Re: when to start ALA; after DMSA

[Guest guest]

If you cannot go beyond 3 days of DMSA without getting wiped out, or

increase the dose beyond 15 mg, you are to my mind too toxic to add

ALA. Some need to chelate for much longer than 3 months before

adding ALA. i would not go by any set time period (because you've

been chelating for 3 months), you must go by what your body is

indicating to you and I would keep doing what you are doing until you

are able to tolerate the chelating round of DMSA better, which will

mean you are less toxic. Unless the DMSA itself is the problem, it

just tells me it's the mercury and you would be wise to keep going as

you are for a longer time. But i'm no professional and I can't

really judge what is best, it's just my opinion for what it's worth.

Are you taking antioxidants to aid your body during chelation?

Also, why is your doctor against DMPS? It is actually often more

tolerated than DMSA. Perhaps he's confusing this with IV DMPS and

not the oral DMPS that is used every 6 - 8 hours.

> I wanted to confirm regarding timing of starting

> ALA after initially starting DMSA. I have been

> chelating with DMSA for about 2 months; now up to

> 15mg every 4 hours still on a 3 day on, 3-5 day

> off schedule. I am still getting occasional

> headaches about an hour after a dose. I have not

> been able to go longer than 3 days as it really

> wipes me out. I also have progressive multiple

> sclerosis which is probably very related to the

> very high mercury levels found in blood and urine.

> My doc wanted me to stay on DMSA and was not in

> favor of moving to DMPS as suggested on the lists.

>

>

>

> I wanted to confirm that I should start low dose

> ALA about 3 months after my initial starting of

> DMSA. I have never been able to tolerate ALA in

> the past.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you cannot go beyond 3 days of DMSA without getting wiped out, or

increase the dose beyond 15 mg, you are to my mind too toxic to add

ALA. Some need to chelate for much longer than 3 months before

adding ALA. i would not go by any set time period (because you've

been chelating for 3 months), you must go by what your body is

indicating to you and I would keep doing what you are doing until you

are able to tolerate the chelating round of DMSA better, which will

mean you are less toxic. Unless the DMSA itself is the problem, it

just tells me it's the mercury and you would be wise to keep going as

you are for a longer time. But i'm no professional and I can't

really judge what is best, it's just my opinion for what it's worth.

Are you taking antioxidants to aid your body during chelation?

Also, why is your doctor against DMPS? It is actually often more

tolerated than DMSA. Perhaps he's confusing this with IV DMPS and

not the oral DMPS that is used every 6 - 8 hours.

> I wanted to confirm regarding timing of starting

> ALA after initially starting DMSA. I have been

> chelating with DMSA for about 2 months; now up to

> 15mg every 4 hours still on a 3 day on, 3-5 day

> off schedule. I am still getting occasional

> headaches about an hour after a dose. I have not

> been able to go longer than 3 days as it really

> wipes me out. I also have progressive multiple

> sclerosis which is probably very related to the

> very high mercury levels found in blood and urine.

> My doc wanted me to stay on DMSA and was not in

> favor of moving to DMPS as suggested on the lists.

>

>

>

> I wanted to confirm that I should start low dose

> ALA about 3 months after my initial starting of

> DMSA. I have never been able to tolerate ALA in

> the past.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you cannot go beyond 3 days of DMSA without getting wiped out, or

increase the dose beyond 15 mg, you are to my mind too toxic to add

ALA. Some need to chelate for much longer than 3 months before

adding ALA. i would not go by any set time period (because you've

been chelating for 3 months), you must go by what your body is

indicating to you and I would keep doing what you are doing until you

are able to tolerate the chelating round of DMSA better, which will

mean you are less toxic. Unless the DMSA itself is the problem, it

just tells me it's the mercury and you would be wise to keep going as

you are for a longer time. But i'm no professional and I can't

really judge what is best, it's just my opinion for what it's worth.

Are you taking antioxidants to aid your body during chelation?

Also, why is your doctor against DMPS? It is actually often more

tolerated than DMSA. Perhaps he's confusing this with IV DMPS and

not the oral DMPS that is used every 6 - 8 hours.

