Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 Sorry if that sounded harsh I am taking my dad for transfusion tomorrow. He's same type as me. I cannot donate, even though I have too much iron. Very frustrating to me to watch him. He is very weak as we sit here. I have the blood, I have the iron, but *I'd* be hospitalized if I donated, rendering me useless to him. I'm off to the cardiologist with him, but his color, or lack of, is scaring me. He walked in the door and asked if I had more nitro. This is not good. Thanks, Vitalady, Inc. T www.vitalady.com If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 I will put both of you on my prayer list right now. I did not notice the harshness. Boliver > Sorry if that sounded harsh > > I am taking my dad for transfusion tomorrow. He's same type as me. I cannot donate, even though I have too much iron. Very frustrating to me to watch him. He is very weak as we sit here. I have the blood, I have the iron, but *I'd* be hospitalized if I donated, rendering me useless to him. > > I'm off to the cardiologist with him, but his color, or lack of, is scaring me. He walked in the door and asked if I had more nitro. > > This is not good. > > > > > Thanks, > > > Vitalady, Inc. T > www.vitalady.com > > If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 , I am sorry to hear that your dad is having heart problems on top of everything else. I know how scary that can be. But having watched the slow progression of alzheimer's finally leading to my grandmother's death over a period of 3 years or more. I can't help thinking that for him and you serious heart problems could be a blessing for both of you. That maybe neither of you will have to go thru all of the bad progressions of alzheimers. Not that I want anything to happen to your dad, but it reached a point with my grandmother that they told us she could live for 20 years, if we gave her a feeding tube so she didn't choke. Unless she got pneumonia or something because her heart was fine, etc. I hope your dad is doing better. Take care of yourself. PatC/FL > Sorry if that sounded harsh > > I am taking my dad for transfusion tomorrow. He's same type as me. I cannot donate, even though I have too much iron. Very frustrating to me to watch him. He is very weak as we sit here. I have the blood, I have the iron, but *I'd* be hospitalized if I donated, rendering me useless to him. > > I'm off to the cardiologist with him, but his color, or lack of, is scaring me. He walked in the door and asked if I had more nitro. > > This is not good. > > > > > Thanks, > > > Vitalady, Inc. T > www.vitalady.com > > If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 Let us know ! Prayers go with you! Phyllis donating blood > Sorry if that sounded harsh > > I am taking my dad for transfusion tomorrow. He's same type as me. I cannot donate, even though I have too much iron. Very frustrating to me to watch him. He is very weak as we sit here. I have the blood, I have the iron, but *I'd* be hospitalized if I donated, rendering me useless to him. > > I'm off to the cardiologist with him, but his color, or lack of, is scaring me. He walked in the door and asked if I had more nitro. > > This is not good. > > > > > Thanks, > > > Vitalady, Inc. T > www.vitalady.com > > If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 I donated blood shortly after 9/11 and have been fighting anemia ever since. Many docs say not to donate because it's difficult to rebuild our iron stores, but others say it's ok. Personally, I'll never do it again. There are other ways to help that don't involve putting ourselves at risk. ------------------------------------------------ Terry Mayers 5DollarHosting.com® http://www.5dollarhosting.com (877)-838-HOST / .... because it shouldn't cost a fortune to make a fortune! ® Donating Blood What is the general feeling on donating blood? Should we do it? Is it a risk that we should avoid? Boliver 385/130/200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 Do not give blood Terry found out the hard way after 9-11 Donating Blood > What is the general feeling on donating blood? Should we do it? Is > it a risk that we should avoid? > > Boliver > 385/130/200 > > > > To Subscribe to 's monthly FREE Newsletter send an email to GBCookbook-subscribe@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 Mom obviously since my server is down I have missed something I will be praying for you and your dad . big TN hugs donating blood > Sorry if that sounded harsh > > I am taking my dad for transfusion tomorrow. He's same type as me. I cannot donate, even though I have too much iron. Very frustrating to me to watch him. He is very weak as we sit here. I have the blood, I have the iron, but *I'd* be hospitalized if I donated, rendering me useless to him. > > I'm off to the cardiologist with him, but his color, or lack of, is scaring me. He walked in the door and asked if I had more nitro. > > This is not good. > > > > > Thanks, > > > Vitalady, Inc. T > www.vitalady.com > > If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 Thanks very much. Your response in love, mine