Re: Free Blood Glucose Meter RE' Rita in Pa

[Guest guest]

I'm just learning about the glucose and the insulin and the hypoglycemia....

so.. the 'normal' body.. what is the glucose / sugar levels supposed to do during the overnight fast? Are they supposed to stay kinda steady or????

Just what does a high post fast level indicate? I show no other symptoms of insulin issues... but I know that it doesn't just whap you up along side of the head and start in one day... it's gonna creep up on you, right? Just like the hypo stuff doesn't hit all in one day, it takes years to get back enough for us to see it....

I know doing mini meals consistently through the day leave me more alert, less groggy...I know large meals tend to make me feel more sleepy and less motivated to be productive... In other words.. keep eating my minis and I can get a lot of work done, eat bigger meals and I'm more likely to procrastinate... be lazy....

Hmmmmm

Topper ()

On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 11:54:32 -0800 (PST) Rita STAFFORD-BONES writes:

Hi Topper,

The fasting blood work from over night tells what your body is doing with the food you put in your body the day before, and lets them know how your body is processing the glucose.

I'm Type 2 due to thyroid levels, being messed up fopr 3 years. Mornings are my worst time of day with my sugars because I can only control what I do all day, I can't control my body while I'm sleeping. If you figure out how to do that ONE, let me know(LOL).

My levels this morning were 92, after lunch by the protein I ate, I have them down to 79. This allows me to have no fatigue, no brain fog(I have Fibro), no memerory loss. It allows me to feel like me.

Sending Love Rita in Pa

[Guest guest]

I don't know the answer to your specific question off the top of my head. I am a Type II diabetic in remission since my gastric bypass. I have what is known as "dawn phenomenon" and my blood sugar is usually in the normal range until around 2-4 a.m. and then it creeps up. It did this pre-op as well. I rarely have an a.m. fasting BS under 100. My A1c is running at 6.0 on my last set of labs so just 0.1 above the totally normal range. I wonder if any of the dawn BS creeping up is related to the adrenals? I know my a.m. adrenal test were very good and I fell just below range by mid-day.

Sandy

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-- Re: Free Blood Glucose Meter RE' Rita in Pa

I'm just learning about the glucose and the insulin and the hypoglycemia....

so.. the 'normal' body.. what is the glucose / sugar levels supposed to do during the overnight fast? Are they supposed to stay kinda steady or????

Just what does a high post fast level indicate? I show no other symptoms of insulin issues... but I know that it doesn't just whap you up along side of the head and start in one day... it's gonna creep up on you, right? Just like the hypo stuff doesn't hit all in one day, it takes years to get back enough for us to see it....

I know doing mini meals consistently through the day leave me more alert, less groggy...I know large meals tend to make me feel more sleepy and less motivated to be productive... In other words.. keep eating my minis and I can get a lot of work done, eat bigger meals and I'm more likely to procrastinate... be lazy....

Hmmmmm

Topper ()

On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 11:54:32 -0800 (PST) Rita STAFFORD-BONES writes:

Hi Topper,

The fasting blood work from over night tells what your body is doing with the food you put in your body the day before, and lets them know how your body is processing the glucose.

I'm Type 2 due to thyroid levels, being messed up fopr 3 years. Mornings are my worst time of day with my sugars because I can only control what I do all day, I can't control my body while I'm sleeping. If you figure out how to do that ONE, let me know(LOL).

My levels this morning were 92, after lunch by the protein I ate, I have them down to 79. This allows me to have no fatigue, no brain fog(I have Fibro), no memerory loss. It allows me to feel like me.

Sending Love Rita in Pa

[Guest guest]

Now that is an interesting thought.... The adrenals dump hormone into our blood stream to get us going, and keep us going in the morning until we can eat.. that's why eating is so important in the morning when you are working on recovering from adrenal fatigue.

I wake really well now, when I have enough sleep at night time wise... I take my morning dose and eat right after it's dissolved...

If your theory is on the right track wouldn't it be a good thing that that happens, bringing up energy levels, and it would have to be coming form fat that is getting converted, right?

I might be wrong.. does anyone know..?

If the body is out of starvation mode.. then it would feel free to convert fat in the am to give energy that first hour until it can get food into it....

Is that why mornings are easier to get going ?

Hmmmm

Topper ()

On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:40:03 -0700 " and Steve" writes:

I don't know the answer to your specific question off the top of my head. I am a Type II diabetic in remission since my gastric bypass. I have what is known as "dawn phenomenon" and my blood sugar is usually in the normal range until around 2-4 a.m. and then it creeps up. It did this pre-op as well. I rarely have an a.m. fasting BS under 100. My A1c is running at 6.0 on my last set of labs so just 0.1 above the totally normal range. I wonder if any of the dawn BS creeping up is related to the adrenals? I know my a.m. adrenal test were very good and I fell just below range by mid-day.

