Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 > > Please help. > > I have been chelating with DMPS for 6 months. > This is the first urinary porphyrin test done so I > do not have anything to compare it to. > Recent chelation rounds have been free of > fog and effect. Can I now stop chelating? TK--- depends on your symptoms and problems. DMPS by itself only chelates extracellular Hg and will not chelate intracellular Hg what is in your brain and organs. So it depends on how you are doing. > > uroporphyrins I & III (UP) > 11 [7-14] > > heptacarboxy porphyrin (7cxP) > 1.4 [1.5-3.5] > > hexacarboxy porphyrin (6cxP) > 1.0 [0.4-0.8] > > pentacarboxy porphyrin (5cxP) > 5.3 [1.0-2.9] > > precoporphyrin (prCP) > 22.6 [2-5] > > Coproporphyrins I & III (cP) > 173 [50-80] > > prCP/UP > 1.96 [0.3-0.6] > > UP/CP > 0.06 [0.14-0.18] > > urinary creatinine 771 mg/l > > Lab Interpretation: > " moderately increased pentacarboxy, precopro and coproporphyrin " > " Urinary Porphyrin Profile suggestive a moderate toxic effect on bodily > physiology " > > What does this really mean? TK--- Seems like it means you are still moderately toxic. I would call the lab and ask for a better explanation or try and look up the informatioin if the have a web site and resources. I would also look at Andy's comments on porphrine tests. > > Thanks > > Dave > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 > > Please help. > > I have been chelating with DMPS for 6 months. > This is the first urinary porphyrin test done so I > do not have anything to compare it to. > Recent chelation rounds have been free of > fog and effect. Can I now stop chelating? TK--- depends on your symptoms and problems. DMPS by itself only chelates extracellular Hg and will not chelate intracellular Hg what is in your brain and organs. So it depends on how you are doing. > > uroporphyrins I & III (UP) > 11 [7-14] > > heptacarboxy porphyrin (7cxP) > 1.4 [1.5-3.5] > > hexacarboxy porphyrin (6cxP) > 1.0 [0.4-0.8] > > pentacarboxy porphyrin (5cxP) > 5.3 [1.0-2.9] > > precoporphyrin (prCP) > 22.6 [2-5] > > Coproporphyrins I & III (cP) > 173 [50-80] > > prCP/UP > 1.96 [0.3-0.6] > > UP/CP > 0.06 [0.14-0.18] > > urinary creatinine 771 mg/l > > Lab Interpretation: > " moderately increased pentacarboxy, precopro and coproporphyrin " > " Urinary Porphyrin Profile suggestive a moderate toxic effect on bodily > physiology " > > What does this really mean? TK--- Seems like it means you are still moderately toxic. I would call the lab and ask for a better explanation or try and look up the informatioin if the have a web site and resources. I would also look at Andy's comments on porphrine tests. > > Thanks > > Dave > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 I am doing as TK suggested. Can anyone else help me to evaluate what the actual numbers reasonably mean? Is this pattern typical for mercury? - The test report interpretation does not mention mercury. > >Reply-To: frequent-dose-chelation >To: frequent-dose-chelation >Subject: Re: porphyrins test >Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:00:59 -0000 > > > > > > Please help. > > > > I have been chelating with DMPS for 6 months. > > This is the first urinary porphyrin test done so I > > do not have anything to compare it to. > > Recent chelation rounds have been free of > > fog and effect. Can I now stop chelating? > > >TK--- depends on your symptoms and problems. DMPS by itself only >chelates extracellular Hg and will not chelate intracellular Hg what >is in your brain and organs. So it depends on how you are doing. > > > > > > > uroporphyrins I & III (UP) > > 11 [7-14] > > > > heptacarboxy porphyrin (7cxP) > > 1.4 [1.5-3.5] > > > > hexacarboxy porphyrin (6cxP) > > 1.0 [0.4-0.8] > > > > pentacarboxy porphyrin (5cxP) > > 5.3 [1.0-2.9] > > > > precoporphyrin (prCP) > > 22.6 [2-5] > > > > Coproporphyrins I & III (cP) > > 173 [50-80] > > > > prCP/UP > > 1.96 [0.3-0.6] > > > > UP/CP > > 0.06 [0.14-0.18] > > > > urinary creatinine 771 mg/l > > > > Lab Interpretation: > > " moderately increased pentacarboxy, precopro and coproporphyrin " > > " Urinary Porphyrin Profile suggestive a moderate toxic effect on >bodily > > physiology " > > > > What does this really mean? > > >TK--- Seems like it means you are still moderately toxic. I would >call the lab and ask for a better explanation or try and look up the >informatioin if the have a web site and resources. I would also >look at Andy's comments on porphrine tests. > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Dave > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 I am doing as TK suggested. Can anyone else help me to evaluate what the actual numbers reasonably mean? Is this pattern typical for mercury? - The test report interpretation does not mention mercury. > >Reply-To: frequent-dose-chelation >To: frequent-dose-chelation >Subject: Re: porphyrins test >Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:00:59 -0000 > > > > > > Please help. > > > > I have been chelating with DMPS for 6 months. > > This is the first urinary porphyrin test done so I > > do not have anything to compare it to. > > Recent chelation rounds have been free of > > fog and effect. Can I now stop chelating? > > >TK--- depends on your symptoms and problems. DMPS by itself only >chelates extracellular Hg and will not chelate intracellular Hg what >is in your brain and organs. So it depends on how you are doing. > > > > > > > uroporphyrins I & III (UP) > > 11 [7-14] > > > > heptacarboxy porphyrin (7cxP) > > 1.4 [1.5-3.5] > > > > hexacarboxy porphyrin (6cxP) > > 1.0 [0.4-0.8] > > > > pentacarboxy porphyrin (5cxP) > > 5.3 [1.0-2.9] > > > > precoporphyrin (prCP) > > 22.6 [2-5] > > > > Coproporphyrins I & III (cP) > > 173 [50-80] > > > > prCP/UP > > 1.96 [0.3-0.6] > > > > UP/CP > > 0.06 [0.14-0.18] > > > > urinary creatinine 771 mg/l > > > > Lab Interpretation: > > " moderately increased pentacarboxy, precopro and coproporphyrin " > > " Urinary Porphyrin Profile suggestive a moderate toxic effect on >bodily > > physiology " > > > > What does this really mean? > > >TK--- Seems like it means you are still moderately toxic. I would >call the lab and ask for a better explanation or try and look up the >informatioin if the have a web site and resources. I would also >look at Andy's comments on porphrine tests. > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Dave > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 Dave, I can't tell you what all the values mean, but this much I do know. Precoporphyrin is a porphyrin that is not present unless you have had mercury exposure, and you have that. Mercury will also cause elevations in pentacarboxy porphyrin and that is also present. If there is a high body burden of lead you will have elevated coproporphyrins, and again, you do. If there is a high body burden of arsenic you will have elevated coproporphyrins with uroporphyrins, with the biggest values in the uroporphyrins, which you don't. Hope that helps, Re: porphyrins test >>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:00:59 -0000 >> >> >> > >> > Please help. >> > >> > I have been chelating with DMPS for 6 months. >> > This is the first urinary porphyrin test done so I >> > do not have anything to compare it to. >> > Recent chelation rounds have been free of >> > fog and effect. Can I now stop chelating? >> >> >>TK--- depends on your symptoms and problems. DMPS by itself only >>chelates extracellular Hg and will not chelate intracellular Hg what >>is in your brain and organs. So it depends on how you are doing. >> >> >> >> > >> > uroporphyrins I & III (UP) >> > 11 [7-14] >> > >> > heptacarboxy porphyrin (7cxP) >> > 1.4 [1.5-3.5] >> > >> > hexacarboxy porphyrin (6cxP) >> > 1.0 [0.4-0.8] >> > >> > pentacarboxy porphyrin (5cxP) >> > 5.3 [1.0-2.9] >> > >> > precoporphyrin (prCP) >> > 22.6 [2-5] >> > >> > Coproporphyrins I & III (cP) >> > 173 [50-80] >> > >> > prCP/UP >> > 1.96 [0.3-0.6] >> > >> > UP/CP >> > 0.06 [0.14-0.18] >> > >> > urinary creatinine 771 mg/l >> > >> > Lab Interpretation: >> > " moderately increased pentacarboxy, precopro and coproporphyrin " >> > " Urinary Porphyrin Profile suggestive a moderate toxic effect on >>bodily >> > physiology " >> > >> > What does this really mean? >> >> >>TK--- Seems like it means you are still moderately toxic. I would >>call the lab and ask for a better explanation or try and look up the >>informatioin if the have a web site and resources. I would also >>look at Andy's comments on porphrine tests. >> >> >> >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Dave >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 Is there a preferred lab to get the prophyrins done? A new doc actually suggested this. After years of asking others I'd not even brought it up. I could not believe my ears! Does it have to be a 24 hr urine or can the overnoc version yeild accurate results? Thanks, > > > > > > Please help. > > > > > > I have been chelating with DMPS for 6 months. > > > This is the first urinary porphyrin test done so I > > > do not have anything to compare it to. > > > Recent chelation rounds have been free of > > > fog and effect. Can I now stop chelating? > > > > > >TK--- depends on your symptoms and problems. DMPS by itself only > >chelates extracellular Hg and will not chelate intracellular Hg what > >is in your brain and organs. So it depends on how you are doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > uroporphyrins I & III (UP) > > > 11 [7-14] > > > > > > heptacarboxy porphyrin (7cxP) > > > 1.4 [1.5-3.5] > > > > > > hexacarboxy porphyrin (6cxP) > > > 1.0 [0.4-0.8] > > > > > > pentacarboxy porphyrin (5cxP) > > > 5.3 [1.0-2.9] > > > > > > precoporphyrin (prCP) > > > 22.6 [2-5] > > > > > > Coproporphyrins I & III (cP) > > > 173 [50-80] > > > > > > prCP/UP > > > 1.96 [0.3-0.6] > > > > > > UP/CP > > > 0.06 [0.14-0.18] > > > > > > urinary creatinine 771 mg/l > > > > > > Lab Interpretation: > > > " moderately increased pentacarboxy, precopro and coproporphyrin " > > > " Urinary Porphyrin Profile suggestive a moderate toxic effect on > >bodily > > > physiology " > > > > > > What does this really mean? > > > > > >TK--- Seems like it means you are still moderately toxic. I would > >call the lab and ask for a better explanation or try and look up the > >informatioin if the have a web site and resources. I would also > >look at Andy's comments on porphrine tests. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 I am glad you have a new doc, . I have a good doc too - It makes all the difference in the world. Laboratoire Philippe Auguste in France proposes a competent test based on 7 metabolites from one step in the synthesis of Heme (hemoglobin). It appears to be very sensitive to mercury/cadmium or/and Lead. I do not know for sure but I believe most other labs only assess one level lower than this. To do the test you need to request by e-mail a urinary porphyrins test kit. You will return an urine sample together with the received paper work and a credit card number for payment of 90 Euros. The results will follow by e-mail in a few weeks. Their test can really pin point mercury toxicitity or rule it out. The only reservation I have is the report interpretation is not very meaningful. However if you have a knowledge person assess the actual 7 metabolite concentrations one can finally know if the problem is really mercury - Ha! Hopes this helps - Dave > >Reply-To: frequent-dose-chelation >To: frequent-dose-chelation >Subject: Re: porphyrins test >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:28:00 -0000 > >Is there a preferred lab to get the prophyrins done? A new doc >actually suggested this. After years of asking others I'd not even >brought it up. I could not believe my ears! Does it have to be a 24 >hr urine or can the overnoc version yeild accurate results? Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please help. > > > > > > > > I have been chelating with DMPS for 6 months. > > > > This is the first urinary porphyrin test done so I > > > > do not have anything to compare it to. > > > > Recent chelation rounds have been free of > > > > fog and effect. Can I now stop chelating? > > > > > > > > >TK--- depends on your symptoms and problems. DMPS by itself only > > >chelates extracellular Hg and will not chelate intracellular Hg >what > > >is in your brain and organs. So it depends on how you are doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uroporphyrins I & III (UP) > > > > 11 [7-14] > > > > > > > > heptacarboxy porphyrin (7cxP) > > > > 1.4 [1.5-3.5] > > > > > > > > hexacarboxy porphyrin (6cxP) > > > > 1.0 [0.4-0.8] > > > > > > > > pentacarboxy porphyrin (5cxP) > > > > 5.3 [1.0-2.9] > > > > > > > > precoporphyrin (prCP) > > > > 22.6 [2-5] > > > > > > > > Coproporphyrins I & III (cP) > > > > 173 [50-80] > > > > > > > > prCP/UP > > > > 1.96 [0.3-0.6] > > > > > > > > UP/CP > > > > 0.06 [0.14-0.18] > > > > > > > > urinary creatinine 771 mg/l > > > > > > > > Lab Interpretation: > > > > " moderately increased pentacarboxy, precopro and coproporphyrin " > > > > " Urinary Porphyrin Profile suggestive a moderate toxic effect on > > >bodily > > > > physiology " > > > > > > > > What does this really mean? > > > > > > > > >TK--- Seems like it means you are still moderately toxic. I would > > >call the lab and ask for a better explanation or try and look up >the > > >informatioin if the have a web site and resources. I would also > > >look at Andy's comments on porphrine tests. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 I am glad you have a new doc, . I have a good doc too - It makes all the difference in the world. Laboratoire Philippe Auguste in France proposes a competent test based on 7 metabolites from one step in the synthesis of Heme (hemoglobin). It appears to be very sensitive to mercury/cadmium or/and Lead. I do not know for sure but I believe most other labs only assess one level lower than this. To do the test you need to request by e-mail a urinary porphyrins test kit. You will return an urine sample together with the received paper work and a credit card number for payment of 90 Euros. The results will follow by e-mail in a few weeks. Their test can really pin point mercury toxicitity or rule it out. The only reservation I have is the report interpretation is not very meaningful. However if you have a knowledge person assess the actual 7 metabolite concentrations one can finally know if the problem is really mercury - Ha! Hopes this helps - Dave > >Reply-To: frequent-dose-chelation >To: frequent-dose-chelation >Subject: Re: porphyrins test >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:28:00 -0000 > >Is there a preferred lab to get the prophyrins done? A new doc >actually suggested this. After years of asking others I'd not even >brought it up. I could not believe my ears! Does it have to be a 24 >hr urine or can the overnoc version yeild accurate results? Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please help. > > > > > > > > I have been chelating with DMPS for 6 months. > > > > This is the first urinary porphyrin test done so I > > > > do not have anything to compare it to. > > > > Recent chelation rounds have been free of > > > > fog and effect. Can I now stop chelating? > > > > > > > > >TK--- depends on your symptoms and problems. DMPS by itself only > > >chelates extracellular Hg and will not chelate intracellular Hg >what > > >is in your brain and organs. So it depends on how you are doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uroporphyrins I & III (UP) > > > > 11 [7-14] > > > > > > > > heptacarboxy porphyrin (7cxP) > > > > 1.4 [1.5-3.5] > > > > > > > > hexacarboxy porphyrin (6cxP) > > > > 1.0 [0.4-0.8] > > > > > > > > pentacarboxy porphyrin (5cxP) > > > > 