Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 TK--- Start here to research what things can and should be done - http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ > > Hello all - I'm new to the list, but not new to chelation. I have a son > with mild autism. I've been on Autism-Mercury list for several years, but I > joined this list because my husband and I will soon begin to have our > amalgams removed. My husband has many, many health issues, including > gastric reflux, asthma, vitiligo, hyperthyroidism (graves), bursitis, > anxiety and depression, unexplained hives, and the list goes on. I don't > have any particular health issues, other than being mildly hypothyroid but > that has never been diagnosed by a doctor. > > My question for the group is - > Assuming that we are not supposed to chelate with remaining amalgams > (right?) what can he take before/during/after his amalgam removal to protect > his health as much as possible? If this info is available somewhere on a > website, just point me to it please. > > Thank you > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 I have appreciated reading comments responding to Nahla's increased symptoms during amalgam removal. It gives me courage. I am in the middle of the amalgam removal process myself. The first quadrant came out without any problems for me. In fact, my head felt more open. After the first quadrant pain moved around in my mouth from tooth to tooth as if the current was looking for a new pathway. At least in my mind that is what I imagined was happening. The quadrant that was removed had more current than all my other teeth combined on the day my teeth were tested. I hoped the noise in my head would go away. It didn't. Instead it sort of shifted around. But my legs really improved and I was able to walk barefooted for the first time in years. It actually felt good to wash the car barefooted. And I had the energy to wash the car. My husband was amazed. My second quadrant has caused me a great deal of trouble. I got very sick, and in fact, I don't know how I managed to drive home. I was like a drunk who thinks they are just fine. I didn't realize it at the time, but during the dental procedure, I was very much out of it and in and out of consciousness. The dentist and assistant did not recognize that I was having a reaction. They were looking for shock symptoms and breathing problems. By the time I got home I finally realized I was in trouble! You see, I never have allowed epinephrine to be put in my mouth before. The first quadrant I did without epinephrine. I only got straight novacaine which doesn't work without the epinephrine. So i feel all the pain anyway. That is okay. I can deal with it. But I salivated so much that they had to redo one procedure three times and another twice. It was I who said to please try the epinephrine and see if I had a reaction. (My family has a history of problems with epinephrine.) The first day my head was foggy. I was dizzy. My stomach hurt. I have had trouble with my stomach ever since. I have had diarrea. I have been shaky and my blood sugar has been screwed up. My joints have hurt and my legs have been weakened. I got heart palpatations again. I can't get anything done. I have no energy. I think I got some Hg moving around again. So many of these symptoms I had been managing very well. But I really have it screwed up now. I am working on trying to get back to where I was before the second quadrant came out in time for my third quadrant appointment. BElieve me... no epinephrine for me the next time! I will be so glad to get finished with the teeth so I can move on to the next phase, chelation. Anyway, thank you all for sharing your experiences about this. I am determined to move forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 >The quadrant that was removed had more current than all my other teeth >combined on the day my teeth were tested. I hoped the noise in my >head would go away. It didn't. Instead it sort of shifted around. How exactly is the overall current added up? Don you take each reading of each tooth in a quadrant and then add it all together? Will some teeth be positive and some negative within the same quadrant? Or are all the teeth in one quadrant the same polarity (positive or negative)? I'm interested in specifics about how the readings are taking and decisions made about which quadrant to start with. And then once you have found the quadrant can you start on any tooth, or remove the highest negative also? A doctor here in South Africa has got our first RITA meter and I want to make sure he gets it right. Thanks, Dean I have appreciated reading comments responding to Nahla's increased symptoms during amalgam removal. It gives me courage. I am in the middle of the amalgam removal process myself. The first quadrant came out without any problems for me. In fact, my head felt more open. After the first quadrant pain moved around in my mouth from tooth to tooth as if the current was looking for a new pathway. At least in my mind that is what I imagined was happening. The quadrant that was removed had more current than all my other teeth combined on