to narrow it

> down now. It's great to know that there is a lot of information out

> there, I just need to find what will be helpful in our specific

case.

>

> Marina,

> So far they have not done any IQ testing that I KNOW OF. It's more

> the day to day testing that is starting to cause problems. Like

> choosing to put him in certain groups in the classroom because of

> how he tested on a pre-literacy test. That test included parts that

> he got zero's on such as, " Repeat after me: animal, animal, animal,

> animal " , and five to seven word sentences that had to be repeated

> back word for word. The teacher said he attempted to say them but

> if one word was out of order or left out they would get a zero. I'm

> really trying to keep sarcasm out of this, but I'm struggling to see

> how repeating words and repeating sentences for an apraxic child is

> a good test of their being ready for literacy! Then there was the

> testing to see if he visually knows his ABC's and numbers. " What's

> this? " questions instead of asking him to point to the /L/, that

> kind of thing.

>

> I know that I have to have it written into his IEP in more concise

> language and the guidance counselor is correct, the school will

> listen to me more if I have professional articles to back up why he

> should not be tested verbally. I need a professional to explain to

> them that even though he can say /L/, he still can not always recall

> it when he needs to. For example, he wanted to leave the message on

> our answering machine We practiced and practiced saying: " You

> have reached the McCanns.(Deep breath!) Please leave us a message

> after the beep " . A lot I know, but it's what he wanted and after

> practicing he had it down and was smiling away. I pushed the button

> and this is what he got out: " This is the McCann's, peas lea us a

> mesige, thank you " . I think it's wonderful and told him so but it

> is an example that even though he can say all of the original

> message, under pressure it was gone.

>

> Sorry to ramble. This school experience is stressing me. Thank you

> again for the leads!

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am an advocate in my state. Your are a tax payer. Call your state university

system (one of the larger universities) and ask to speak to the Director of

Special Education Services (or whatever the title may be for the person there

who is in charge of the teaching program for special education majors). This

person should know what testing procedures are appropriate for various issues -

or they will know to whom you should be referred in the university system.

I have utililized this resource many times with great effect.

The school can not disregard the expert recommendation of a person who is an

accepted authority in the state and collegiate educational system.

kcventi <kcventi@...> wrote:

you may have luck with your local children's hospital speech/lang.

dept. for articles on this.

k

srmccann2003 <smccann@...> wrote:

I've been asked by my son's school guidance counselor to please try

to find some " Lay person articles " pertaining to the need to test

apraxic children receptively and not verbally. I've brought them

parent based articles but she is asking for articles more

specifically written by professions for professionals.

As I've written before I think that we are stuck with a school

system that believes that since he CAN speak he should be able to

answer their questions. I need to show them without any doubt that

a communication impaired disability warrants receptive testing.

If anyone knows of any written data that would fill this need or

where I could obtain something in writing from a lay person please

contact me.

Thank you,

McCann

smccann@...