Sandy

[Guest guest]

Hi Topper, I may be able to help a bit here. I have recently joined

the Thyroid List but its sort of back to front ! I have Hypoglycemia &

learnt self management of that, and now find that a Thyroid can cause

all that to happen. Anyway ... I had a 5 hour Glucose Tolerence Test

done and had blood sugar and Insulin tested every hour after the

glucose drink.

To cut story short - its very important to know your fasting INSULIN

as well as your fasting blood sugar. And then to chart the insulin as

it peaks and then dips.

I suspect that you may find an Insulin surge after you eat. Insulin =

hunger. It can also diagnose Insulin Resistance or Pre Diabetes ( if

the numbers are too high). The erratic Insulin chart often happens

years before the high blood sugar readings.

The best way to control the Insulin surge is to eat mini meals often,

balance protein / carbs 50 / 50, etc. The book that helped me the most

was 'The Insulin Resistance Diet "

For eg - my Insulin fasting was 12 , went to 98 after the dink, then 2

hours later dropped to 6 - before rising to fasting levels again. An

early warning that my pancreas is not working properly.

Since that dx I have followed the Diet principles and have lost weight

as well. But now think I also have Thyroid issues and need a Dr that

doesn't just look at numbers.

Aussie Jane

>

> I'm just learning about the glucose and the insulin and the

> hypoglycemia....

>

> so.. the 'normal' body.. what is the glucose / sugar levels supposed to

> do during the overnight fast? Are they supposed to stay kinda steady

> or????

>

> Just what does a high post fast level indicate? I show no other symptoms

> of insulin issues... but I know that it doesn't just whap you up along

> side of the head and start in one day... it's gonna creep up on you,

> right? Just like the hypo stuff doesn't hit all in one day, it takes

> years to get back enough for us to see it....

[Guest guest]

Hi Topper, I may be able to help a bit here. I have recently joined

the Thyroid List but its sort of back to front ! I have Hypoglycemia &

learnt self management of that, and now find that a Thyroid can cause

all that to happen. Anyway ... I had a 5 hour Glucose Tolerence Test

done and had blood sugar and Insulin tested every hour after the

glucose drink.

To cut story short - its very important to know your fasting INSULIN

as well as your fasting blood sugar. And then to chart the insulin as

it peaks and then dips.

I suspect that you may find an Insulin surge after you eat. Insulin =

hunger. It can also diagnose Insulin Resistance or Pre Diabetes ( if

the numbers are too high). The erratic Insulin chart often happens

years before the high blood sugar readings.

The best way to control the Insulin surge is to eat mini meals often,

balance protein / carbs 50 / 50, etc. The book that helped me the most

was 'The Insulin Resistance Diet "

For eg - my Insulin fasting was 12 , went to 98 after the dink, then 2

hours later dropped to 6 - before rising to fasting levels again. An

early warning that my pancreas is not working properly.

Since that dx I have followed the Diet principles and have lost weight

as well. But now think I also have Thyroid issues and need a Dr that

doesn't just look at numbers.

Aussie Jane

>

> I'm just learning about the glucose and the insulin and the

> hypoglycemia....

>

> so.. the 'normal' body.. what is the glucose / sugar levels supposed to

> do during the overnight fast? Are they supposed to stay kinda steady

> or????

>

> Just what does a high post fast level indicate? I show no other symptoms

> of insulin issues... but I know that it doesn't just whap you up along

> side of the head and start in one day... it's gonna creep up on you,

> right? Just like the hypo stuff doesn't hit all in one day, it takes

> years to get back enough for us to see it....

[Guest guest]

Mini meals have worked wonders for me... if I keep to schedule.. eating every 2 1/2 to 3 hours I'm fine.. I don't feel hungry, I just have my food and get back to what I'm doing... if I start skipping.. I get too hungry, and then eat too much.. then I'm uncomfortable after, don't want to eat again on time.. and it snowballs in the wrong direction...

I try to set up my meals for two to three days at a time.. so that I can just get up from working, grab a meal, on time, eat and get back to work.. no way would I be consistent if I had to prep it every time I eat...

Interesting though... Please feel free to jump in and teach us more.... It think it will benefit many of us...

