Re: Re: Is there a link between Constipation and Apraxia?

[Guest guest]

Hi - Maybe there is a connection. I have a 5 1/2 year old apraxic son and I

could write a book on constipation.

Patti

[Guest guest]

Hi - Maybe there is a connection. I have a 5 1/2 year old apraxic son and I

could write a book on constipation.

Patti

[Guest guest]

This bring up a good point, for me at least. My son is not the typical

hypotonia apraxia child.. OK, I know there's no typical apraxic child! BUT he

is almost 5 and doesn't have hypotonia. Infact, I've been told his gross motor

and fine motor skills are above average. He wants to be a " builder " when he

grows up. He is constipated and it's a struggle. I personally think there's a

motor planning link between Apraxia and constipation. Probably apraxia and

hypotonia too.

Also my son seems to have some audio processing difficulties which we are

working on. My SLP said it's not uncommon for children to have Audio processing

issues with apraxia. Again, probably a mapping issue.

I agree many special needs kids seem to have constipation...

Amy D.

Janel <ajberchi> wrote:

I know it is common with kids with hypotonia. And it seems like many

hypotonia kids have apraxia. Actually it is very common with many

special needs children. My son struggles with it also, you don't even

want to hear our 2.5 year long horror stories and he is 3 now. We've

finally got it under control also but with script meds daily

(Miralax). I hear fish oil is supposed to help but my child couldn't

tollerate the texture of it.

good luck!

Janel

>

> My daughter really struggled with constipation as a baby, but we've

> had it fixed for well over a year (thanks I think to chiropractic).

> But recently she's been struggling with it again. Is constipation a

> symptom of Apraxia? Or just something that, at this point, seems to

> be a common thread? Does the fish oil help by any chance? We just

> started the ProEFA today!! Thanks!

>

> Crystal

> Catey 2 yrs today

>

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[Guest guest]

This bring up a good point, for me at least. My son is not the typical

hypotonia apraxia child.. OK, I know there's no typical apraxic child! BUT he

is almost 5 and doesn't have hypotonia. Infact, I've been told his gross motor

and fine motor skills are above average. He wants to be a " builder " when he

grows up. He is constipated and it's a struggle. I personally think there's a

motor planning link between Apraxia and constipation. Probably apraxia and

hypotonia too.

Also my son seems to have some audio processing difficulties which we are

working on. My SLP said it's not uncommon for children to have Audio processing

issues with apraxia. Again, probably a mapping issue.

I agree many special needs kids seem to have constipation...

Amy D.

Janel <ajberchi> wrote:

I know it is common with kids with hypotonia. And it seems like many

hypotonia kids have apraxia. Actually it is very common with many

special needs children. My son struggles with it also, you don't even

want to hear our 2.5 year long horror stories and he is 3 now. We've

finally got it under control also but with script meds daily

(Miralax). I hear fish oil is supposed to help but my child couldn't

tollerate the texture of it.

good luck!

Janel

>

> My daughter really struggled with constipation as a baby, but we've

> had it fixed for well over a year (thanks I think to chiropractic).

> But recently she's been struggling with it again. Is constipation a

> symptom of Apraxia? Or just something that, at this point, seems to

> be a common thread? Does the fish oil help by any chance? We just

> started the ProEFA today!! Thanks!

>

> Crystal

> Catey 2 yrs today

>

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[Guest guest]

I just wanted to reply my son's constipation started at the exact same time. He

was doing great up until that first set of immunizations.

Kim

mommtlc <oldworldtile@...> wrote:

IMO -- pediatric gatroenterologists are not worth the copay. We saw

2 and NEITHER connected the dots with speech delay, possible ASD,

etc. They just wanted to write the prescription and move on to the

next one. Naturopaths did connect the brain-gut and possible toxin

connection.

Think back -- when did the constipation start. My son's started

immediately after his 2 month shots -- he received a total of 5 shots

in 2 weeks! I kick myself every time I think of this.

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to reply my son's constipation started at the exact same time. He

was doing great up until that first set of immunizations.