the day my teeth were tested. I hoped the noise in my head would go away. It didn't. Instead it sort of shifted around. But my legs really improved and I was able to walk barefooted for the first time in years. It actually felt good to wash the car barefooted. And I had the energy to wash the car. My husband was amazed. My second quadrant has caused me a great deal of trouble. I got very sick, and in fact, I don't know how I managed to drive home. I was like a drunk who thinks they are just fine. I didn't realize it at the time, but during the dental procedure, I was very much out of it and in and out of consciousness. The dentist and assistant did not recognize that I was having a reaction. They were looking for shock symptoms and breathing problems. By the time I got home I finally realized I was in trouble! You see, I never have allowed epinephrine to be put in my mouth before. The first quadrant I did without epinephrine. I only got straight novacaine which doesn't work without the epinephrine. So i feel all the pain anyway. That is okay. I can deal with it. But I salivated so much that they had to redo one procedure three times and another twice. It was I who said to please try the epinephrine and see if I had a reaction. (My family has a history of problems with epinephrine.) The first day my head was foggy. I was dizzy. My stomach hurt. I have had trouble with my stomach ever since. I have had diarrea. I have been shaky and my blood sugar has been screwed up. My joints have hurt and my legs have been weakened. I got heart palpatations again. I can't get anything done. I have no energy. I think I got some Hg moving around again. So many of these symptoms I had been managing very well. But I really have it screwed up now. I am working on trying to get back to where I was before the second quadrant came out in time for my third quadrant appointment. BElieve me... no epinephrine for me the next time! I will be so glad to get finished with the teeth so I can move on to the next phase, chelation. Anyway, thank you all for sharing your experiences about this. I am determined to move forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 >The quadrant that was removed had more current than all my other teeth >combined on the day my teeth were tested. I hoped the noise in my >head would go away. It didn't. Instead it sort of shifted around. How exactly is the overall current added up? Don you take each reading of each tooth in a quadrant and then add it all together? Will some teeth be positive and some negative within the same quadrant? Or are all the teeth in one quadrant the same polarity (positive or negative)? I'm interested in specifics about how the readings are taking and decisions made about which quadrant to start with. And then once you have found the quadrant can you start on any tooth, or remove the highest negative also? A doctor here in South Africa has got our first RITA meter and I want to make sure he gets it right. Thanks, Dean I have appreciated reading comments responding to Nahla's increased symptoms during amalgam removal. It gives me courage. I am in the middle of the amalgam removal process myself. The first quadrant came out without any problems for me. In fact, my head felt more open. After the first quadrant pain moved around in my mouth from tooth to tooth as if the current was looking for a new pathway. At least in my mind that is what I imagined was happening. The quadrant that was removed had more current than all my other teeth combined on the day my teeth were tested. I hoped the noise in my head would go away. It didn't. Instead it sort of shifted around. But my legs really improved and I was able to walk barefooted for the first time in years. It actually felt good to wash the car barefooted. And I had the energy to wash the car. My husband was amazed. My second quadrant has caused me a great deal of trouble. I got very sick, and in fact, I don't know how I managed to drive home. I was like a drunk who thinks they are just fine. I didn't realize it at the time, but during the dental procedure, I was very much out of it and in and out of consciousness. The dentist and assistant did not recognize that I was having a reaction. They were looking for shock symptoms and breathing problems. By the time I got home I finally realized I was in trouble! You see, I never have allowed epinephrine to be put in my mouth before. The first quadrant I did without epinephrine. I only got straight novacaine which doesn't work without the epinephrine. So i feel all the pain anyway. That is okay. I can deal with it. But I salivated so much that they had to redo one procedure three times and another twice. It was I who said to please try the epinephrine and see if I had a reaction. (My family has a history of problems with epinephrine.) The first day my head was foggy. I was dizzy. My stomach hurt. I have had trouble with my stomach ever since. I have had diarrea. I have been shaky and my blood sugar has been screwed up. My joints have hurt and my legs have been weakened. I got heart palpatations again. I can't get anything done. I have no energy. I think I got some Hg moving