Topper ()

On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 00:12:03 -0000 "aussi_jane" writes:

Hi Topper, I may be able to help a bit here. I have recently joinedthe Thyroid List but its sort of back to front ! I have Hypoglycemia & learnt self management of that, and now find that a Thyroid can causeall that to happen. Anyway ... I had a 5 hour Glucose Tolerence Testdone and had blood sugar and Insulin tested every hour after theglucose drink.To cut story short - its very important to know your fasting INSULINas well as your fasting blood sugar. And then to chart the insulin asit peaks and then dips.I suspect that you may find an Insulin surge after you eat. Insulin =hunger. It can also diagnose Insulin Resistance or Pre Diabetes ( ifthe numbers are too high). The erratic Insulin chart often happensyears before the high blood sugar readings.The best way to control the Insulin surge is to eat mini meals often,balance protein / carbs 50 / 50, etc. The book that helped me the mostwas 'The Insulin Resistance Diet"For eg - my Insulin fasting was 12 , went to 98 after the dink, then 2hours later dropped to 6 - before rising to fasting levels again. Anearly warning that my pancreas is not working properly.Since that dx I have followed the Diet principles and have lost weightas well. But now think I also have Thyroid issues and need a Dr thatdoesn't just look at numbers.Aussie Jane

[Guest guest]

Hi Topper, What you are describing is the perfect way for someone

diagnosed with Insulin Resistance - to eat. The hunger you get when

you eat 'wrong' is an actual Insulin surge. Remember - Insulin =

hunger. Insulin is also the hormone that tells your body to store fat

so you can see if Insulin is out of control ( graphing erratically &

too high )you are in a lose, lose situation - hence the hunger and

weight gains.

Over a period of years your pancreas - after working so hard for so

long - will start to not work at all...... diabetes.

The book explains it better than me - but when you said how mini meals

are working so well for you I felt that you may be a fellow IR ! And

perhaps it is common with Thyroid sufferers ???

Now - what comes first ! Insulin Resistance or the malfunctioning

Thyroid.

Let you decide that one ! Hope it helps. Not sure if I can post the

book but its available on amazon if you do a search. The idea is to

eat a balanced protein / carb mini meal before you get hungry. It

switches off the Insulin surge & dip ...... Makes the pancreas work

nice and slow and last a lifetime....

A fasting blood sugar & blood insulin test will diagnose Insulin

Resistance. If you are able - post the numbers.I can see your blood

sugar is already slightly high. It would be intersting to see what

your Insulin levels are like as well. At this stage the damage to the

pancreas can be slowed and halted.

Aussie Jane

>

> Mini meals have worked wonders for me... if I keep to schedule.. eating

> every 2 1/2 to 3 hours I'm fine.. I don't feel hungry, I just have my

> food and get back to what I'm doing... if I start skipping.. I get too

> hungry, and then eat too much.. then I'm uncomfortable after, don't

want

> to eat again on time.. and it snowballs in the wrong direction...

>

> I try to set up my meals for two to three days at a time.. so that I can

> just get up from working, grab a meal, on time, eat and get back to

> work.. no way would I be consistent if I had to prep it every time I

> eat...

>

> Interesting though... Please feel free to jump in and teach us more....

> It think it will benefit many of us...

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 00:12:03 -0000 " aussi_jane "

> writes:

> Hi Topper, I may be able to help a bit here. I have recently joined

> the Thyroid List but its sort of back to front ! I have Hypoglycemia &

> learnt self management of that, and now find that a Thyroid can cause

> all that to happen. Anyway ... I had a 5 hour Glucose Tolerence Test

> done and had blood sugar and Insulin tested every hour after the

> glucose drink.

>

> To cut story short - its very important to know your fasting INSULIN

> as well as your fasting blood sugar. And then to chart the insulin as

> it peaks and then dips.

>

> I suspect that you may find an Insulin surge after you eat. Insulin =

> hunger. It can also diagnose Insulin Resistance or Pre Diabetes ( if

> the numbers are too high). The erratic Insulin chart often happens

> years before the high blood sugar readings.

>

> The best way to control the Insulin surge is to eat mini meals often,

> balance protein / carbs 50 / 50, etc. The book that helped me the most

> was 'The Insulin Resistance Diet "

>

> For eg - my Insulin fasting was 12 , went to 98 after the dink, then 2

> hours later dropped to 6 - before rising to fasting levels again. An

> early warning that my pancreas is not working properly.

>

> Since that dx I have followed the Diet principles and have lost weight

> as well. But now think I also have Thyroid issues and need a Dr that

> doesn't just look at numbers.

