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Hi, ,

I am not any medicine specifically for afib but do take hazaar and

metroprolol for high blood pressure. I don't have afib too often (3 or

4 times a year) but taking an extra half (25 mg) of metropolol (okayed

by my doctor) does cause me to convert to NSR in 2 to 4 hours. It may

be that just by slowing my rate down, that somehow facilitates it but it

sure works for me and keeps me from stronger drugs or having to go to

the ER, at least for the time being.

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Hi Garrett,

I think my Mom is concerned that if she waits longer on the ablation she is

going to go into a-fib more and more. She doesn't want to be in Chronic a-fib

before she decides to have the ablation done. I think her thinking is that

ablations seems to be most successful on people who have paraxysmal (sp?) a-fib,

so she'd rather have it done then. If there is a potential way to stop the

a-fib altogether, that's what she wants. Are you questioning ablation as a

first line of defense because of the risks associated with it?

Re: New Member/Questions

I hate to add to your worries because, believe me, I know how

overwhelming all this can be. I just seems like an ablation should be

a last line of defense and more and more EP's are turning to it as the

first line. Your mother's symptoms, though undoubtedly scary, sound

fairly mild. I'm not sure I would undergo an ablation if I were in her

shoes.

Then again, I'm not an EP and I'm not in your mother's shoes. Either

way, I hope all goes well for her and that you keep us informed on the

outcome. We like to here success stories.

Garrett

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> My name is . My Mother is 54 and was recently diagnosed with A-

> fib. She has had it 3 times that we know of, all were about 2-4

> weeks apart. The first one followed a nasty stomach bug that caused

> her to be hospitalized. After the second one, she was put on

> Tikosyn, Toprol, and Coumadin. She had another episode 2 days ago.

> Her heart rate tends to be in the 130's while she has her episodes.

> During all three episodes she has converted to NSR within 4 hours,

> and always within 30 minutes to 1 and 1/2 hours of taking 50mg of

> Metroprolol. She is scheduled for an ablation with Dr. Mark Harvey

> at the Oklahoma Heart Hospital on May 31st. He is a great EP and we

> are very happy with him.

>

> My questions:

>

> 1). Do people typically convert to NSR with Metroprolol? I'm

> wondering if it's the medicine converting her, or if she's converting

> on her own.

>

> 2). What are your triggers for a-fib? We're trying to figure out

> what hers might be. We definitely think stress might be one. The

> day before the episode 2 days ago she had a very stressful event.

> The second episode was preceeded by alot of work stress, and the

> first one by the stomach bug. I've tried to search the net for

> typical triggers, but it all seems to talk about heart failure and

> sick sinus syndrome, none of which she has.

>

> 3). Any other advice is greatly appreciated! These episodes are

> very scary for my Mom and I and we are pretty overwhelmed by all of

> this.

>

> Thanks so much!

>

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Hi

Meds should be the first line of defense. I have been diagnosed for 4

years and probably had afib for much longer than that and I am not in

persistent afib yet, ablation procedures are evolving all the time so it

may be in your mom's best interest to wait and give the meds a try

first. I am going to see an ep next month as I have run out of option

(tried most of the meds).

ine

Re: New Member/Questions

I hate to add to your worries because, believe me, I know how

overwhelming all this can be. I just seems like an ablation should be

a last line of defense and more and more EP's are turning to it as the

first line. Your mother's symptoms, though undoubtedly scary, sound

fairly mild. I'm not sure I would undergo an ablation if I were in her

shoes.

Then again, I'm not an EP and I'm not in your mother's shoes. Either

way, I hope all goes well for her and that you keep us informed on the

outcome. We like to here success stories.

Garrett

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> My name is . My Mother is 54 and was recently diagnosed with A-

> fib. She has had it 3 times that we know of, all were about 2-4

> weeks apart. The first one followed a nasty stomach bug that caused

> her to be hospitalized. After the second one, she was put on

> Tikosyn, Toprol, and Coumadin. She had another episode 2 days ago.

