Can arthritis be Lyme Disease?

[Guest guest]

An interesting book:

http://www.lymebook.com

Also:

http://www.lymecommunity.com

[Guest guest]

I was diagnosed with lupus and then, later, another doctor told me it

might be Lyme. I had the Western Blot test done and it was borderline.

So, he started me on antibiotics. But the protocol was quite different

than Dr. Brown's. The lyme doc (a family practitioner who became a

Lyme expert after treating many Walnut farming Lyme patients in the

Ozarks, where the Lyme tic loves the Walnut trees)) would give me

various antibiotics -- but only for 4-6 weeks and then switch to

another. He included doxycicline (minocin not being good in cases of

lupus) and Zithromax, but I didn't respond to them. I finally told him

if he'd just keep me on doxy, I thought I'd respond because I had

before (I was on doxy about 4 or 5 years ago and after about 4 months,

I noticed a difference. But then, after a few more months, my doctor

retired and I couldn't get another one to prescribe doxy. I have

recently moved to AZ and can now get it in Mexico with ease so I am

starting again.)

I am really convinced that there is an underlying infection in lupus.

One drug that you are traditionally treated with is Plaquenil, which

is an antimalarial. All the literature says they don't know why it

works (they discovered that it helps accidentally). Interestingly,

doxy is also an antimalarial. I am not, of course, saying that lupus

is related to malaria -- only that I believe whatever it is, it

sometimes responds to the same drugs as malaria does.

BTW, the lyme doc I went to also believed that there were other

infectious agents causing supposedly autoimmune diseases and fms and

was familiar with Dr. Brown's work. If anyone happens to live in SW

Missouri, where I used to live, it might be worth it to you to see him

-- www.drcharlescrist.com.

Lindi

>

> An interesting book:

>

> http://www.lymebook.com

>

> Also:

>

> http://www.lymecommunity.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil, Although the Minocin will help with Borrelia burgdorferi, the causative

agent for Lyme Disease it is important that she be checked for the multiple

other CO-infections that come in with a Tick Bite. A Lyme Literate doctor would

be in order. Contact me by my personal email if you would like to talk

further regarding this situation. I am well versed in this area. Carol

Carol Fisch, Adjunct Professor Emeritus of Laboratory Science,

Researcher, Medical Laboratory Advisor for Tick Born illness testing and

education to others regarding Tick Born illness.

Well, versed in Microbiology, Immunology and Parasitology with an excellent

understanding of Cell Wall Deficient Organisms (CWD) . I give information and

learn from others every day.

We all must be all be open to learning as none of us have all the answers,

actually we are just beginning to dig deeper and have a better understanding of

the many complex issues that are effecting our health.

Each of us need to share the pieces of the puzzle we are finding; that way we

may eventually come up with the whole picture.

Eight members of my family have TBI and I am a former support group leader.

Researcher, Teacher, Advocate and Activist for those suffering from TBI. Carol

[Guest guest]

rheumatic Re: Can arthritis be Lyme Disease?

My wife was diagnosed with MCTD in July of 2006. She started on Minocin

MWF 100 mg twice a day in October. Recently I asked the doctor to do a Lyme test

and the Igenex western blot test was positive. Now I wonder what she should do

for that. We also live in Arizona in Mesa. I believe she might have gotton bit

by a tick in the Mormon Lake area in June of 2005. I would very much like to

know your experience with this problem. Sincerely, Phil

[Guest guest]

, sorry about the post I made to the chat room. I am computer

illiterate...Phil

rheumatic Re: Can arthritis be Lyme Disease?

I was diagnosed with lupus and then, later, another doctor told me it

might be Lyme. I had the Western Blot test done and it was borderline.

So, he started me on antibiotics. But the protocol was quite different

than Dr. Brown's. The lyme doc (a family practitioner who became a

Lyme expert after treating many Walnut farming Lyme patients in the

Ozarks, where the Lyme tic loves the Walnut trees)) would give me

various antibiotics -- but only for 4-6 weeks and then switch to

another. He included doxycicline (minocin not being good in cases of

lupus) and Zithromax, but I didn't respond to them. I finally told him

if he'd just keep me on doxy, I thought I'd respond because I had

before (I was on doxy about 4 or 5 years ago and after about 4 months,

I noticed a difference. But then, after a few more months, my doctor

retired and I couldn't get another one to prescribe doxy. I have

recently moved to AZ and can now get it in Mexico with ease so I am

starting again.)