>

> Aussie Jane

>

[Guest guest]

I flunked a carb addicts test about ten years ago.. that's gotten better in the last three years, two years.... since starting mini meals and getting my hormones up...

Before I got nuked I was hyper.. they figure that started when I hit puberty.. so I have no idea what 'normal' is... as a hyper person I could eat anything... I was a big person... heavy boned and tall, that was attributed to my being hyper too, having my first period before 10.... After I got nuked.... I had trouble not only from having no gland anymore and having trouble taking thyroid but I had never learned to eat normal portions... as a hyper I ate a lot.. the year that I was in storm my caloric intake was up to 30,000 a day.. that had to have wrecked havoc on my poor pancreas, processing that much food everyday for soo long!

As my hypo got worse and worse I cut back on food.. just like most everyone that is hypo and gaining... before I started mini meals I would only eat once or twice a day and just maintained my weight... then with the mini meals I was actually eating more each day than before.. but broken up.. and that's when the weight loss started...

So... my insulin.. we are theorizing.. was off and that may have contributed, along with hypo metabolism and pain levels that cut my activity levels, to the weight gain, 200 pounds after RAI, and the mini meals are helping my body to recover from that?

Interesting....

See? learn new stuff every day around here!!!!

Topper ()

On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 01:09:27 -0000 "aussi_jane" writes:

Hi Topper, What you are describing is the perfect way for someonediagnosed with Insulin Resistance - to eat. The hunger you get whenyou eat 'wrong' is an actual Insulin surge. Remember - Insulin =hunger. Insulin is also the hormone that tells your body to store fatso you can see if Insulin is out of control ( graphing erratically & too high )you are in a lose, lose situation - hence the hunger andweight gains.Over a period of years your pancreas - after working so hard for solong - will start to not work at all...... diabetes.The book explains it better than me - but when you said how mini mealsare working so well for you I felt that you may be a fellow IR ! Andperhaps it is common with Thyroid sufferers ???Now - what comes first ! Insulin Resistance or the malfunctioningThyroid.Let you decide that one ! Hope it helps. Not sure if I can post thebook but its available on amazon if you do a search. The idea is toeat a balanced protein / carb mini meal before you get hungry. Itswitches off the Insulin surge & dip ...... Makes the pancreas worknice and slow and last a lifetime....A fasting blood sugar & blood insulin test will diagnose InsulinResistance. If you are able - post the numbers.I can see your bloodsugar is already slightly high. It would be intersting to see whatyour Insulin levels are like as well. At this stage the damage to thepancreas can be slowed and halted.Aussie Jane

[Guest guest]

And again, there is that good old cortisol kicking in there as the Manager, but this time as the blood sugar magager, coordinated with the pancreas and a million other chemical "dominos", putting it all away where it belongs. I'm thinking that, if someone is having a little higher sugar starting at the crack of dawn, that cortisol is not coming up quite the way it should TO manage it, leaving it "floating around"? Isn't that it? In hypoglycemics, it is a related thing, except that there is a TON of insulin floating around that has the blood sugar going somewhere to nowheresville, staying outside the cells. It's a little different scenario, but a very strong cousin, right? I know that I need so much other testing!

Re: Free Blood Glucose Meter RE' Rita in Pa

I'm just learning about the glucose and the insulin and the hypoglycemia....

so.. the 'normal' body.. what is the glucose / sugar levels supposed to do during the overnight fast? Are they supposed to stay kinda steady or????

Just what does a high post fast level indicate? I show no other symptoms of insulin issues... but I know that it doesn't just whap you up along side of the head and start in one day... it's gonna creep up on you, right? Just like the hypo stuff doesn't hit all in one day, it takes years to get back enough for us to see it....

I know doing mini meals consistently through the day leave me more alert, less groggy...I know large meals tend to make me feel more sleepy and less motivated to be productive... In other words.. keep eating my minis and I can get a lot of work done, eat bigger meals and I'm more likely to procrastinate... be lazy....

Hmmmmm

Topper ()

On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 11:54:32 -0800 (PST) Rita STAFFORD-BONES writes:

Hi Topper,

The fasting blood work from over night tells what your body is doing with the food you put in your body the day before, and lets them know how your body is processing the glucose.

I'm Type 2 due to thyroid levels, being messed up fopr 3 years. Mornings are my worst time of day with my sugars because I can only control what I do all day, I can't control my body while I'm sleeping. If you figure out how to do that ONE, let me know(LOL).

My levels this morning were 92, after lunch by the protein I ate, I have them down to 79. This allows me to have no fatigue, no brain fog(I have Fibro), no memerory loss. It allows me to feel like me.

Sending Love Rita in Pa