around again. So many of these symptoms I had been managing very well. But I really have it screwed up now. I am working on trying to get back to where I was before the second quadrant came out in time for my third quadrant appointment. BElieve me... no epinephrine for me the next time! I will be so glad to get finished with the teeth so I can move on to the next phase, chelation. Anyway, thank you all for sharing your experiences about this. I am determined to move forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 >The quadrant that was removed had more current than all my other teeth >combined on the day my teeth were tested. I hoped the noise in my >head would go away. It didn't. Instead it sort of shifted around. How exactly is the overall current added up? Don you take each reading of each tooth in a quadrant and then add it all together? Will some teeth be positive and some negative within the same quadrant? Or are all the teeth in one quadrant the same polarity (positive or negative)? I'm interested in specifics about how the readings are taking and decisions made about which quadrant to start with. And then once you have found the quadrant can you start on any tooth, or remove the highest negative also? A doctor here in South Africa has got our first RITA meter and I want to make sure he gets it right. Thanks, Dean I have appreciated reading comments responding to Nahla's increased symptoms during amalgam removal. It gives me courage. I am in the middle of the amalgam removal process myself. The first quadrant came out without any problems for me. In fact, my head felt more open. After the first quadrant pain moved around in my mouth from tooth to tooth as if the current was looking for a new pathway. At least in my mind that is what I imagined was happening. The quadrant that was removed had more current than all my other teeth combined on the day my teeth were tested. I hoped the noise in my head would go away. It didn't. Instead it sort of shifted around. But my legs really improved and I was able to walk barefooted for the first time in years. It actually felt good to wash the car barefooted. And I had the energy to wash the car. My husband was amazed. My second quadrant has caused me a great deal of trouble. I got very sick, and in fact, I don't know how I managed to drive home. I was like a drunk who thinks they are just fine. I didn't realize it at the time, but during the dental procedure, I was very much out of it and in and out of consciousness. The dentist and assistant did not recognize that I was having a reaction. They were looking for shock symptoms and breathing problems. By the time I got home I finally realized I was in trouble! You see, I never have allowed epinephrine to be put in my mouth before. The first quadrant I did without epinephrine. I only got straight novacaine which doesn't work without the epinephrine. So i feel all the pain anyway. That is okay. I can deal with it. But I salivated so much that they had to redo one procedure three times and another twice. It was I who said to please try the epinephrine and see if I had a reaction. (My family has a history of problems with epinephrine.) The first day my head was foggy. I was dizzy. My stomach hurt. I have had trouble with my stomach ever since. I have had diarrea. I have been shaky and my blood sugar has been screwed up. My joints have hurt and my legs have been weakened. I got heart palpatations again. I can't get anything done. I have no energy. I think I got some Hg moving around again. So many of these symptoms I had been managing very well. But I really have it screwed up now. I am working on trying to get back to where I was before the second quadrant came out in time for my third quadrant appointment. BElieve me... no epinephrine for me the next time! I will be so glad to get finished with the teeth so I can move on to the next phase, chelation. Anyway, thank you all for sharing your experiences about this. I am determined to move forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 I can try to clarify a bit on this. Each tooth with a filling has it's own current reading. Some are positive, some are negative. People with the new high copper amalgams which began in the late 70's are usually all negative. Other metals in the mouth like crowns, and caps can make things different too. Anyway, Usually this is how the protocol is done, each tooth is measured with an amalgam meter and written down. If your mouth is all negatives, then they can start by quadrant. The quadrant that has the tooth with highest negative reading gets done first. Then they proceed to the quadrant above that one. Because you are not supposed to cross sides (crossing midline). If you have positive fillings this goes differently. If you have epilepsy, it goes differently. It that case fillings must be removed as the highest negative first, then the second highest, working your way down to the lowest, no matter what quadrant. The interesting part of this is that if you test a non filled tooth, it has NO current. They removed the highest negative quadrant first, which sounds right. So this time they will test all the