I am really convinced that there is an underlying infection in lupus.

One drug that you are traditionally treated with is Plaquenil, which

is an antimalarial. All the literature says they don't know why it

works (they discovered that it helps accidentally). Interestingly,

doxy is also an antimalarial. I am not, of course, saying that lupus

is related to malaria -- only that I believe whatever it is, it

sometimes responds to the same drugs as malaria does.

BTW, the lyme doc I went to also believed that there were other

infectious agents causing supposedly autoimmune diseases and fms and

was familiar with Dr. Brown's work. If anyone happens to live in SW

Missouri, where I used to live, it might be worth it to you to see him

-- www.drcharlescrist.com.

Lindi

>

> An interesting book:

>

> http://www.lymebook.com

>

> Also:

>

> http://www.lymecommunity.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,

My daughter and granddaughter both have Lyme. If you want more info from

them, contact me privately.

jan

phillipstradling <phillipstradling@...> wrote:

rheumatic Re: Can arthritis be Lyme Disease?

My wife was diagnosed with MCTD in July of 2006. She started on Minocin MWF 100

mg twice a day in October. Recently I asked the doctor to do a Lyme test and the

Igenex western blot test was positive. Now I wonder what she should do for that.

We also live in Arizona in Mesa. I believe she might have gotton bit by a tick

in the Mormon Lake area in June of 2005. I would very much like to know your

experience with this problem. Sincerely, Phil

[Guest guest]

Phil:

My name is , and I've been diagnosed with: idiopathic thrombocytopenia

(had my spleen removed because of it), fibro, lupus, R.A., and Lyme. My

thoughts are that every diagnosis was related to the last diagnosis of Lyme. I

respond to antibiotics, but I think I need more aggressive treatment. I've

had many surgeries due to deformities over the years and wish I had been

diagnosed with Lyme much, much earlier. Good blessings to you and your wife.

The

road for these diseases is a long one.

[Guest guest]

Yes, Phil, arthritis can mimic Lyme Disease. LD mimics over 300

debilitating, chronic diseases -

" Look at this very abbreviated list of over 300 medical

conditions associated with this new spirochete scourge: ALS;

Alzheimer's disease; Parkinson's disease; MS; almost any

inflammatory or degenerative central, autonomic, and peripheral

neurological disturbance; Bell's Palsy; reflex sympathetic

dystrophy and other peripheral neuropathies; psychological and

psychiatric disturbances of all kinds, including schizophrenia;

chronic fatigue; arthritis; fibrositis; fibromyalgia; muscle

fatigue; rashes; coronary artery disease; heart failure; rhythm

disturbances; autoimmune diseases; scleroderma; irritable bowel

syndrome; Lupus; sudden deafness; eye inflammation; fetal death;

SIDS; ADD and hyperactivity; chronic pain; and much, much more. "

from November 2003 Second Opinion newsletter published by J. Rowan,

M.D.

LD can be very difficult to treat. Here is a website with the story of Sue

Massie. Her battle with LD was mentioned in the above noted newsletter.

Her entire family had Lyme Disease and they used antibiotics, herbs,

supplements, and electromagnetic frequency to put it in remission. Detoxing

the body is

very important.

Sue now counsels other LD sufferers to help them reach remission.

suemassie45@...

http://www.springboard4health.com/notebook/health_lyme_disease.html

There are several support groups where you can get more information such as

lyme-and-rife@...

Ethel

rheumatic Re: Can arthritis be Lyme Disease?

> My wife was diagnosed with MCTD in July of 2006. She started on

> Minocin MWF 100 mg twice a day in October. Recently I asked the doctor to

> do a Lyme test and the Igenex western blot test was positive. Now I wonder

> what she should do for that. We also live in Arizona in Mesa. I believe

> she might have gotton bit by a tick in the Mormon Lake area in June of

> 2005. I would very much like to know your experience with this problem.

