Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 In a message dated 9/11/06 5:01:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, GastricBypass-LOSERS writes: > A protein train is when you eat nothing but protein food, protein shakes, > and lots of water. I have a question ... is this good for you? Only protein? I thought the goal was balance with veggies and stuff. Thanks. India Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 India, This is a highly debatable topic where I don't believe you will find a definite correct answer. You have to weigh the pros and cons yourself and decide. Personally, I cannot do protein and water alone. I find I have terrible headaches if I do this. I need some carbs from veggies and fruits or I don't feel well. in Virginia 299/226/150 Lap RNY: 5/3/06 Re: Digest Number 2049 In a message dated 9/11/06 5:01:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, GastricBypass-LOSERS writes: > A protein train is when you eat nothing but protein food, protein shakes, > and lots of water. I have a question ... is this good for you? Only protein? I thought the goal was balance with veggies and stuff. Thanks. India Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Debatable how? Protein only or even " almost " protein only is not a balanced diet. That's an immutable fact. Going off a balanced diet for a short period of time is essentially not following a balanced diet. The argument could be made that it's a positive deviation though. How is that any different than what we used to do when we were heavy trying to lose weight, where we would diet and then fall off the wagon or binge for a short time? I understand that the goals of overall health and creating long term positive eating habits aren't nearly as provocative or extreme as a short term (perceived) improvement binge outside of a balanced diet. Has anyone bounced these occasional deviations of diet off a registered dietician or other medical professional? I would be surprised to hear them respond with encouragement outside of the first few weeks of post-op diet. Even my exercise physiologist has lectured me at nauseam on developing and maintaining a regular exercise schedule. Maybe there are exceptions for event training, like a marathon or something, but I've always thought even those training periods were quite substantial in length. I'd be really interested in hearing about the level of success from these sorts of short term efforts. It's been my limited experience that when I've tried to create short frames of dieting, exercise, watching less television, saving money, spending more time on a project at work, etc. I fall right back into my old habits after the time period has ended and any benefits I might had achieved are quickly muted, lost or replaced with the long term habits' results. Mike in GR > > India, > > This is a highly debatable topic where I don't believe you will find a definite correct answer. You have to weigh the pros and cons yourself and decide. Personally, I cannot do protein and water alone. I find I have terrible headaches if I do this. I need some carbs from veggies and fruits or I don't feel well. > > in Virginia > 299/226/150 > Lap RNY: 5/3/06 > > Re: Digest Number 2049 > > > In a message dated 9/11/06 5:01:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > GastricBypass-LOSERS writes: > > > A protein train is when you eat nothing but protein food, protein shakes, > > and lots of water. > > I have a question ... is this good for you? Only protein? I thought the > goal was balance with veggies and stuff. Thanks. > > India > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Mike, You've proven my point - the topic is debatable. I'm not advocating for the all protein diet/train. I agree with some of what you are saying because an all protein diet does has a negative effect on me. However, others will argue that in doing a short term protein diet, it jump starts their metabolism to use fat for energy thereby causing weight loss. Then, one is supposed to reintroduce low-levels of carbs into the diet to keep the body burning. I took a college-level nutrition class almost a year ago and this topic was highly debated by those who advocated for either. But, for me to research this and respond with both arguments is not something I care to do. I was simply letting India know that it is a personal decision to do the protein train; one that, I believe, should not be judged by others because we are here to support one another. in Virginia 299/226/150 Lap RNY: 5/3/06 Re: Digest Number 2049 > > > In a message dated 9/11/06 5:01:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > GastricBypass-LOSERS writes: > > > A protein train is when you eat nothing but protein food, protein shakes, > > and lots of water. > > I have a question ... is this good for you? Only protein? I thought the > goal was balance with veggies and stuff. Thanks. > > India > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 do you think they get this idea from the show Biggest Loser..........where they had people losing like 15-20 a