Re: Orthopedic/Podiatric Pain

[Guest guest]

>

> Anyhow, I notice that about 2 weeks after going gf (6 weeks ago) the

> pain subsided substantially, and now, I only have pain about once a

> week, ussually after walking a lot, and not every day. I'm not even

> wearing the orthotics, except in sneakers.

>

Loss of the fat pad on the bottom of the feet can be related, but I

don't know if it can reaccumulate in that short a period.

I lost the fat pad on the bottom of my feet. I have other mechanical

problems with my feet and require good shoes (New Balance country

walkers work well for my pain, but not so well for my vanity) and

custom orthoses. Nightly foot rubs help, too, and my husband is

willing to help with that, since the rub is often the difference

between needing a wheelchair again and actually being able to walk.

ygg

[Guest guest]

>

> Anyhow, I notice that about 2 weeks after going gf (6 weeks ago) the

> pain subsided substantially, and now, I only have pain about once a

> week, ussually after walking a lot, and not every day. I'm not even

> wearing the orthotics, except in sneakers.

>

Loss of the fat pad on the bottom of the feet can be related, but I

don't know if it can reaccumulate in that short a period.

I lost the fat pad on the bottom of my feet. I have other mechanical

problems with my feet and require good shoes (New Balance country

walkers work well for my pain, but not so well for my vanity) and

custom orthoses. Nightly foot rubs help, too, and my husband is

willing to help with that, since the rub is often the difference

between needing a wheelchair again and actually being able to walk.

ygg

[Guest guest]

>

> Anyhow, I notice that about 2 weeks after going gf (6 weeks ago) the

> pain subsided substantially, and now, I only have pain about once a

> week, ussually after walking a lot, and not every day. I'm not even

> wearing the orthotics, except in sneakers.

>

Loss of the fat pad on the bottom of the feet can be related, but I

don't know if it can reaccumulate in that short a period.

I lost the fat pad on the bottom of my feet. I have other mechanical

problems with my feet and require good shoes (New Balance country

walkers work well for my pain, but not so well for my vanity) and

custom orthoses. Nightly foot rubs help, too, and my husband is

willing to help with that, since the rub is often the difference

between needing a wheelchair again and actually being able to walk.

ygg

[Guest guest]

Marlo, I, also, have plantar fasciitis and have had it for about 10 years. I wish the gluten free diet would helpl, but I've been gluten free for 4 1/2 years now and it isn't better at all. Maybe it's because it took them 50 years diagnose me. But I'm still hoping it will get better. I don't wear orthotics, but I do wear a shoe called Z-Coil which does help. Shirley In San Diegomarlojill wrote: I just want to take an informal survey to see if anyone else had a similar experience. I notice people mentioning joint pain as symptom. For a number of years, I had severe (and I mean SEVERE) plantar fasciitis (heel pain caused by an inflamation in the soft tissue that holds your heel in position relative to the rest of your feet). I had to get orthotics, and all

new shoes that would hold the orthotics, and even with drugs, I only got moderate relief, and for short periods. If I had to walk a lot in one day, I couldn 't walk at all the next. I also had other non-specific foot pain in other parts of my feet that travelled and defied diagnosis. It was so bad that when I went to Europe a few years ago, I had to have special pressure bandages made for my feet by the podiatrist, and even then, they hurt so bad that the one day in my entire life I was in Monaco, I had too much pain to walk up on "The Rock"- this was in August of 2003, when I was 36. I couldn't even walk around my house without very cushy slippers, fine in winter, but a pain in summer.Anyhow, I notice that about 2 weeks after going gf (6 weeks ago) the pain subsided substantially, and now, I only have pain about once a week, ussually after walking a lot, and not every day. I'm not even wearing the orthotics, except in

sneakers. I'm hoping that this was celiac related, and the pain is gone for good so long as I remain on a gf diet. Has anybody had a similar experience, other than Dana's daughter, who had a dissipation of joint pain.P.S. We are taking a Mediteranean cruise in April, I am both apprehensive about the shipboard food, but excited that I can make it up that cliff this time. As we get closer in time, I will be soliciting advice from you about experiences with food in these types of situations- my experiences with cruises are that they will bend over backwards for special orders, but its still made in the same relatively small galley as everything else. So feel free to give advice on this topic also.Thanks, and I hope this note finds all of you having peace, joy health and the love of your families for Christmas, Channukah, Kwanzaa, Eids (Thank's for educating us, Sabreenas), New years, and soon, Chinese New