in harshness... Thanks, Vitalady, Inc. T www.vitalady.com If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com Re: donating blood I will put both of you on my prayer list right now. I did not notice the harshness. Boliver > Sorry if that sounded harsh > > I am taking my dad for transfusion tomorrow. He's same type as me. I cannot donate, even though I have too much iron. Very frustrating to me to watch him. He is very weak as we sit here. I have the blood, I have the iron, but *I'd* be hospitalized if I donated, rendering me useless to him. > > I'm off to the cardiologist with him, but his color, or lack of, is scaring me. He walked in the door and asked if I had more nitro. > > This is not good. > > > > > Thanks, > > > Vitalady, Inc. T > www.vitalady.com > > If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 I understand totally what you're saying and I take it as a kindness. As the doc stood there and told me that basically, they don't plan to fix it, only dx it, I felt helpless, BUT realizing what he may be spared.... Very mixed feelings. The doc said that if he is blocked (which is apparent), they will not subject a man that age to a bypass. Probably, they would not subject him to angiogram. Now, THAT was a bucket of cold water. It was almost as if he was not in thee room as she told me this. He did not question it or ask for clarification in any way. It's much as they said about my mom. To try to fix her heart would have been, in essence, an execution, so they let it take its course (only a few days). But still, to have someone who you THINK has the power to do anything stand there & tell you they can't, well, it's very frightening. So, we will subject him to many tests and ultimately, there will be a dx, but no treatment, as best as I can tell, though they will use some drugs to minimize his angina attacks. Even so, there is that tiny part of me that hopes the Lord will be ever more gracious and take him quickly, rather than allowing him to see himself die by the inch. Thank you for your prayer that he will be spared any unbearable pain. Tomorrow, I must confront him head on & take over his finances (before he gives it all away), and somehow, we must take the car. I'm not sure I'm up to that, setting up the caregiving he doesn't want and then sticking him in the hospital all day for blood transfusion. Wow. Thanks, Vitalady, Inc. T www.vitalady.com If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com Re: donating blood , I am sorry to hear that your dad is having heart problems on top of everything else. I know how scary that can be. But having watched the slow progression of alzheimer's finally leading to my grandmother's death over a period of 3 years or more. I can't help thinking that for him and you serious heart problems could be a blessing for both of you. That maybe neither of you will have to go thru all of the bad progressions of alzheimers. Not that I want anything to happen to your dad, but it reached a point with my grandmother that they told us she could live for 20 years, if we gave her a feeding tube so she didn't choke. Unless she got pneumonia or something because her heart was fine, etc. I hope your dad is doing better. Take care of yourself. PatC/FL > Sorry if that sounded harsh > > I am taking my dad for transfusion tomorrow. He's same type as me. I cannot donate, even though I have too much iron. Very frustrating to me to watch him. He is very weak as we sit here. I have the blood, I have the iron, but *I'd* be hospitalized if I donated, rendering me useless to him. > > I'm off to the cardiologist with him, but his color, or lack of, is scaring me. He walked in the door and asked if I had more nitro. > > This is not good. > > > > > Thanks, > > > Vitalady, Inc. T > www.vitalady.com > > If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 We are not allowed to donate blood after weight loss surgery as it takes us a very long time to regenerate the blood that we gave.. and we become anemic very easily. Hugs, from GA open RNY 12/12/00 Revision 04/18/01 Revision 02/07/02 St wt.... 392 Cw.......187 Wt loss..-205 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 > > > > What is the general feeling on donating blood? Should we do it? Is > > it a risk that we should avoid? > > > > Boliver > > 385/130/200 > > Boliver, I recently had my initial class and I do remember one of the things she said was we can never give blood after surgery. I didn't remember why, but it must have sounded reasonable or I would have questioned it. Krissy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 Mom I am so sorry to see you suffer thru this and I am sure this will be a very upsetting day just remember I love you and I am praying Re: donating blood > > > , > I am sorry to hear that your dad is having heart problems on top of > everything else. I know how scary that can be. But having watched the > slow progression of alzheimer's finally leading to my grandmother's > death over a period of 3 years or more. I can't help thinking that > for him and you serious heart problems could be a blessing for both > of you. That maybe