Re: ESY

[Guest guest]

I live in Florida and I was told the same with my child - who will be 5 next

month. I had to show that he would regress and in what areas and if it was

speech or occupational then those would be the only services he would receive

in ESY. Because the amount of time and effort it was going to take, I

didn't pursue it. The ESY would have been for OT or ST which would have been

so

little that it would have been expensive and disruptive in to get him to and

from school. Therefore, I found an alternative for the summer. good luck,

Phyllis

[Guest guest]

Hi

Please do not except that answer..keep fighting until they give your child

the extended services...my daughter is almost 6 and has a dx of Apraxia.

She has been in spec. ed preschool since 3 with ESY, no questions asked.

How are your child's play skills, social skills etc..These are all areas to

look out and consider regressing in the summer without..My child is now in

Kindergarten and will receive ESY also this summer...Do not give up....

Good luck

in CT

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> We have been told that a child 3.8yrs. old in special ed. preschool

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> without year round services, but if he does, then he would be eligible

> for ESY in 2007. We live in Ohio. Any help would be appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

Are you refering to Extended School Year Program? If so check your IEP

to see if it is under regression recoupment or critical point. YOu can

try to qualify under special ed or speech. For regression recoupment

they have to have documentation/tallies after a child has returned from

a break (christmas break etc). proving that the child did not regress

after the break. If you are in the IEP meeting ask for the tallies

from speech therapist and/or the special ed teacher......If they can't

prove it then you can argue for regression recoupment to qualify your

child for ESYP. I plan on doing it at my child's IEP....every year he

doesn't qualify but I never push it it because we do private therapy

but this year since my child is being left behind in the public schools

system and will have to go to private school, I am going to try to get

it. Also, if you have a good relationship with their teacher or

therapist, they may try to qualify them. I hope this helps.

Mia

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> We have been told that a child 3.8yrs. old in special ed. preschool

> with a Dx. of Apraxia who is presently recieving OT and Speech is not

> eligible for ESY because it has not been proven that he will regress

> without year round services, but if he does, then he would be

eligible

> for ESY in 2007. We live in Ohio. Any help would be appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

I am gettin the same line here. I have a 4.4yr old. Dx w/apraxia

about6mths ago.Was originaly dx/speach delay. He attends ST twice a

week for 1 hour each. In a group..The ST teacher is wonderful and

seems to know what to do with Devins apraxia.

I was also told that he would not qualify for esy unless he was to

master a sound and then lose it over a 1-2wk time off(such as

christmas break) and then not regain that sound for another 8wks. Now

how can you compare christmas break to summer vaction? Basicly the

message is,let them fail before you get help. We also asked for more

ST and was denied. Because " no other children get more than 2hrs a

week " . Devin attends ST through our local school district. The school

district has been wonderfull for our older children as far as regular

or advanced classes. But now that we are on the other side of the

board it is a different story. We our now trying to find a outside ST

for 2nd opinion and more therapy. We live in the Houston area. Any

ideas for referrals?

I have found a website that sells wonderful games and other tools to

help the children. Devins class has alot of the games. And he seems to

really enjoy them. It is www.superduperinc.com. Some seem a little

pricey, but well worth the money if the kids have fun and learn.

Kim (mother of Devin 4yrs old with apraxia)

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> We have been told that a child 3.8yrs. old in special ed. preschool

> with a Dx. of Apraxia who is presently recieving OT and Speech is

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> eligible for ESY because it has not been proven that he will regress

> without year round services, but if he does, then he would be

eligible

> for ESY in 2007. We live in Ohio. Any help would be appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

Our district goes about ESY in a very different way. They provide

everyone ESY, but here's the catch - they only operate for 3 weeks

in June, 2 weeks in July, and 1 week in August. I guess it's a

compromise and I'm sure cheaper for them to implement than finding

special placements for anyone who needs it and arguing over who

should get it.

Oh well, we'll take what we can get! Just an FYI that there are

programs like this out there, in case any of you are on the school

board.

Kerri

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regress

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> > for ESY in 2007. We live in Ohio. Any help would be appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

the only ESY program offered near me in Florida was just like the one

your ped doc was afraid of -children with " severe " disabilities.

So what did I do? I didn't put Tanner in the ESY 'program' -but I

brought him in just for 1/1 ESY speech therapy 2X a week.

Just him and the SLP -no other kids around. It worked.

The most awesome ESY program Tanner was in was the one through

his out of district placement at the Summit Speech School in NJ.

Just like the school year -but over the summer.

Here's some archives on this topic:

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Mon Apr 21, 2003 5:41 pm

Subject: Re: - ESY Question kiddietalk

Hi Suzi!

Whatever is appropriate for your child during the school year could

be written into your child's extended school year program.

Up till this year -Tanner went to his same school, Summit Speech

School in New Providence, NJ for ESY services. His " extended school

year " (or

ESY -

or also called " summer program " ) -was the same Summit Speech

School program as the one he

was in during the school year. He was picked up and dropped off by

the bus (in his IEP) -and attended a 1/2 a day school program -which

is what he was in for preschool during the year. There was no

difference in amount of therapy -or anything. It lasted about 6

weeks -so there were a few weeks he had no school or therapy -and

that was fine with us.