Kim

mommtlc <oldworldtile@...> wrote:

IMO -- pediatric gatroenterologists are not worth the copay. We saw

2 and NEITHER connected the dots with speech delay, possible ASD,

etc. They just wanted to write the prescription and move on to the

next one. Naturopaths did connect the brain-gut and possible toxin

connection.

Think back -- when did the constipation start. My son's started

immediately after his 2 month shots -- he received a total of 5 shots

in 2 weeks! I kick myself every time I think of this.

[Guest guest]

No constipation issues here, but my son also doesn't have sensory issues,

hypotonia or extreme food preferences. He eats a well balanced diet with

lots of fruits, some veggies and drinks a ton of just water (almost no

fruit juices and little milk.)

Miche

At 10:25 AM 8/5/2006, you wrote:

>Hi - Maybe there is a connection. I have a 5 1/2 year old apraxic son and I

>could write a book on constipation.

>

>Patti

[Guest guest]

>Miche, your child presents more as what some call a pure verbal

>apraxia which appears to be rare. Don't get me wrong -many believe

>that it's just a speech impairment, and wish that's all it is, but

>for most with apraxic children as time goes on the other soft signs

>become apparent. You are fortunate it's just verbal apraxia. Also

>on the rare side is that your child doesn't respond to EFAs. I'm

>not sure of the percentage of children with apraxia that go through

>constipation -but it appears to be more common then the norm.

That's why I qualified in my response that he didn't have the sensory

issues and hypotonia. My hunch is that the constipation issues may be

related to those very real often associated issues more than the apraxia

part if that makes sense. Without sensory issues a balanced diet is easier

too and without hypotonia and major motor planning issues in the rest of

the body I bet the bowels just work better!

Unfortunately my son doesn't have " just " apraxia, he also has significant

language issues which come with their own can of worms and further slows

his progress, but the apraxia part is almost " just " verbal apraxia if that

makes sense. He does have some oral apraxia, but not as severe as the

verbal. His biggest issues are placing his tongue on command in the front

of his mouth (behind his front teeth - and coincidentally that is where his

only cavity is. He cannot get there to lick off food!) He also overstuffs

his mouth and didn't drink from a cup, kiss with a " smack " or blow bubbles

until age 3 and still doesn't do those things correctly. He also has some

very mild motor planning in individual finger control, but not severe

enough to be diagnosed as motor dyspraxia according to the OT we saw. But

still he's a LOT closer to being " just " apraxic than most kids I've " met "

online.

I've noticed here and on other lists and message boards that the kids who

/just/ have speech issues without the associated sensory stuff tend not to

respond as much to the biomed treatments and EFAs, etc. I know this was

brought up at some point, and I have often wondered if my son didn't

respond because his apraxia is not related to the environment/toxins.

>As always I suspect whatever is causing the multifaceted aspect of

>communication impairments we are seeing today is environmentally

>triggered, and those appear to be in the majority the children that

>respond to EFAs. Don't you live in New Mexico? Even though PROMPT

>is there if that's where you live...far from a cluster area -so

>probably the environmental trigger is low or not there. It's a good

>thing that PROMPT is looking to open some sort of school in NY -an

>close to cluster areas of apraxic children.

While we live in NM where apraxia is quite rare he was not born here. I

was living in Mountain View, CA in the first two trimesters and moved to

San where we lived until he was 16 months old. Some say the Bay Area

is a cluster area, but my hunch is that my son's apraxia is not related to

that. I guess we'll never know. We also selectively vaccinate and he

didn't have thimerisol vaccines so I can't blame that (although others

still like to do that for me. ) I already had a child with a severe

speech delay (resolved " overnight " around age 4-4.5) and he also reacted

poorly to the MMR so I wasn't taking chanced with #2!

>But back to constipation -not that constipation can't just affect

>any child...but talking about this group and as often as it comes

>up -again appears to be a connection.

>

>But based on all of the above -perhaps your child is one of the text

>book cases of apraxia -and that's why no constipation for your

>child? What do you think?