> Her heart rate tends to be in the 130's while she has her episodes.

> During all three episodes she has converted to NSR within 4 hours,

> and always within 30 minutes to 1 and 1/2 hours of taking 50mg of

> Metroprolol. She is scheduled for an ablation with Dr. Mark Harvey

> at the Oklahoma Heart Hospital on May 31st. He is a great EP and we

> are very happy with him.

>

> My questions:

>

> 1). Do people typically convert to NSR with Metroprolol? I'm

> wondering if it's the medicine converting her, or if she's converting

> on her own.

>

> 2). What are your triggers for a-fib? We're trying to figure out

> what hers might be. We definitely think stress might be one. The

> day before the episode 2 days ago she had a very stressful event.

> The second episode was preceeded by alot of work stress, and the

> first one by the stomach bug. I've tried to search the net for

> typical triggers, but it all seems to talk about heart failure and

> sick sinus syndrome, none of which she has.

>

> 3). Any other advice is greatly appreciated! These episodes are

> very scary for my Mom and I and we are pretty overwhelmed by all of

> this.

>

> Thanks so much!

>

Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com

List owner: AFIBsupport-owner

For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email,

send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help

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should be

acted upon without consultation with one's physician.

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Actually I was going to bring up the exact argument you used to defend

early ablations but I got lazy. My understanding is that you are

fundamentally correct, the longer you're in a-fib, the harder it is to

correct.

My concerns about ablation are that it is not without risk and that it

is not a cure all. My own experience with ablation has not been great

and I question whether I would submit myself to a procedure that is

60% - 70% effective and that carries a small but definite risk if my

symptoms where as you described.

I see this as a balancing act, moving on to ablation before the a-fib

get's so bad that the changes of curing it are diminished but not so

quickly that other, less invasive, remedies are not explored.

Like I said, though, I'm not an EP and I'm not in your mother's shoes.

I expect that the EP has weighed the risks and advantages and made a

recommendation that he/she feels is in the best interest of your

mother. Maybe I'm just a little gun shy because my own ablation seems

to have left me worse off, at least in my opinion, than when I started.

I wouldn't worry, though. The risks are small and the chance of

success is reasonable. If I were a bett'en man, I'd do the same thing

I did before; have the ablation and pray for the chance at a normal

life again.

Garrett

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> >

> > My name is . My Mother is 54 and was recently diagnosed with A-

> > fib. She has had it 3 times that we know of, all were about 2-4

> > weeks apart. The first one followed a nasty stomach bug that caused

> > her to be hospitalized. After the second one, she was put on

> > Tikosyn, Toprol, and Coumadin. She had another episode 2 days ago.

> > Her heart rate tends to be in the 130's while she has her episodes.

> > During all three episodes she has converted to NSR within 4 hours,

> > and always within 30 minutes to 1 and 1/2 hours of taking 50mg of

> > Metroprolol. She is scheduled for an ablation with Dr. Mark Harvey

> > at the Oklahoma Heart Hospital on May 31st. He is a great EP and we

> > are very happy with him.

> >

> > My questions:

> >

> > 1). Do people typically convert to NSR with Metroprolol? I'm

> > wondering if it's the medicine converting her, or if she's converting

> > on her own.

> >

> > 2). What are your triggers for a-fib? We're trying to figure out

> > what hers might be. We definitely think stress might be one. The

> > day before the episode 2 days ago she had a very stressful event.

> > The second episode was preceeded by alot of work stress, and the

> > first one by the stomach bug. I've tried to search the net for

> > typical triggers, but it all seems to talk about heart failure and

> > sick sinus syndrome, none of which she has.

> >

> > 3). Any other advice is greatly appreciated! These episodes are

> > very scary for my Mom and I and we are pretty overwhelmed by all of

> > this.

> >

> > Thanks so much!

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com

> List owner: AFIBsupport-owner

> For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email,

> send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help

>

> Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or

should be

> acted upon without consultation with one's physician.