week...........pushing them to the point of total exhaustion and no carb weeks so they would drop the weight like that.............I loved the show but wondered how they did the drops a Mike wrote: Debatable how? Protein only or even " almost " protein only is not a balanced diet. That's an immutable fact. Going off a balanced diet for a short period of time is essentially not following a balanced diet. The argument could be made that it's a positive deviation though. How is that any different than what we used to do when we were heavy trying to lose weight, where we would diet and then fall off the wagon or binge for a short time? I understand that the goals of overall health and creating long term positive eating habits aren't nearly as provocative or extreme as a short term (perceived) improvement binge outside of a balanced diet. Has anyone bounced these occasional deviations of diet off a registered dietician or other medical professional? I would be surprised to hear them respond with encouragement outside of the first few weeks of post-op diet. Even my exercise physiologist has lectured me at nauseam on developing and maintaining a regular exercise schedule. Maybe there are exceptions for event training, like a marathon or something, but I've always thought even those training periods were quite substantial in length. I'd be really interested in hearing about the level of success from these sorts of short term efforts. It's been my limited experience that when I've tried to create short frames of dieting, exercise, watching less television, saving money, spending more time on a project at work, etc. I fall right back into my old habits after the time period has ended and any benefits I might had achieved are quickly muted, lost or replaced with the long term habits' results. Mike in GR > > India, > > This is a highly debatable topic where I don't believe you will find a definite correct answer. You have to weigh the pros and cons yourself and decide. Personally, I cannot do protein and water alone. I find I have terrible headaches if I do this. I need some carbs from veggies and fruits or I don't feel well. > > in Virginia > 299/226/150 > Lap RNY: 5/3/06 > > Re: Digest Number 2049 > > > In a message dated 9/11/06 5:01:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > GastricBypass-LOSERS writes: > > > A protein train is when you eat nothing but protein food, protein shakes, > > and lots of water. > > I have a question ... is this good for you? Only protein? I thought the > goal was balance with veggies and stuff. Thanks. > > India > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 , I think we're talking about different topics. It sounds like what you're talking about is an introductory period to a long term diet not multiple introductory periods pock market with starting and stopping certain parts of a balanced diet. What you're describing sounds a lot like what I went through with WLS when I was ate entirely protein for the first few weeks (not one week) after surgery. After that I was told to re-introduce carbs (in the form of whole grains), fruits, veggies, etc. What I said was not debatable was the act of REPEATED short term diet changes. Are you saying that there are those that believe that changing their diet ever month or so for a short period of time would have the effect of jump starting anything only to jump start again a month later and so on and so on? This isn't an Atkins or a South Beach's induction phase working towards Ketosis (a stage in metabolism occurring when the liver has been depleted of stored glycogen and switches to a chronic fasting mode during long periods of starvation). This isn't a long period. It is a short period. It is yo-yo dieting. I agree that " trains " are a personal decision. I don't intend to judge others as good/bad people or not support them in successful weight loss but I believe it is very fair to question methods and advice. I don't really care what long term diet people settle on either. Not only are most surgeon's/doctor's recommendation for a diet different but all people's dietary needs are different. It's not the contents of the diet I'm concerned about. It's the repeated, short term changes to it. I have not seen any recommendation to re-introduce anything slowly in a train only to break from diet/habits every few weeks then fall back into them at the end and then repeat. Are you saying that repeated, short term changes to diet and exercise is a debatable topic? Mike in GR > > > > India, > > > > This is a highly debatable topic where I don't believe you will > find a definite correct answer. You have to weigh the pros and cons > yourself and decide. Personally, I cannot do protein and water > alone. I find I have terrible headaches if I do this. I need some > carbs from veggies and fruits or I don't feel well. > > > > in Virginia > > 299/226/150 > > Lap RNY: 5/3/06 > > > > Re: Digest Number 2049 > > > > > > In a message dated 9/11/06 5:01:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > GastricBypass-LOSERS writes: > > > > > A protein train is when you eat nothing but