> Sincerely, Phil

>

>

[Guest guest]

Carol , Thank you, Thank you, for your email. You are a God send. The

Western Blot test came back positive for IGM and negative for IGG. The 31 kDa

band had ++, The 39 and 41kDa bands had + , and the 83-93kDa band was

Inderminate. There is another page that talks about Microti antibody and Human

monocytic IgM and IgG. If you could shed any light on these it would be greatly

appreciated. We have our third visit with Dr. Franco January 17th. We havn't

discussed about Lyme with him since it was just diagnosed. If you know the names

of some Lyme literate doctors, that would be great. We would be grateful in case

Dr. Franco is not that well versed in it.We live in the Phoenix, Arizona area.

Re: rheumatic Re: Can arthritis be Lyme Disease?

Phil, Although the Minocin will help with Borrelia burgdorferi, the causative

agent for Lyme Disease it is important that she be checked for the multiple

other CO-infections that come in with a Tick Bite. A Lyme Literate doctor

would

be in order. Contact me by my personal email if you would like to talk

further regarding this situation. I am well versed in this area. Carol

Carol Fisch, Adjunct Professor Emeritus of Laboratory Science,

Researcher, Medical Laboratory Advisor for Tick Born illness testing and

education to others regarding Tick Born illness.

Well, versed in Microbiology, Immunology and Parasitology with an excellent

understanding of Cell Wall Deficient Organisms (CWD) . I give information and

learn from others every day.

We all must be all be open to learning as none of us have all the answers,

actually we are just beginning to dig deeper and have a better understanding

of

the many complex issues that are effecting our health.

Each of us need to share the pieces of the puzzle we are finding; that way we

may eventually come up with the whole picture.

Eight members of my family have TBI and I am a former support group leader.

Researcher, Teacher, Advocate and Activist for those suffering from TBI. Carol

[Guest guest]

Phil,

I tried emailing you before but it came back. If you want to email me

privately I could get you in contact with my daughter who has Lyme and

understands the Igenex test.

My granddaughter also has it.

jan

phillipstradling <phillipstradling@...> wrote:

Carol , Thank you, Thank you, for your email. You are a God send. The Western

Blot test came back positive for IGM and negative for IGG. The 31 kDa band had

++, The 39 and 41kDa bands had + , and the 83-93kDa band was Inderminate. There

is another page that talks about Microti antibody and Human monocytic IgM and

IgG. If you could shed any light on these it would be greatly appreciated. We

have our third visit with Dr. Franco January 17th. We havn't discussed about

Lyme with him since it was just diagnosed. If you know the names of some Lyme

literate doctors, that would be great. We would be grateful in case Dr. Franco

is not that well versed in it.We live in the Phoenix, Arizona area.

Re: rheumatic Re: Can arthritis be Lyme Disease?

Phil, Although the Minocin will help with Borrelia burgdorferi, the causative

agent for Lyme Disease it is important that she be checked for the multiple

other CO-infections that come in with a Tick Bite. A Lyme Literate doctor would

be in order. Contact me by my personal email if you would like to talk

further regarding this situation. I am well versed in this area. Carol

Carol Fisch, Adjunct Professor Emeritus of Laboratory Science,

Researcher, Medical Laboratory Advisor for Tick Born illness testing and

education to others regarding Tick Born illness.

Well, versed in Microbiology, Immunology and Parasitology with an excellent

understanding of Cell Wall Deficient Organisms (CWD) . I give information and

learn from others every day.

We all must be all be open to learning as none of us have all the answers,

actually we are just beginning to dig deeper and have a better understanding of

the many complex issues that are effecting our health.

Each of us need to share the pieces of the puzzle we are finding; that way we

may eventually come up with the whole picture.

Eight members of my family have TBI and I am a former support group leader.

Researcher, Teacher, Advocate and Activist for those suffering from TBI. Carol

[Guest guest]

Phil,

Email me privately and I can discuss these issues with you. I will be glad

to discuss Western Blots with you and explain the bands and talk with you about

other confections. I will also share my phone number with you or I can call

you as I have nation wide calling on my home phone. Carol