>

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, Metoprolol helps me to convert. My physician and I came up with a plan to

take an extra metprolol tab when I have AF breakthrough. It does help convert

me. Of course, this plan was developed by my physicain considering all of my

individual factor such as my health and cardiac condition, and this plan would

not necessarily be appropriate for everyone. My trigger is alcohol. Even 1or

2 beers can trigger AF, but this is only a recent development. In the past

alcohol was no problem. Good luck,

jjezell2003 violetiye@...> wrote: Hi Everyone,

My name is . My Mother is 54 and was recently diagnosed with A-

fib. She has had it 3 times that we know of, all were about 2-4

weeks apart. The first one followed a nasty stomach bug that caused

her to be hospitalized. After the second one, she was put on

Tikosyn, Toprol, and Coumadin. She had another episode 2 days ago.

Her heart rate tends to be in the 130's while she has her episodes.

During all three episodes she has converted to NSR within 4 hours,

and always within 30 minutes to 1 and 1/2 hours of taking 50mg of

Metroprolol. She is scheduled for an ablation with Dr. Mark Harvey

at the Oklahoma Heart Hospital on May 31st. He is a great EP and we

are very happy with him.

My questions:

1). Do people typically convert to NSR with Metroprolol? I'm

wondering if it's the medicine converting her, or if she's converting

on her own.

2). What are your triggers for a-fib? We're trying to figure out

what hers might be. We definitely think stress might be one. The

day before the episode 2 days ago she had a very stressful event.

The second episode was preceeded by alot of work stress, and the

first one by the stomach bug. I've tried to search the net for

typical triggers, but it all seems to talk about heart failure and

sick sinus syndrome, none of which she has.

3). Any other advice is greatly appreciated! These episodes are

very scary for my Mom and I and we are pretty overwhelmed by all of

this.

Thanks so much!

Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com

List owner: AFIBsupport-owner

For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email,

send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help

Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be

acted upon without consultation with one's physician.

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The success rate is more like 85% on the first attempt at most of the large

centers. Then almost 100% on a touchup. The technique has improved dramatically

as they have done more of them.

garrett63376 garrett63376@...> wrote:

Actually I was going to bring up the exact argument you used to defend

early ablations but I got lazy. My understanding is that you are

fundamentally correct, the longer you're in a-fib, the harder it is to

correct.

My concerns about ablation are that it is not without risk and that it

is not a cure all. My own experience with ablation has not been great

and I question whether I would submit myself to a procedure that is

60% - 70% effective and that carries a small but definite risk if my

symptoms where as you described.

I see this as a balancing act, moving on to ablation before the a-fib

get's so bad that the changes of curing it are diminished but not so

quickly that other, less invasive, remedies are not explored.

Like I said, though, I'm not an EP and I'm not in your mother's shoes.

I expect that the EP has weighed the risks and advantages and made a

recommendation that he/she feels is in the best interest of your

mother. Maybe I'm just a little gun shy because my own ablation seems

to have left me worse off, at least in my opinion, than when I started.

I wouldn't worry, though. The risks are small and the chance of

success is reasonable. If I were a bett'en man, I'd do the same thing

I did before; have the ablation and pray for the chance at a normal

life again.

Garrett

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> >

> > My name is . My Mother is 54 and was recently diagnosed with A-

> > fib. She has had it 3 times that we know of, all were about 2-4

> > weeks apart. The first one followed a nasty stomach bug that caused

> > her to be hospitalized. After the second one, she was put on

> > Tikosyn, Toprol, and Coumadin. She had another episode 2 days ago.

> > Her heart rate tends to be in the 130's while she has her episodes.

> > During all three episodes she has converted to NSR within 4 hours,

> > and always within 30 minutes to 1 and 1/2 hours of taking 50mg of

> > Metroprolol. She is scheduled for an ablation with Dr. Mark Harvey

> > at the Oklahoma Heart Hospital on May 31st. He is a great EP and we

> > are very happy with him.

> >

> > My questions:

> >

> > 1). Do people typically convert to NSR with Metroprolol? I'm

> > wondering if it's the medicine converting her, or if she's converting

> > on her own.