protein food, > protein shakes, > > > and lots of water. > > > > I have a question ... is this good for you? Only protein? I > thought the > > goal was balance with veggies and stuff. Thanks. > > > > India > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Yikes I don't think so. This doesn't appear to me to be nearly that extreme or long term. It's a cool way to set a goal and achieve it. They're just not a long term goals with long term benefits. I'd rather see a TV show where people lose weight slowly over time and keep it off. But that would be boring now wouldn't it? There in lies the excitement of this idea. Mike in GR > > > > India, > > > > This is a highly debatable topic where I don't believe you will > find a definite correct answer. You have to weigh the pros and cons > yourself and decide. Personally, I cannot do protein and water > alone. I find I have terrible headaches if I do this. I need some > carbs from veggies and fruits or I don't feel well. > > > > in Virginia > > 299/226/150 > > Lap RNY: 5/3/06 > > > > Re: Digest Number 2049 > > > > > > In a message dated 9/11/06 5:01:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > GastricBypass-LOSERS writes: > > > > > A protein train is when you eat nothing but protein food, > protein shakes, > > > and lots of water. > > > > I have a question ... is this good for you? Only protein? I > thought the > > goal was balance with veggies and stuff. Thanks. > > > > India > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 If you lived on that farm, didnt have to work, didnt have to take care of kids or anybody else, had a trainer, had a chef, and everything was done for you so all you had to do was work out 25 hours a day, you would drop 20 pounds a week to! Mike T --------- Re: Digest Number 2049 > > > > > > In a message dated 9/11/06 5:01:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > GastricBypass-LOSERS writes: > > > > > A protein train is when you eat nothing but protein food, > protein shakes, > > > and lots of water. > > > > I have a question ... is this good for you? Only protein? I > thought the > > goal was balance with veggies and stuff. Thanks. > > > > India > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Mike, I couldn't agree with you more. I thought the point of the surgery was to give us a " honeymoon " period to lose the needed weight while we made the required changes in our eating and exercise patterns of the past. The goal is definately to get a balanced diet (balance calorically and nutritionally). The research shows unequivocally that high protein diets DO NOT work in the long term--basically every study shows that long term-ie a year or more-high protein diets are NO MORE effective than weight watchers, low fat diets etc in weight loss. The ADA, AHA and all major medical and nutrition groups do not advocate for high protein, low carb diets both because they don't work and because of their potential effect on long term lipid levels and the stress they put on the kidneys, not to mention the lack of vitamins and minerals when one cuts out fruits and vegs. And BTW, as I tell all my patients, a vitamin is a " suplement " not a " substitute " for healthy foods-absorption is totally different. I also agree that binge/fad dieting never worked before and it won't work any better now. Dieting failed for a reason-it implies a lack of permanent change. I totally believe that a healthy balanced diet, with 5-9 servings of fruit and vegs/day (when pouch size tolerates it) should be the goal. Of course limiting refined carbs would be in everyones best interest. Helana 269/135 RNY 1/4/05 -- In GastricBypass-LOSERS , " R.D. Abernathy " wrote: > > Mike, > > You've proven my point - the topic is debatable. I'm not advocating for the all protein diet/train. I agree with some of what you are saying because an all protein diet does has a negative effect on me. However, others will argue that in doing a short term protein diet, it jump starts their metabolism to use fat for energy thereby causing weight loss. Then, one is supposed to reintroduce low-levels of carbs into the diet to keep the body burning. I took a college- level nutrition class almost a year ago and this topic was highly debated by those who advocated for either. But, for me to research this and respond with both arguments is not something I care to do. I was simply letting India know that it is a personal decision to do the protein train; one that, I believe, should not be judged by others because we are here to support one another. > > in Virginia > 299/226/150 > Lap RNY: 5/3/06 > > Re: Digest Number 2049 > > > > > > In a message dated 9/11/06 5:01:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > GastricBypass-LOSERS writes: > > > > > A protein train is when you eat nothing but protein food, > protein shakes, > > > and lots of water. > > > > I have a question ... is this good for you? Only protein? I > thought the > > goal was balance with veggies and stuff. Thanks. > > > > India > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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