teeth again and see what the currents are and choose which quadrant to remove. I answered some of your questions below also. > > >The quadrant that was removed had more current than all my other teeth > >combined on the day my teeth were tested. I hoped the noise in my > >head would go away. It didn't. Instead it sort of shifted around. > > How exactly is the overall current added up? Usually it isn't Don you take each reading of each tooth in a quadrant and then add it all together? Not from what I read. Usually you don't add it all up. Will some teeth be positive and some negative within the same quadrant? YES, teeth with the old amalgam (pre 70's), anything with other metals in it. > Or are all the teeth in one quadrant the same polarity (positive or negative)? No, they can be different > > I'm interested in specifics about how the readings are taking and decisions made about which quadrant to start with. And then once you have found the quadrant can you start on any tooth, or remove the highest negative also? Yes, highest in that quadrant goes first. > > A doctor here in South Africa has got our first RITA meter and I want to make sure he gets it right. > Thanks, > Dean > > > > > > > I have appreciated reading comments responding to Nahla's increased > symptoms during amalgam removal. It gives me courage. > > I am in the middle of the amalgam removal process myself. The first > quadrant came out without any problems for me. In fact, my head felt > more open. After the first quadrant pain moved around in my mouth > from tooth to tooth as if the current was looking for a new pathway. > At least in my mind that is what I imagined was happening. The > quadrant that was removed had more current than all my other teeth > combined on the day my teeth were tested. I hoped the noise in my > head would go away. It didn't. Instead it sort of shifted around. > But my legs really improved and I was able to walk barefooted for the > first time in years. It actually felt good to wash the car barefooted. > And I had the energy to wash the car. My husband was amazed. > > My second quadrant has caused me a great deal of trouble. I got very > sick, and in fact, I don't know how I managed to drive home. I was > like a drunk who thinks they are just fine. I didn't realize it at > the time, but during the dental procedure, I was very much out of it > and in and out of consciousness. The dentist and assistant did not > recognize that I was having a reaction. They were looking for shock > symptoms and breathing problems. By the time I got home I finally > realized I was in trouble! You see, I never have allowed epinephrine > to be put in my mouth before. The first quadrant I did without > epinephrine. I only got straight novacaine which doesn't work without > the epinephrine. So i feel all the pain anyway. That is okay. I can > deal with it. But I salivated so much that they had to redo one > procedure three times and another twice. It was I who said to please > try the epinephrine and see if I had a reaction. (My family has a > history of problems with epinephrine.) > > The first day my head was foggy. I was dizzy. My stomach hurt. I > have had trouble with my stomach ever since. I have had diarrea. I > have been shaky and my blood sugar has been screwed up. My joints > have hurt and my legs have been weakened. I got heart palpatations > again. I can't get anything done. I have no energy. I think I got > some Hg moving around again. > > So many of these symptoms I had been managing very well. But I really > have it screwed up now. I am working on trying to get back to where I > was before the second quadrant came out in time for my third quadrant > appointment. BElieve me... no epinephrine for me the next time! > > I will be so glad to get finished with the teeth so I can move on to > the next phase, chelation. > > Anyway, thank you all for sharing your experiences about this. I am > determined to move forward. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 I can try to clarify a bit on this. Each tooth with a filling has it's own current reading. Some are positive, some are negative. People with the new high copper amalgams which began in the late 70's are usually all negative. Other metals in the mouth like crowns, and caps can make things different too. Anyway, Usually this is how the protocol is done, each tooth is measured with an amalgam meter and written down. If your mouth is all negatives, then they can start by quadrant. The quadrant that has the tooth with highest negative reading gets done first. Then they proceed to the quadrant above that one. Because you are not supposed to cross sides (crossing midline). If you have positive fillings this goes differently. If you have epilepsy, it goes differently. It that case fillings must be removed as the highest negative first, then the second highest, working your way down to the lowest, no matter what quadrant. The interesting part of this is that if you test a non filled tooth, it has NO current. They removed the highest negative quadrant first, which sounds right. So this time they will test all the teeth again and see what the currents are and