> >

> > 2). What are your triggers for a-fib? We're trying to figure out

> > what hers might be. We definitely think stress might be one. The

> > day before the episode 2 days ago she had a very stressful event.

> > The second episode was preceeded by alot of work stress, and the

> > first one by the stomach bug. I've tried to search the net for

> > typical triggers, but it all seems to talk about heart failure and

> > sick sinus syndrome, none of which she has.

> >

> > 3). Any other advice is greatly appreciated! These episodes are

> > very scary for my Mom and I and we are pretty overwhelmed by all of

> > this.

> >

> > Thanks so much!

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com

> List owner: AFIBsupport-owner

> For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email,

> send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help

>

> Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or

should be

> acted upon without consultation with one's physician.

>

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, to add a little to my previous response to your question metoprolol is

recognized for it's ability to slow the heart rate, and it is not considered and

antiarrhytmic. That being said, in conjunction with my antiarrhytmic

(flecainide, Sotolol, and Tikosyn at various times) it has helped my

breakthrough AF to convert on many occassions. In my response previously, I

mentioned how, with my doctors consent, I take an extra tablet of metoprolol and

it works like a charm. Beyond this use metoprolol plays and essential

supportive role to my antiarrythmic. After my first AF diagnosis many years ago

I was placed on flecainide, which worked to keep AF at bay for a few years. When

flecainide stopped working as well metoprolol was added and I was able to remain

pretty well afib free for many more years. I tried my best, working with my

doc, to get off of AF. This effort entailed eating a healthy diet, regular

exercise, and acupuncture but everytime I started to cut back on my

metaprolol dose the AF would come back.

Metaprolol is a beta blocker, which means that it blocks " beta " receptors

which are part of the Sympathetic Nervous System (SNS). The SNS is in part

driven by adrenalin which is why it is also called the adrenergic system. In

this system there are various receptors and the main adrenergic receptors are

called " alpha " and " beta " receptors. Stimulation of the alpha receptors with

adrenalin and other transmitters cause a variety of effects in the body, one of

them is vasoconstriction. Beta receptors when stimulated cause the heart to beat

faster and harder and make the heart more irritable. Given all of these effects

it is easy to understand that beta blockers can play a role in heart activity.

So even though beta blockers such as metoprolol are not considered

antiarrythmics, they can help to convert AF to NSR. At least that is my

personal experience.

Kathy kathycantrell@...> wrote:

<

>

Hi, ,

I am not any medicine specifically for afib but do take hazaar and

metroprolol for high blood pressure. I don't have afib too often (3 or

4 times a year) but taking an extra half (25 mg) of metropolol (okayed

by my doctor) does cause me to convert to NSR in 2 to 4 hours. It may

be that just by slowing my rate down, that somehow facilitates it but it

sure works for me and keeps me from stronger drugs or having to go to

the ER, at least for the time being.

KathyC

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, Your mom has just been diagnosed and at this point the first goal is to

get her rhythm and rate stabilized. Before going for a procedure I would suggest

you do research to see which procedure is most efficacious and second to

research physicians to evaluate their experience and results. It makes a big

difference who does the procedure! It may be that you have already done this,

but if not do take the time needed to do so because indeed there is no rush,

even though it may feel otherwise. Best wishes, and please keep us posted,

violetiye@... wrote: Hi Garrett,

I think my Mom is concerned that if she waits longer on the ablation she is

going to go into a-fib more and more. She doesn't want to be in Chronic a-fib

before she decides to have the ablation done. I think her thinking is that

ablations seems to be most successful on people who have paraxysmal (sp?) a-fib,

so she'd rather have it done then. If there is a potential way to stop the

a-fib altogether, that's what she wants. Are you questioning ablation as a

first line of defense because of the risks associated with it?

Re: New Member/Questions

I hate to add to your worries because, believe me, I know how

overwhelming all this can be. I just seems like an ablation should be

a last line of defense and more and more EP's are turning to it as the

first line. Your mother's symptoms, though undoubtedly scary, sound

fairly mild. I'm not sure I would undergo an ablation if I were in her

shoes.