Tanner recently only (?) receives speech therapy three times a

week. He used to only receive one on one -however recently he's

been in " paired " therapy -with one other child. Tanner is no longer

considered severe as he once was, he's now " mild/moderate " -in fact

there are

others in his 'mainstreamed' class who

do not speak as well as Tanner. Saying this -I can also add that

Tanner doesn't speak as well as most -he still struggles to say some

of the simplest things. However he can order for himself at a

restaurant -ask another child to play with him -tell me and his

daddy when his brother Dakota is " bothering " him, or about a

birthday party he was just invited to that he's excited about, or

talk to his cousins on the phone about a new ride at Disney -and

he's understood.

It's been a ton of therapy -and magic fish oil to get where we are

today. For those that doubt if their child is progressing -or what

traditional or alternative therapies are working (or not) -stop what

you are doing one at a time -you'll find out what is needed pretty

quick. You know your child better than anyone. To this day if I

stop the oils Tanner's speech worsens -and his therapists and

teachers will notice. He still needs lots of ST and OT -but not

everyday like he did at three -and like he still does with the

oils. But for all those that aren't sure if they work -stop them.

As far as ESY for Tanner this year -I only requested speech services

three times a week -same amount of ST Tanner receives during the

school

year. I'm not personally seeking OT this summer for him even though

he has been receiving it twice a week so far this year -we may drop

that to once a week next year for first grade -he's doing so well in

this area. Since it's the summer here in Florida -Tanner is going

to be getting a huge amount of OT and PT type activities -his motor

skills have improved tremendously already from all the " normal " kid

activities. Right now for example I have to leave to take Tanner

and Dakota to soccer practice.

As far as being on the other side -in spite of the fact his speech

skills are still far from perfect -his teacher this year wants to

put Tanner into the advanced first grade class since his reading and

math skills are higher than most in his class. (I keep telling

Tanner that even if he has trouble saying something -once he learns

to write or type -he can put it all in writing!) One day -just

like 's son Khalid -I'll have him write a note to all of you!

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[Guest guest]

Most school districts offer 6 weeks extended school year - 4 days a week - 1/2 days. However, extended school year is to provide the necessary services so your child does not regress and ESY is suppose to be address your child needs. If your child needs more than what they offer, then he is entitled to more under the law.

I had an experience a number of years ago when my local school district did not want to offer more than the above. I suggested that park district activities / programs be made part of the IEP for the afternoon and the school district's response was that it was not "educational" although my son's needs were in the areas of life skills which of course could be implemented in a park district program. (He had a 1:1 aide during school and I proposed also a 1:1 aide for the afternoon) I told that the district initially that I was not asking for a 10 day week program - all day, as I wanted to be reasonable and get something more than they offered. When the district was only willing to add 2-3 more hours per week, I told them that it was unacceptable. I threatened to sue them (I am a civil rights attorney) if on the first day of summer vacation, the bus did not come to pick up my son and provide special ed. services. (He would regress over an extended 3 day weekend and over regular school breaks during the year) The district agreed to provide a 10 week - 5 day a week - all day program for him. For more info on Extended School Year, go to www.abetterlife.org and click on the "Legal" section.

Bob Farley

farleylaw@...

[Guest guest]

Bob:

Thank you for addressing this question with your knowledge and experience.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeldegskb@...

Re: ESY

Most school districts offer 6 weeks extended school year - 4 days a week - 1/2 days. However, extended school year is to provide the necessary services so your child does not regress and ESY is suppose to be address your child needs. If your child needs more than what they offer, then he is entitled to more under the law.

I had an experience a number of years ago when my local school district did not want to offer more than the above. I suggested that park district activities / programs be made part of the IEP for the afternoon and the school district's response was that it was not "educational" although my son's needs were in the areas of life skills which of course could be implemented in a park district program. (He had a 1:1 aide during school and I proposed also a 1:1 aide for the afternoon) I told that the district initially that I was not asking for a 10 day week program - all day, as I wanted to be reasonable and get something more than they offered. When the district was only willing to add 2-3 more hours per week, I told them that it was unacceptable. I threatened to sue them (I am a civil rights attorney) if on the first day of summer vacation, the bus did not come to pick up my son and provide special ed. services. (He would regress over an extended 3 day weekend and over regular school breaks during the year) The district agreed to provide a 10 week - 5 day a week - all day program for him. For more info on Extended School Year, go to www.abetterlife.org and click on the "Legal" section.

Bob Farley

farleylawaol

[Guest guest]

A lot of times they will " offer " ESY based on what they have available. Our

school does this also! The first year we were here, I declined their offer

because it wasn't going to do anything for my ds. Instead, I got private

therapies to keep up his skills. So you need to realize that it's a two part

process really. First, does the child qualify for ESY and why? Second, what is

out there that can meet those needs?

This way, once you decide why the child qualifies, you can look at your options

according to the child's needs and not just the school's summer school. Our

school also put together an " autism " program for summer and it is so bad. The

schedule is terrible - they go 3 days a week, two weeks on, three weeks off, two

weeks on...it really is scheduled that way. So for kids who can't handle an

extended break, they get plenty over the summer. Then it is set up like

pre-school with " centers. " We have definitely tried to look at outside options

when considering ESY.

Roxanna

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On Dec 6, 3:08pm, ppanda65@... wrote:

} meira-harvey@... writes:

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} Ah... the truth comes out. Summer School is free if he has an IEP.

} It's all about money with these people.

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} It is free if the child is eligible. ESY has strict guidelines. Pam

They only offered three weeks for my son AND it was such a nightmare

we pulled him out after three days. They lumped all the special ed

kids together into one room, basically. The aides were really nasty.

Not to say it's always that bad, just that we had a lousy experience.

Willa