choose which quadrant to remove. I answered some of your questions below also. > > >The quadrant that was removed had more current than all my other teeth > >combined on the day my teeth were tested. I hoped the noise in my > >head would go away. It didn't. Instead it sort of shifted around. > > How exactly is the overall current added up? Usually it isn't Don you take each reading of each tooth in a quadrant and then add it all together? Not from what I read. Usually you don't add it all up. Will some teeth be positive and some negative within the same quadrant? YES, teeth with the old amalgam (pre 70's), anything with other metals in it. > Or are all the teeth in one quadrant the same polarity (positive or negative)? No, they can be different > > I'm interested in specifics about how the readings are taking and decisions made about which quadrant to start with. And then once you have found the quadrant can you start on any tooth, or remove the highest negative also? Yes, highest in that quadrant goes first. > > A doctor here in South Africa has got our first RITA meter and I want to make sure he gets it right. > Thanks, > Dean > > > > > > > I have appreciated reading comments responding to Nahla's increased > symptoms during amalgam removal. It gives me courage. > > I am in the middle of the amalgam removal process myself. The first > quadrant came out without any problems for me. In fact, my head felt > more open. After the first quadrant pain moved around in my mouth > from tooth to tooth as if the current was looking for a new pathway. > At least in my mind that is what I imagined was happening. The > quadrant that was removed had more current than all my other teeth > combined on the day my teeth were tested. I hoped the noise in my > head would go away. It didn't. Instead it sort of shifted around. > But my legs really improved and I was able to walk barefooted for the > first time in years. It actually felt good to wash the car barefooted. > And I had the energy to wash the car. My husband was amazed. > > My second quadrant has caused me a great deal of trouble. I got very > sick, and in fact, I don't know how I managed to drive home. I was > like a drunk who thinks they are just fine. I didn't realize it at > the time, but during the dental procedure, I was very much out of it > and in and out of consciousness. The dentist and assistant did not > recognize that I was having a reaction. They were looking for shock > symptoms and breathing problems. By the time I got home I finally > realized I was in trouble! You see, I never have allowed epinephrine > to be put in my mouth before. The first quadrant I did without > epinephrine. I only got straight novacaine which doesn't work without > the epinephrine. So i feel all the pain anyway. That is okay. I can > deal with it. But I salivated so much that they had to redo one > procedure three times and another twice. It was I who said to please > try the epinephrine and see if I had a reaction. (My family has a > history of problems with epinephrine.) > > The first day my head was foggy. I was dizzy. My stomach hurt. I > have had trouble with my stomach ever since. I have had diarrea. I > have been shaky and my blood sugar has been screwed up. My joints > have hurt and my legs have been weakened. I got heart palpatations > again. I can't get anything done. I have no energy. I think I got > some Hg moving around again. > > So many of these symptoms I had been managing very well. But I really > have it screwed up now. I am working on trying to get back to where I > was before the second quadrant came out in time for my third quadrant > appointment. BElieve me... no epinephrine for me the next time! > > I will be so glad to get finished with the teeth so I can move on to > the next phase, chelation. > > Anyway, thank you all for sharing your experiences about this. I am > determined to move forward. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 I can try to clarify a bit on this. Each tooth with a filling has it's own current reading. Some are positive, some are negative. People with the new high copper amalgams which began in the late 70's are usually all negative. Other metals in the mouth like crowns, and caps can make things different too. Anyway, Usually this is how the protocol is done, each tooth is measured with an amalgam meter and written down. If your mouth is all negatives, then they can start by quadrant. The quadrant that has the tooth with highest negative reading gets done first. Then they proceed to the quadrant above that one. Because you are not supposed to cross sides (crossing midline). If you have positive fillings this goes differently. If you have epilepsy, it goes differently. It that case fillings must be removed as the highest negative first, then the second highest, working your way down to the lowest, no matter what quadrant. The interesting part of this is that if you test a non filled tooth, it has NO current. They removed the highest negative quadrant first, which sounds right. So this time they will test all the teeth again and see what the currents are and choose which quadrant to remove. I answered