Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Please tell me these are unusual and isolated cases ~~~~~ can we hear from the Ablation members who were completely under and didn't feel pain. Ellen ********************* -- In AFIBsupport , anderson1135@c... wrote: I can relate with being partially awake during ablation and feeling the pain of the burning of the heart!!! (nip) SMAIndy age 51 ********************** Marsha previously wrote: (snip) I am scared of the procedure now also because several times during the procedure I came out of the anesthesia enough to feel pain and I also was at least partially awake when they shoved a tube in my nose. (snip) Marsha - age 58 ********************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 > (snip) I am scared of the procedure now also because several times > during the procedure I came out of the anesthesia enough to feel pain > and I also was at least partially awake when they shoved a tube in my > nose. (snip) Marsha - age 58 > ********************** > Ella: I had my ablation with Dr. Natale at Marin General and the last thing I remember is them trying to feed the temperature probe down my esophageus which was difficult as I have a somewhat deviated septum, but it was ok as I was far enough gone that I didn't care. The next thing I remember is being awake in the recovery room with Dr. Natale telling my wife that all went well. They do stock enough drugs to get one through the procedure. You have to talk to them about what you want. Years ago I had a flutter ablation and was awake for part of that, unfortunately. When I told the Natale staff about that I believe they became very attentive to my level of conciousness in his procedure. Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 > (snip) I am scared of the procedure now also because several times > during the procedure I came out of the anesthesia enough to feel pain > and I also was at least partially awake when they shoved a tube in my > nose. (snip) Marsha - age 58 > ********************** > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 I think anesthesia is an art and since each physical body is different, the different anesthesias react differently, but an anesthesiologist should be on hand to determine the level of unconsiousness and give a little more juice at signs of being awake. They don't want to give too much, however, since anesthesia can cause it's own set of problems.... a very fine line... Stef " Ellen G. " failteg@...> wrote: Please tell me these are unusual and isolated cases ~~~~~ can we hear from the Ablation members who were completely under and didn't feel pain. Ellen ********************* -- In AFIBsupport , anderson1135@c... wrote: I can relate with being partially awake during ablation and feeling the pain of the burning of the heart!!! (nip) SMAIndy age 51 ********************** Marsha previously wrote: (snip) I am scared of the procedure now also because several times during the procedure I came out of the anesthesia enough to feel pain and I also was at least partially awake when they shoved a tube in my nose. (snip) Marsha - age 58 ********************** Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com List owner: AFIBsupport-owner For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- The EP who did me (and 5000 others each year - with his partner) told me that it is important for the patient to be awake during ablations. Because, according to him, they need to know whether the person is responding in certain fashions. Versaid and Fentanyl were administered IV as standard practice. One is to create a twilight consciousness the other is to encourage forgetting what occurred according to the cardiac surgeons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 > > > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > 5000??? The EP who did me (and 5000 others each year - with his partner) told me that it is important for the patient to be awake during ablations. > > Because, according to him, they need to know whether the person is responding in certain fashions. > > Versaid and Fentanyl were administered IV as standard practice. > > One is to create a twilight consciousness > > the other is to encourage forgetting what occurred > > according to the cardiac surgeons. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > 5000??? > > The EP who did me (and 5000 others each year - with his partner) told > me that it is important for the patient to be awake during ablations. > > > > Because, according to him, they need to know whether the person is > responding in certain fashions. > > > > Versaid and Fentanyl were administered IV as standard practice. > > > > One is to create a twilight consciousness > > > > the other is to encourage forgetting what occurred > > > > according to the cardiac surgeons. I was told that when one loses conciousness that their breathing gets slower and deeper and the docs don't want that during an ablation so they try to keep you right on the edge. I had both of the above. Fentanyl is for pain and Versed is for pain and short term memory, I think but I can't remember for sure. Hmmm! Maybe if affects long term memory as well. (I'd sign my name if I could remember it.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 > > Earl, > You expressed surprise at a couple of EPs doing 5,000 per year. > > I was so stunned at that #, that I keep the brochure under my computer. > > It is hard to believe, but it is in print. Let's do the math here. 2 EP's with 5000 ablations/year between them is 2,500 each per year. There are approximately 250 working days per year which means that each of them do 10 ablations per working day. Each ablation takes about 3 hours for most docs so there aren't enough hours in the day for them to do that many. Where is this ablation factory? Dr. Natale says he can do 3 per day and may do 400+ per year, and I believe he's one of the busier EP's around. What am I missing here? Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 > > I read an article that quoted one of the docs at CC and he said that they do about 1000 proceduers a year there. Some maze, some mini- maze, and some ablations. I think that about 400 to 500 would be the max. I just can't see how anyone location could do 5000. Earl, > You expressed surprise at a couple of EPs doing 5,000 per year. > > I was so stunned at that #, that I keep the brochure under my computer. > > It is hard to believe, but it is in print. > > Additionally, they are being built a $33 million dollar EP operating rooms addition at the hospital where they ablate. And it's all cash, no fund raising, no debt. The new addition has 5 EP operating rooms. > > Geez. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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