> I wanted to confirm regarding timing of starting

> ALA after initially starting DMSA. I have been

> chelating with DMSA for about 2 months; now up to

> 15mg every 4 hours still on a 3 day on, 3-5 day

> off schedule. I am still getting occasional

> headaches about an hour after a dose. I have not

> been able to go longer than 3 days as it really

> wipes me out. I also have progressive multiple

> sclerosis which is probably very related to the

> very high mercury levels found in blood and urine.

> My doc wanted me to stay on DMSA and was not in

> favor of moving to DMPS as suggested on the lists.

>

>

>

> I wanted to confirm that I should start low dose

> ALA about 3 months after my initial starting of

> DMSA. I have never been able to tolerate ALA in

> the past.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

1. My mercury levels in hair and blood were

astronomical so I was expecting problems and a

lengthy period before I can take ALA. I just

wanted an idea since I have 30 days to hit the 3

month mark.

2. My neuro was more comfortable with DMSA. I

did loan him Cutler's book until my next

appointment. He did not feel DMPS was appropriate

for me at this point. I told him it was to be

given every 6-8 hours. He said we could discuss

again at my next appt at the end of August.

3. I have been taking high doses

(appropriate) of antioxidants and the supplements

aligned with Cutler's list since Jan 05

_____

From: frequent-dose-chelation

[mailto:frequent-dose-chelation ]

On Behalf Of fats_malone2002

Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:32 PM

To: frequent-dose-chelation

Subject: Re: when to

start ALA; after DMSA

If you cannot go beyond 3 days of DMSA without

getting wiped out, or

increase the dose beyond 15 mg, you are to my mind

too toxic to add

ALA. Some need to chelate for much longer than 3

months before

adding ALA. i would not go by any set time period

(because you've

been chelating for 3 months), you must go by what

your body is

indicating to you and I would keep doing what you

are doing until you

are able to tolerate the chelating round of DMSA

better, which will

mean you are less toxic. Unless the DMSA itself is

the problem, it

just tells me it's the mercury and you would be

wise to keep going as

you are for a longer time. But i'm no professional

and I can't

really judge what is best, it's just my opinion

for what it's worth.

Are you taking antioxidants to aid your body

during chelation?

Also, why is your doctor against DMPS? It is

actually often more

tolerated than DMSA. Perhaps he's confusing this

with IV DMPS and

not the oral DMPS that is used every 6 - 8 hours.

> I wanted to confirm regarding timing of starting

> ALA after initially starting DMSA. I have been

> chelating with DMSA for about 2 months; now up

to

> 15mg every 4 hours still on a 3 day on, 3-5 day

> off schedule. I am still getting occasional

> headaches about an hour after a dose. I have not

> been able to go longer than 3 days as it really

> wipes me out. I also have progressive multiple

> sclerosis which is probably very related to the

> very high mercury levels found in blood and

urine.

> My doc wanted me to stay on DMSA and was not in

> favor of moving to DMPS as suggested on the

lists.

>

>

>

> I wanted to confirm that I should start low dose

> ALA about 3 months after my initial starting of

> DMSA. I have never been able to tolerate ALA in

> the past.

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>

[Guest guest]

1. My mercury levels in hair and blood were

astronomical so I was expecting problems and a

lengthy period before I can take ALA. I just

wanted an idea since I have 30 days to hit the 3

month mark.

2. My neuro was more comfortable with DMSA. I

did loan him Cutler's book until my next

appointment. He did not feel DMPS was appropriate

for me at this point. I told him it was to be

given every 6-8 hours. He said we could discuss

again at my next appt at the end of August.

3. I have been taking high doses

(appropriate) of antioxidants and the supplements

aligned with Cutler's list since Jan 05

_____

From: frequent-dose-chelation

[mailto:frequent-dose-chelation ]

On Behalf Of fats_malone2002

Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:32 PM

To: frequent-dose-chelation

Subject: Re: when to

start ALA; after DMSA

If you cannot go beyond 3 days of DMSA without

getting wiped out, or

increase the dose beyond 15 mg, you are to my mind

too toxic to add

ALA. Some need to chelate for much longer than 3

months before

adding ALA. i would not go by any set time period

(because you've

been chelating for 3 months), you must go by what

your body is

indicating to you and I would keep doing what you

are doing until you

are able to tolerate the chelating round of DMSA

better, which will

mean you are less toxic. Unless the DMSA itself is

the problem, it

just tells me it's the mercury and you would be

wise to keep going as

you are for a longer time. But i'm no professional

and I can't

really judge what is best, it's just my opinion

for what it's worth.