Years.Marlo

[Guest guest]

Marlo,

One of my biggest symptoms was lower back pain. It was gone within a week

of going GF. It only returns if I get glutened

Orthopedic/Podiatric Pain

>I just want to take an informal survey to see if anyone else had a

> similar experience. I notice people mentioning joint pain as

> symptom. For a number of years, I had severe (and I mean SEVERE)

> plantar fasciitis (heel pain caused by an inflamation in the soft

> tissue that holds your heel in position relative to the rest of your

> feet). I had to get orthotics, and all new shoes that would hold the

> orthotics, and even with drugs, I only got moderate relief, and for

> short periods. If I had to walk a lot in one day, I couldn 't walk

> at all the next. I also had other non-specific foot pain in other

> parts of my feet that travelled and defied diagnosis. It was so bad

> that when I went to Europe a few years ago, I had to have special

> pressure bandages made for my feet by the podiatrist, and even then,

> they hurt so bad that the one day in my entire life I was in Monaco,

> I had too much pain to walk up on " The Rock " - this was in August of

> 2003, when I was 36. I couldn't even walk around my house without

> very cushy slippers, fine in winter, but a pain in summer.

>

> Anyhow, I notice that about 2 weeks after going gf (6 weeks ago) the

> pain subsided substantially, and now, I only have pain about once a

> week, ussually after walking a lot, and not every day. I'm not even

> wearing the orthotics, except in sneakers.

>

> I'm hoping that this was celiac related, and the pain is gone for

> good so long as I remain on a gf diet. Has anybody had a similar

> experience, other than Dana's daughter, who had a dissipation of

> joint pain.

>

> P.S. We are taking a Mediteranean cruise in April, I am both

> apprehensive about the shipboard food, but excited that I can make

> it up that cliff this time. As we get closer in time, I will be

> soliciting advice from you about experiences with food in these

> types of situations- my experiences with cruises are that they will

> bend over backwards for special orders, but its still made in the

> same relatively small galley as everything else. So feel free to

> give advice on this topic also.

>

> Thanks, and I hope this note finds all of you having peace, joy

> health and the love of your families for Christmas, Channukah,

> Kwanzaa, Eids (Thank's for educating us, Sabreenas), New years, and

> soon, Chinese New Years.

>

> Marlo

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I had plantar fasciitis, too, last December. Only on one foot. My podiatrist shot it with cortisone and it felt much better. It finally when away, as my diet became more and more GF.

Gail in Houston

-- Re: Orthopedic/Podiatric Pain

Marlo, I, also, have plantar fasciitis and have had it for about 10 years. I wish the gluten free diet would helpl, but I've been gluten free for 4 1/2 years now and it isn't better at all. Maybe it's because it took them 50 years diagnose me. But I'm still hoping it will get better. I don't wear orthotics, but I do wear a shoe called Z-Coil which does help. Shirley In San Diegomarlojill wrote: I just want to take an informal survey to see if anyone else had a similar experience. I notice people mentioning joint pain as symptom. For a number of years, I had severe (and I mean SEVERE) plantar fasciitis (heel pain caused by an inflamation in the soft tissue that holds your heel in position relative to the rest of your feet). I had to get orthotics, and all new shoes that would hold the orthotics, and even with drugs, I only got moderate relief, and for short periods. If I had to walk a lot in one day, I couldn 't walk at all the next. I also had other non-specific foot pain in other parts of my feet that travelled and defied diagnosis. It was so bad that when I went to Europe a few years ago, I had to have special pressure bandages made for my feet by the podiatrist, and even then, they hurt so bad that the one day in my entire life I was in Monaco, I had too much pain to walk up on "The Rock"- this was in August of 2003, when I was 36. I couldn't even walk around my house without very cushy slippers, fine in winter, but a pain in summer.Anyhow, I notice that about 2 weeks after going gf (6 weeks ago) the pain subsided substantially, and now, I only have pain about once a week, ussually after walking a lot, and not every day. I'm not even wearing the orthotics, except in sneakers. I'm hoping that this was celiac related, and the pain is gone for good so long as I remain on a gf diet. Has anybody had a similar experience, other than Dana's daughter, who had a dissipation of joint pain.P.S. We are taking a Mediteranean cruise in April, I am both apprehensive about the shipboard food, but excited that I can make it up that cliff this time. As we get closer in time, I will be soliciting advice from you about experiences with food in these types of situations- my experiences with cruises are that they will bend over backwards for special orders, but its still made in the same relatively small galley as everything else. So feel free to give advice on this topic also.Thanks, and I hope this note finds all of you having peace, joy health and the love of your families for Christmas, Channukah, Kwanzaa, Eids (Thank's for educating us, Sabreenas), New years, and soon, Chinese New Years.Marlo

[Guest guest]

I had plantar fasciitis, too, last December. Only on one foot. My podiatrist shot it with cortisone and it felt much better. It finally when away, as my diet became more and more GF.