neither of you will have to go thru all of the bad > progressions of alzheimers. Not that I want anything to happen to > your dad, but it reached a point with my grandmother that they told > us she could live for 20 years, if we gave her a feeding tube so she > didn't choke. Unless she got pneumonia or something because her heart > was fine, etc. > > I hope your dad is doing better. Take care of yourself. > > PatC/FL > > > Sorry if that sounded harsh > > > > I am taking my dad for transfusion tomorrow. He's same type as me. > I cannot donate, even though I have too much iron. Very frustrating > to me to watch him. He is very weak as we sit here. I have the > blood, I have the iron, but *I'd* be hospitalized if I donated, > rendering me useless to him. > > > > I'm off to the cardiologist with him, but his color, or lack of, is > scaring me. He walked in the door and asked if I had more nitro. > > > > This is not good. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Vitalady, Inc. T > > www.vitalady.com > > > > If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 Never again, Jean. Takes too long to build up the iron again. Jeanne in WI Age 39 - Dr. T. Chua Open RNY - 5/21/02 5'7 " - 314/216/150-175 djgraves@... can we ever give blood again... i have never done this before since they are never down in my area i guess i am just toooo rural for them lol... but just curious... Jean Henry/dr. zahn/ st.lukes/arizona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 OK, I understand about not donating blood, but can we donate serum? I've been asked a couple of times by my local blood bank to donate serum, but I not done so. Pam in Niceville Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 Pam, I would check with your surgeon, will they give you your red cells back or hook you up to a machine that separates? Another thing you might want to look into is platelets, or bone marrow, it's a nice gift. Debbie Sellman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 Thanks, Debbie. I'll ask the blood center first to see what is involved. Platelets,I guess might be another option. I've always been a big blood donor, and have felt wierd not being able to give blood since surgery. Pam Re: Donating Blood Pam, I would check with your surgeon, will they give you your red cells back or hook you up to a machine that separates? Another thing you might want to look into is platelets, or bone marrow, it's a nice gift. Debbie Sellman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 , I am so glad you understood that I meant what I said in kindness, only because I have seen firsthand what AD does to the patient and to the family. I woke up about 2am and got to worrying that you might not have understood what I was trying to say. I have memories of my grandmother, I would rather not have. Though I also, have some funny ones, because some of the conversations & things she did & said were funny as her memory went. But I would have preferred to never to have seen that. It was very hard in the early stages when she knew she was forgetting things and that it was out of her control. Not helped by her daughter's total denial of the situation. If I was there and my grandmother asked me the same question 4+ times, I'd just keep answering it. Because I knew she'd already forgot she'd ask me. But my aunt in her total denial, would yell at her mother that she already asked me that 3 times and to stop asking me. The look on my grandmother's face broke my heart. I couldn't deal with my aunt about it and asked my dad to try. But he never had much success either. Sorry I am rambling and this does bring back a lot of memories. You do have my prayers: for wisdom and strength that you will know what to do and that you will be able to handle this situation. That Don will be a comfort and a support, that he will know that sometimes he can't do anything for you but let you vent. That your dad will be kept as comfortable as possible, that he will have acceptance and understanding as much as possible in the circumstances. May God fill your heart with the good memories of your father. Always come here & vent if you need to. I know you have a lot of loving support in this group. {{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}} PatC/FL > I understand totally what you're saying and I take it as a kindness. > > As the doc stood there and told me that basically, they don't plan to fix it, only dx it, I felt helpless, BUT realizing what he may be spared.... Very mixed feelings. > > The doc said that if he is blocked (which is apparent), they will not subject a man that age to a bypass. Probably, they would not subject him to angiogram. Now, THAT was a bucket of cold water. It was almost as if he was not in thee room as she told me this. He did not question it or ask for clarification in any way. It's much as they said about my mom. To try to fix her heart would have been, in essence, an execution, so they let it take its course (only a few days). But still, to have someone who you THINK has the power to do anything stand there & tell you they can't, well, it's very frightening. > > So, we will subject him to many tests and ultimately, there will be a dx, but no treatment, as best as I can tell, though they will use some drugs to minimize his angina attacks. > > Even so, there is that tiny part of me that hopes the Lord will be ever more gracious and take him quickly, rather than allowing him to see himself die by the inch. > > Thank you for your prayer that he will be spared any unbearable pain. > > Tomorrow, I must confront him head on & take over his finances (before he gives it all away), and somehow, we must take the car. I'm not sure I'm up to that, setting up the caregiving he doesn't want and then sticking him in the hospital all day for blood transfusion. Wow. > > > Thanks, > > > Vitalady, Inc. T > www.vitalady.