Are you taking antioxidants to aid your body

during chelation?

Also, why is your doctor against DMPS? It is

actually often more

tolerated than DMSA. Perhaps he's confusing this

with IV DMPS and

not the oral DMPS that is used every 6 - 8 hours.

> I wanted to confirm regarding timing of starting

> ALA after initially starting DMSA. I have been

> chelating with DMSA for about 2 months; now up

to

> 15mg every 4 hours still on a 3 day on, 3-5 day

> off schedule. I am still getting occasional

> headaches about an hour after a dose. I have not

> been able to go longer than 3 days as it really

> wipes me out. I also have progressive multiple

> sclerosis which is probably very related to the

> very high mercury levels found in blood and

urine.

> My doc wanted me to stay on DMSA and was not in

> favor of moving to DMPS as suggested on the

lists.

>

>

>

> I wanted to confirm that I should start low dose

> ALA about 3 months after my initial starting of

> DMSA. I have never been able to tolerate ALA in

> the past.

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>

[Guest guest]

1. My mercury levels in hair and blood were

astronomical so I was expecting problems and a

lengthy period before I can take ALA. I just

wanted an idea since I have 30 days to hit the 3

month mark.

2. My neuro was more comfortable with DMSA. I

did loan him Cutler's book until my next

appointment. He did not feel DMPS was appropriate

for me at this point. I told him it was to be

given every 6-8 hours. He said we could discuss

again at my next appt at the end of August.

3. I have been taking high doses

(appropriate) of antioxidants and the supplements

aligned with Cutler's list since Jan 05

_____

From: frequent-dose-chelation

[mailto:frequent-dose-chelation ]

On Behalf Of fats_malone2002

Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:32 PM

To: frequent-dose-chelation

Subject: Re: when to

start ALA; after DMSA

If you cannot go beyond 3 days of DMSA without

getting wiped out, or

increase the dose beyond 15 mg, you are to my mind

too toxic to add

ALA. Some need to chelate for much longer than 3

months before

adding ALA. i would not go by any set time period

(because you've

been chelating for 3 months), you must go by what

your body is

indicating to you and I would keep doing what you

are doing until you

are able to tolerate the chelating round of DMSA

better, which will

mean you are less toxic. Unless the DMSA itself is

the problem, it

just tells me it's the mercury and you would be

wise to keep going as

you are for a longer time. But i'm no professional

and I can't

really judge what is best, it's just my opinion

for what it's worth.

Are you taking antioxidants to aid your body

during chelation?

Also, why is your doctor against DMPS? It is

actually often more

tolerated than DMSA. Perhaps he's confusing this

with IV DMPS and

not the oral DMPS that is used every 6 - 8 hours.

> I wanted to confirm regarding timing of starting

> ALA after initially starting DMSA. I have been

> chelating with DMSA for about 2 months; now up

to

> 15mg every 4 hours still on a 3 day on, 3-5 day

> off schedule. I am still getting occasional

> headaches about an hour after a dose. I have not

> been able to go longer than 3 days as it really

> wipes me out. I also have progressive multiple

> sclerosis which is probably very related to the

> very high mercury levels found in blood and

urine.

> My doc wanted me to stay on DMSA and was not in

> favor of moving to DMPS as suggested on the

lists.

>

>

>

> I wanted to confirm that I should start low dose

> ALA about 3 months after my initial starting of

> DMSA. I have never been able to tolerate ALA in

> the past.

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I wanted to confirm regarding timing of starting

> ALA after initially starting DMSA. I have been

> chelating with DMSA for about 2 months; now up to

> 15mg every 4 hours still on a 3 day on, 3-5 day

> off schedule. I am still getting occasional

> headaches about an hour after a dose.

I have not

> been able to go longer than 3 days as it really

> wipes me out. I also have progressive multiple

> sclerosis which is probably very related to the

> very high mercury levels found in blood and urine.

> My doc wanted me to stay on DMSA and was not in

> favor of moving to DMPS as suggested on the lists.