5.3 [1.0-2.9] > > > > > > > > precoporphyrin (prCP) > > > > 22.6 [2-5] > > > > > > > > Coproporphyrins I & III (cP) > > > > 173 [50-80] > > > > > > > > prCP/UP > > > > 1.96 [0.3-0.6] > > > > > > > > UP/CP > > > > 0.06 [0.14-0.18] > > > > > > > > urinary creatinine 771 mg/l > > > > > > > > Lab Interpretation: > > > > " moderately increased pentacarboxy, precopro and coproporphyrin " > > > > " Urinary Porphyrin Profile suggestive a moderate toxic effect on > > >bodily > > > > physiology " > > > > > > > > What does this really mean? > > > > > > > > >TK--- Seems like it means you are still moderately toxic. I would > > >call the lab and ask for a better explanation or try and look up >the > > >informatioin if the have a web site and resources. I would also > > >look at Andy's comments on porphrine tests. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 I am glad you have a new doc, . I have a good doc too - It makes all the difference in the world. Laboratoire Philippe Auguste in France proposes a competent test based on 7 metabolites from one step in the synthesis of Heme (hemoglobin). It appears to be very sensitive to mercury/cadmium or/and Lead. I do not know for sure but I believe most other labs only assess one level lower than this. To do the test you need to request by e-mail a urinary porphyrins test kit. You will return an urine sample together with the received paper work and a credit card number for payment of 90 Euros. The results will follow by e-mail in a few weeks. Their test can really pin point mercury toxicitity or rule it out. The only reservation I have is the report interpretation is not very meaningful. However if you have a knowledge person assess the actual 7 metabolite concentrations one can finally know if the problem is really mercury - Ha! Hopes this helps - Dave > >Reply-To: frequent-dose-chelation >To: frequent-dose-chelation >Subject: Re: porphyrins test >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:28:00 -0000 > >Is there a preferred lab to get the prophyrins done? A new doc >actually suggested this. After years of asking others I'd not even >brought it up. I could not believe my ears! Does it have to be a 24 >hr urine or can the overnoc version yeild accurate results? Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please help. > > > > > > > > I have been chelating with DMPS for 6 months. > > > > This is the first urinary porphyrin test done so I > > > > do not have anything to compare it to. > > > > Recent chelation rounds have been free of > > > > fog and effect. Can I now stop chelating? > > > > > > > > >TK--- depends on your symptoms and problems. DMPS by itself only > > >chelates extracellular Hg and will not chelate intracellular Hg >what > > >is in your brain and organs. So it depends on how you are doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uroporphyrins I & III (UP) > > > > 11 [7-14] > > > > > > > > heptacarboxy porphyrin (7cxP) > > > > 1.4 [1.5-3.5] > > > > > > > > hexacarboxy porphyrin (6cxP) > > > > 1.0 [0.4-0.8] > > > > > > > > pentacarboxy porphyrin (5cxP) > > > > 5.3 [1.0-2.9] > > > > > > > > precoporphyrin (prCP) > > > > 22.6 [2-5] > > > > > > > > Coproporphyrins I & III (cP) > > > > 173 [50-80] > > > > > > > > prCP/UP > > > > 1.96 [0.3-0.6] > > > > > > > > UP/CP > > > > 0.06 [0.14-0.18] > > > > > > > > urinary creatinine 771 mg/l > > > > > > > > Lab Interpretation: > > > > " moderately increased pentacarboxy, precopro and coproporphyrin " > > > > " Urinary Porphyrin Profile suggestive a moderate toxic effect on > > >bodily > > > > physiology " > > > > > > > > What does this really mean? > > > > > > > > >TK--- Seems like it means you are still moderately toxic. I would > > >call the lab and ask for a better explanation or try and look up >the > > >informatioin if the have a web site and resources. I would also > > >look at Andy's comments on porphrine tests. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.