Then again, I'm not an EP and I'm not in your mother's shoes. Either

way, I hope all goes well for her and that you keep us informed on the

outcome. We like to here success stories.

Garrett

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> My name is . My Mother is 54 and was recently diagnosed with A-

> fib. She has had it 3 times that we know of, all were about 2-4

> weeks apart. The first one followed a nasty stomach bug that caused

> her to be hospitalized. After the second one, she was put on

> Tikosyn, Toprol, and Coumadin. She had another episode 2 days ago.

> Her heart rate tends to be in the 130's while she has her episodes.

> During all three episodes she has converted to NSR within 4 hours,

> and always within 30 minutes to 1 and 1/2 hours of taking 50mg of

> Metroprolol. She is scheduled for an ablation with Dr. Mark Harvey

> at the Oklahoma Heart Hospital on May 31st. He is a great EP and we

> are very happy with him.

>

> My questions:

>

> 1). Do people typically convert to NSR with Metroprolol? I'm

> wondering if it's the medicine converting her, or if she's converting

> on her own.

>

> 2). What are your triggers for a-fib? We're trying to figure out

> what hers might be. We definitely think stress might be one. The

> day before the episode 2 days ago she had a very stressful event.

> The second episode was preceeded by alot of work stress, and the

> first one by the stomach bug. I've tried to search the net for

> typical triggers, but it all seems to talk about heart failure and

> sick sinus syndrome, none of which she has.

>

> 3). Any other advice is greatly appreciated! These episodes are

> very scary for my Mom and I and we are pretty overwhelmed by all of

> this.

>

> Thanks so much!

>

Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com

List owner: AFIBsupport-owner

For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email,

send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help

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Thanks Kathy, that makes perfect sense to me. After my Mom's last episode

they upped her Metroprolol, which makes sense if it had a roll in helping her

reconvert.

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Depends on how you define success, I suppose. The literature I've read

defines success as a-fib free and drug free and reports numbers more

like 60% - 70%. The 85% number is usually associated with people who

are a-fib free but not necessarily without drugs.

In any event, I've had two ablations since march and am on hands full

of pills and I'm definitely not anything free at the moment.

Garrett

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone,

> > >

> > > My name is . My Mother is 54 and was recently diagnosed

with A-

> > > fib. She has had it 3 times that we know of, all were about 2-4

> > > weeks apart. The first one followed a nasty stomach bug that

caused

> > > her to be hospitalized. After the second one, she was put on

> > > Tikosyn, Toprol, and Coumadin. She had another episode 2 days

ago.

> > > Her heart rate tends to be in the 130's while she has her

episodes.

> > > During all three episodes she has converted to NSR within 4 hours,

> > > and always within 30 minutes to 1 and 1/2 hours of taking 50mg of

> > > Metroprolol. She is scheduled for an ablation with Dr. Mark Harvey

> > > at the Oklahoma Heart Hospital on May 31st. He is a great EP

and we

> > > are very happy with him.

> > >

> > > My questions:

> > >

> > > 1). Do people typically convert to NSR with Metroprolol? I'm

> > > wondering if it's the medicine converting her, or if she's

converting

> > > on her own.

> > >

> > > 2). What are your triggers for a-fib? We're trying to figure out

> > > what hers might be. We definitely think stress might be one. The

> > > day before the episode 2 days ago she had a very stressful event.

> > > The second episode was preceeded by alot of work stress, and the

> > > first one by the stomach bug. I've tried to search the net for

> > > typical triggers, but it all seems to talk about heart failure and

> > > sick sinus syndrome, none of which she has.

> > >

> > > 3). Any other advice is greatly appreciated! These episodes are

> > > very scary for my Mom and I and we are pretty overwhelmed by all of

> > > this.

> > >

> > > Thanks so much!

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com

> > List owner: AFIBsupport-owner

> > For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email,

> > send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help

> >

> > Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or

> should be

> > acted upon without consultation with one's physician.

> >

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