>

>

>

> I wanted to confirm that I should start low dose

> ALA about 3 months after my initial starting of

> DMSA.

TK--- you can try adding very low dose of ala also or try increasing

your dmsa first for another month or two. I would error on the safe

side and increase the dmsa first for a couple months,jmo.

I have never been able to tolerate ALA in

> the past.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I wanted to confirm regarding timing of starting

> ALA after initially starting DMSA. I have been

> chelating with DMSA for about 2 months; now up to

> 15mg every 4 hours still on a 3 day on, 3-5 day

> off schedule. I am still getting occasional

> headaches about an hour after a dose.

I have not

> been able to go longer than 3 days as it really

> wipes me out. I also have progressive multiple

> sclerosis which is probably very related to the

> very high mercury levels found in blood and urine.

> My doc wanted me to stay on DMSA and was not in

> favor of moving to DMPS as suggested on the lists.

>

>

>

> I wanted to confirm that I should start low dose

> ALA about 3 months after my initial starting of

> DMSA.

TK--- you can try adding very low dose of ala also or try increasing

your dmsa first for another month or two. I would error on the safe

side and increase the dmsa first for a couple months,jmo.

I have never been able to tolerate ALA in

> the past.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I wanted to confirm regarding timing of starting

> ALA after initially starting DMSA. I have been

> chelating with DMSA for about 2 months; now up to

> 15mg every 4 hours still on a 3 day on, 3-5 day

> off schedule. I am still getting occasional

> headaches about an hour after a dose.

I have not

> been able to go longer than 3 days as it really

> wipes me out. I also have progressive multiple

> sclerosis which is probably very related to the

> very high mercury levels found in blood and urine.

> My doc wanted me to stay on DMSA and was not in

> favor of moving to DMPS as suggested on the lists.

>

>

>

> I wanted to confirm that I should start low dose

> ALA about 3 months after my initial starting of

> DMSA.

TK--- you can try adding very low dose of ala also or try increasing

your dmsa first for another month or two. I would error on the safe

side and increase the dmsa first for a couple months,jmo.

I have never been able to tolerate ALA in

> the past.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, yeah if you have a lot of mercury showing up in your blood and

hair, that is bad but evident.

You can get people showing highish levels who show no sign of

toxicity, which can mean they tolerate mercury much better, or they

are eliminating it very easily. Or Others who show high levels (such

as yourself) who are corresponding with the obvious toxicity

symptoms. You can get someone showing low levels can mean they

really have low levels, or they might simply be intolerant to even

small levels of mercury, or the mercury is simply tightly bound and

not showing up in the excretory areas of the hair and blood.

This is why I never go by testing in this regard. It's too

inaccurate unless a person (like Andy Cutler) is interpreting it, to

where he can see the discrepencies and undersatnd a pattern to what

is going on. E.g. Very low levels of mercury, but a person

exhibiting obvious mercury symptoms, plus has all the other hall

marks of mercury toxicity like the disrupted mineral levels or other

things that mercury is notorious for messing around with.

At any rate, I hope that the DMSA does help you along the way,

whether or not you do add some ALA soon.

I don't know whether you use a candida diet, but in case you don't,

this 'can " help some of us a lot and can be a lifesaver. So though

you're obviously very mercury toxic, you may have candida also which

could be contributing to your symptoms and making you feel even

worse. many of us have to get off sugar, yeast and gluten completely

(even fruit and milk in some worse cases becuase of the natural

sugars) to lower the candida levels in our body. Just a suggestion,

in case you really feel desperate with symptoms (it might be a help).

>

> 1. My mercury levels in hair and blood were

> astronomical so I was expecting problems and a

> lengthy period before I can take ALA. I just

> wanted an idea since I have 30 days to hit the 3

> month mark.

> 2. My neuro was more comfortable with DMSA. I

> did loan him Cutler's book until my next

> appointment. He did not feel DMPS was appropriate

> for me at this point. I told him it was to be

> given every 6-8 hours. He said we could discuss

> again at my next appt at the end of August.

> 3. I have been taking high doses

> (appropriate) of antioxidants and the supplements

> aligned with Cutler's list since Jan 05

>

>

>

>