That's exactly what I think! I wonder if all here that experience

constipation also have the hypotonia or sensory issues as well or motor

planning issues beyond the oral/verbal. I know that most special needs

kids I know who have potty training issues also have issues with the

sensory aspect of it. My son didn't have that extra challenge.

Miche

[Guest guest]

No constipation issues here, but my son also doesn't have sensory issues,

hypotonia or extreme food preferences. He eats a well balanced diet with

lots of fruits, some veggies and drinks a ton of just water (almost no

fruit juices and little milk.)

Miche

At 10:25 AM 8/5/2006, you wrote:

>Hi - Maybe there is a connection. I have a 5 1/2 year old apraxic son and I

>could write a book on constipation.

>

>Patti

[Guest guest]

>Miche, your child presents more as what some call a pure verbal

>apraxia which appears to be rare. Don't get me wrong -many believe

>that it's just a speech impairment, and wish that's all it is, but

>for most with apraxic children as time goes on the other soft signs

>become apparent. You are fortunate it's just verbal apraxia. Also

>on the rare side is that your child doesn't respond to EFAs. I'm

>not sure of the percentage of children with apraxia that go through

>constipation -but it appears to be more common then the norm.

That's why I qualified in my response that he didn't have the sensory

issues and hypotonia. My hunch is that the constipation issues may be

related to those very real often associated issues more than the apraxia

part if that makes sense. Without sensory issues a balanced diet is easier

too and without hypotonia and major motor planning issues in the rest of

the body I bet the bowels just work better!

Unfortunately my son doesn't have " just " apraxia, he also has significant

language issues which come with their own can of worms and further slows

his progress, but the apraxia part is almost " just " verbal apraxia if that

makes sense. He does have some oral apraxia, but not as severe as the

verbal. His biggest issues are placing his tongue on command in the front

of his mouth (behind his front teeth - and coincidentally that is where his

only cavity is. He cannot get there to lick off food!) He also overstuffs

his mouth and didn't drink from a cup, kiss with a " smack " or blow bubbles

until age 3 and still doesn't do those things correctly. He also has some

very mild motor planning in individual finger control, but not severe

enough to be diagnosed as motor dyspraxia according to the OT we saw. But

still he's a LOT closer to being " just " apraxic than most kids I've " met "

online.

I've noticed here and on other lists and message boards that the kids who

/just/ have speech issues without the associated sensory stuff tend not to

respond as much to the biomed treatments and EFAs, etc. I know this was

brought up at some point, and I have often wondered if my son didn't

respond because his apraxia is not related to the environment/toxins.

>As always I suspect whatever is causing the multifaceted aspect of

>communication impairments we are seeing today is environmentally

>triggered, and those appear to be in the majority the children that

>respond to EFAs. Don't you live in New Mexico? Even though PROMPT

>is there if that's where you live...far from a cluster area -so

>probably the environmental trigger is low or not there. It's a good

>thing that PROMPT is looking to open some sort of school in NY -an

>close to cluster areas of apraxic children.

While we live in NM where apraxia is quite rare he was not born here. I

was living in Mountain View, CA in the first two trimesters and moved to

San where we lived until he was 16 months old. Some say the Bay Area

is a cluster area, but my hunch is that my son's apraxia is not related to

that. I guess we'll never know. We also selectively vaccinate and he

didn't have thimerisol vaccines so I can't blame that (although others

still like to do that for me. ) I already had a child with a severe

speech delay (resolved " overnight " around age 4-4.5) and he also reacted

poorly to the MMR so I wasn't taking chanced with #2!

>But back to constipation -not that constipation can't just affect

>any child...but talking about this group and as often as it comes

>up -again appears to be a connection.

>

>But based on all of the above -perhaps your child is one of the text

>book cases of apraxia -and that's why no constipation for your

>child? What do you think?

That's exactly what I think! I wonder if all here that experience

constipation also have the hypotonia or sensory issues as well or motor

planning issues beyond the oral/verbal. I know that most special needs

kids I know who have potty training issues also have issues with the

sensory aspect of it. My son didn't have that extra challenge.

Miche