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 I was on that AD list for only 2 months, but I read thousands of posts. And that sentiment, the wish to let them go quickly & peacefully over suffering with the disease seems to be universal. It's hard to think the thought. I know what I would prefer for MYSELF, were I the AD victim. " Just lemme outta here " , so no. In no way were your words harsh, but indeed. comforting, because you understand that argument that goes on in my head. He is admitted to the hospital. And because someone who could donate, did, he is receiving blood as we speak. His Hct went from 23 on Tuesday to 19 on Thursday, so you see we have a major problem. 33 would be considered the bottom end of normal, so we are SUBSTANTIALLY below that. I'm gonna run back up there now, and try to explain again why he is there. But he knows he feels bad, that's for sure! Thanks, Vitalady, Inc. T www.vitalady.com If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com Re: donating blood , I am so glad you understood that I meant what I said in kindness, only because I have seen firsthand what AD does to the patient and to the family. I woke up about 2am and got to worrying that you might not have understood what I was trying to say. I have memories of my grandmother, I would rather not have. Though I also, have some funny ones, because some of the conversations & things she did & said were funny as her memory went. But I would have preferred to never to have seen that. It was very hard in the early stages when she knew she was forgetting things and that it was out of her control. Not helped by her daughter's total denial of the situation. If I was there and my grandmother asked me the same question 4+ times, I'd just keep answering it. Because I knew she'd already forgot she'd ask me. But my aunt in her total denial, would yell at her mother that she already asked me that 3 times and to stop asking me. The look on my grandmother's face broke my heart. I couldn't deal with my aunt about it and asked my dad to try. But he never had much success either. Sorry I am rambling and this does bring back a lot of memories. You do have my prayers: for wisdom and strength that you will know what to do and that you will be able to handle this situation. That Don will be a comfort and a support, that he will know that sometimes he can't do anything for you but let you vent. That your dad will be kept as comfortable as possible, that he will have acceptance and understanding as much as possible in the circumstances. May God fill your heart with the good memories of your father. Always come here & vent if you need to. I know you have a lot of loving support in this group. {{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}} PatC/FL > I understand totally what you're saying and I take it as a kindness. > > As the doc stood there and told me that basically, they don't plan to fix it, only dx it, I felt helpless, BUT realizing what he may be spared.... Very mixed feelings. > > The doc said that if he is blocked (which is apparent), they will not subject a man that age to a bypass. Probably, they would not subject him to angiogram. Now, THAT was a bucket of cold water. It was almost as if he was not in thee room as she told me this. He did not question it or ask for clarification in any way. It's much as they said about my mom. To try to fix her heart would have been, in essence, an execution, so they let it take its course (only a few days). But still, to have someone who you THINK has the power to do anything stand there & tell you they can't, well, it's very frightening. > > So, we will subject him to many tests and ultimately, there will be a dx, but no treatment, as best as I can tell, though they will use some drugs to minimize his angina attacks. > > Even so, there is that tiny part of me that hopes the Lord will be ever more gracious and take him quickly, rather than allowing him to see himself die by the inch. > > Thank you for your prayer that he will be spared any unbearable pain. > > Tomorrow, I must confront him head on & take over his finances (before he gives it all away), and somehow, we must take the car. I'm not sure I'm up to that, setting up the caregiving he doesn't want and then sticking him in the hospital all day for blood transfusion. Wow. > > > Thanks, > > > Vitalady, Inc. T > www.vitalady.