some of your questions below also. > > >The quadrant that was removed had more current than all my other teeth > >combined on the day my teeth were tested. I hoped the noise in my > >head would go away. It didn't. Instead it sort of shifted around. > > How exactly is the overall current added up? Usually it isn't Don you take each reading of each tooth in a quadrant and then add it all together? Not from what I read. Usually you don't add it all up. Will some teeth be positive and some negative within the same quadrant? YES, teeth with the old amalgam (pre 70's), anything with other metals in it. > Or are all the teeth in one quadrant the same polarity (positive or negative)? No, they can be different > > I'm interested in specifics about how the readings are taking and decisions made about which quadrant to start with. And then once you have found the quadrant can you start on any tooth, or remove the highest negative also? Yes, highest in that quadrant goes first. > > A doctor here in South Africa has got our first RITA meter and I want to make sure he gets it right. > Thanks, > Dean > > > > > > > I have appreciated reading comments responding to Nahla's increased > symptoms during amalgam removal. It gives me courage. > > I am in the middle of the amalgam removal process myself. The first > quadrant came out without any problems for me. In fact, my head felt > more open. After the first quadrant pain moved around in my mouth > from tooth to tooth as if the current was looking for a new pathway. > At least in my mind that is what I imagined was happening. The > quadrant that was removed had more current than all my other teeth > combined on the day my teeth were tested. I hoped the noise in my > head would go away. It didn't. Instead it sort of shifted around. > But my legs really improved and I was able to walk barefooted for the > first time in years. It actually felt good to wash the car barefooted. > And I had the energy to wash the car. My husband was amazed. > > My second quadrant has caused me a great deal of trouble. I got very > sick, and in fact, I don't know how I managed to drive home. I was > like a drunk who thinks they are just fine. I didn't realize it at > the time, but during the dental procedure, I was very much out of it > and in and out of consciousness. The dentist and assistant did not > recognize that I was having a reaction. They were looking for shock > symptoms and breathing problems. By the time I got home I finally > realized I was in trouble! You see, I never have allowed epinephrine > to be put in my mouth before. The first quadrant I did without > epinephrine. I only got straight novacaine which doesn't work without > the epinephrine. So i feel all the pain anyway. That is okay. I can > deal with it. But I salivated so much that they had to redo one > procedure three times and another twice. It was I who said to please > try the epinephrine and see if I had a reaction. (My family has a > history of problems with epinephrine.) > > The first day my head was foggy. I was dizzy. My stomach hurt. I > have had trouble with my stomach ever since. I have had diarrea. I > have been shaky and my blood sugar has been screwed up. My joints > have hurt and my legs have been weakened. I got heart palpatations > again. I can't get anything done. I have no energy. I think I got > some Hg moving around again. > > So many of these symptoms I had been managing very well. But I really > have it screwed up now. I am working on trying to get back to where I > was before the second quadrant came out in time for my third quadrant > appointment. BElieve me... no epinephrine for me the next time! > > I will be so glad to get finished with the teeth so I can move on to > the next phase, chelation. > > Anyway, thank you all for sharing your experiences about this. I am > determined to move forward. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Thanks Jan. Can you clarify further please: >If your mouth is all negatives, then they can start by quadrant. Dean: Is that common to have an all negative mouth? Are positive fillings less likely? >The quadrant that has the tooth with highest negative reading gets done first. Dean: When you have found the quadrant with the highest negative (e.g. Upper left) does it matter what order you remove the fillings in that upper left quadrant ? Or can you then remove them as you wish once you have located the correct quadrant? >If you have positive fillings this goes differently. If you have epilepsy, it goes differently. In that case fillings must be removed as the highest negative first, then the second highest, working your way down to the lowest, no matter what quadrant. Dean: So, this process takes place even if you have only one positive filling? Would you then HAVE to use conscious sedation because you now need to cross the midline in a single appointment if you are jumping around quadrants? Also what happens when there are metal crowns, and amalgams under crowns? Do they test the metal crowns and remove them within the overall order too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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