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 you don't sound harsh at all. You sound like a loving and caring daughter who is scared and hurting. You and your father are in my thoughts and prayers. What a time you're in for - wish I could help out somehow. :-( Hugs, rose Message: 21 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 22:00:35 -0800 Subject: Re: Re: donating blood I understand totally what you're saying and I take it as a kindness. As the doc stood there and told me that basically, they don't plan to fix it, only dx it, I felt helpless, BUT realizing what he may be spared.... Very mixed feelings. The doc said that if he is blocked (which is apparent), they will not subject a man that age to a bypass. Probably, they would not subject him to angiogram. Now, THAT was a bucket of cold water. It was almost as if he was not in thee room as she told me this. He did not question it or ask for clarification in any way. It's much as they said about my mom. To try to fix her heart would have been, in essence, an execution, so they let it take its course (only a few days). But still, to have someone who you THINK has the power to do anything stand there & tell you they can't, well, it's very frightening. So, we will subject him to many tests and ultimately, there will be a dx, but no treatment, as best as I can tell, though they will use some drugs to minimize his angina attacks. Even so, there is that tiny part of me that hopes the Lord will be ever more gracious and take him quickly, rather than allowing him to see himself die by the inch. Thank you for your prayer that he will be spared any unbearable pain. Tomorrow, I must confront him head on & take over his finances (before he gives it all away), and somehow, we must take the car. I'm not sure I'm up to that, setting up the caregiving he doesn't want and then sticking him in the hospital all day for blood transfusion. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 My doctor said no. No to blood donation and no to plasma donation. Just can't re-establish good levels if you do. levels of Iron and Protien. *sigh* Kathy (aka Spooki) *Until you love a poodle, a part of your soul remains unawakened.* www.geocities.com/fyrbyrd1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 Oh Mom.....i sure hope things start looking better for you and your Dad. You are right though about the blood donation. My doc said the exact same thing. Not good for us. Kathy (aka Spooki) *Until you love a poodle, a part of your soul remains unawakened.* www.geocities.com/fyrbyrd1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 In a message dated 03/23/2003 9:53:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, terry@... writes: > Well, I guess I'm not meant to donate ANYTHING!! My platelets are so low > that I don't have enough left for ME, let alone have enough to share with > someone else. Hey sis, If it makes you feel any better, I am in the same boat.. low hemoglobin, low hematocrit, low iron and low platelets.. and increased bleeding times.. Hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 > My doctor said no. No to blood donation and no to plasma donation. Just can't re-establish good levels if you do. levels of Iron and Protien. *sigh*<<< My doctor said no to red blood and plasma, too, but said that platelet donations would be okay. Because the loss of red blood cells and plasma is extremely minimal when they harvest the platelets, there is no impact on the iron and protein. So you might want to ask about platelet donation if you are interested. Sheri In Sunny Florida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 Thanks, Sheri. Pam Re: Donating Blood > My doctor said no. No to blood donation and no to plasma donation. Just can't re-establish good levels if you do. levels of Iron and Protien. *sigh*<<< My doctor said no to red blood and plasma, too, but said that platelet donations would be okay. Because the loss of red blood cells and plasma is extremely minimal when they harvest the platelets, there is no impact on the iron and protein. So you might want to ask about platelet donation if you are interested. Sheri In Sunny Florida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 He said no to plasma too? Someone had told me to look into that since I can't donate whole blood now. I didn't realize that there would be a problem with that too. Not that I can donate anything at this point, my blood sucks. lol. ------------------------------------------------ Terry Mayers 5DollarHosting.com® http://www.5dollarhosting.com (877)-838-HOST / .... because it shouldn't cost a fortune to make a fortune! ® Re: Donating Blood My doctor said no. No to blood donation and no to plasma donation. Just can't re-establish good levels if you do. levels of Iron and Protien. *sigh* Kathy (aka Spooki) *Until you love a poodle, a part of your soul remains unawakened.* www.geocities.com/fyrbyrd1 To Subscribe to 's monthly FREE Newsletter send an email to GBCookbook-subscribe@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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