Gail in Houston

-- Re: Orthopedic/Podiatric Pain

Marlo, I, also, have plantar fasciitis and have had it for about 10 years. I wish the gluten free diet would helpl, but I've been gluten free for 4 1/2 years now and it isn't better at all. Maybe it's because it took them 50 years diagnose me. But I'm still hoping it will get better. I don't wear orthotics, but I do wear a shoe called Z-Coil which does help. Shirley In San Diegomarlojill wrote: I just want to take an informal survey to see if anyone else had a similar experience. I notice people mentioning joint pain as symptom. For a number of years, I had severe (and I mean SEVERE) plantar fasciitis (heel pain caused by an inflamation in the soft tissue that holds your heel in position relative to the rest of your feet). I had to get orthotics, and all new shoes that would hold the orthotics, and even with drugs, I only got moderate relief, and for short periods. If I had to walk a lot in one day, I couldn 't walk at all the next. I also had other non-specific foot pain in other parts of my feet that travelled and defied diagnosis. It was so bad that when I went to Europe a few years ago, I had to have special pressure bandages made for my feet by the podiatrist, and even then, they hurt so bad that the one day in my entire life I was in Monaco, I had too much pain to walk up on "The Rock"- this was in August of 2003, when I was 36. I couldn't even walk around my house without very cushy slippers, fine in winter, but a pain in summer.Anyhow, I notice that about 2 weeks after going gf (6 weeks ago) the pain subsided substantially, and now, I only have pain about once a week, ussually after walking a lot, and not every day. I'm not even wearing the orthotics, except in sneakers. I'm hoping that this was celiac related, and the pain is gone for good so long as I remain on a gf diet. Has anybody had a similar experience, other than Dana's daughter, who had a dissipation of joint pain.P.S. We are taking a Mediteranean cruise in April, I am both apprehensive about the shipboard food, but excited that I can make it up that cliff this time. As we get closer in time, I will be soliciting advice from you about experiences with food in these types of situations- my experiences with cruises are that they will bend over backwards for special orders, but its still made in the same relatively small galley as everything else. So feel free to give advice on this topic also.Thanks, and I hope this note finds all of you having peace, joy health and the love of your families for Christmas, Channukah, Kwanzaa, Eids (Thank's for educating us, Sabreenas), New years, and soon, Chinese New Years.Marlo

[Guest guest]

I had plantar fasciitis, too, last December. Only on one foot. My podiatrist shot it with cortisone and it felt much better. It finally when away, as my diet became more and more GF.

Gail in Houston

-- Re: Orthopedic/Podiatric Pain

Marlo, I, also, have plantar fasciitis and have had it for about 10 years. I wish the gluten free diet would helpl, but I've been gluten free for 4 1/2 years now and it isn't better at all. Maybe it's because it took them 50 years diagnose me. But I'm still hoping it will get better. I don't wear orthotics, but I do wear a shoe called Z-Coil which does help. Shirley In San Diegomarlojill wrote: I just want to take an informal survey to see if anyone else had a similar experience. I notice people mentioning joint pain as symptom. For a number of years, I had severe (and I mean SEVERE) plantar fasciitis (heel pain caused by an inflamation in the soft tissue that holds your heel in position relative to the rest of your feet). I had to get orthotics, and all new shoes that would hold the orthotics, and even with drugs, I only got moderate relief, and for short periods. If I had to walk a lot in one day, I couldn 't walk at all the next. I also had other non-specific foot pain in other parts of my feet that travelled and defied diagnosis. It was so bad that when I went to Europe a few years ago, I had to have special pressure bandages made for my feet by the podiatrist, and even then, they hurt so bad that the one day in my entire life I was in Monaco, I had too much pain to walk up on "The Rock"- this was in August of 2003, when I was 36. I couldn't even walk around my house without very cushy slippers, fine in winter, but a pain in summer.Anyhow, I notice that about 2 weeks after going gf (6 weeks ago) the pain subsided substantially, and now, I only have pain about once a week, ussually after walking a lot, and not every day. I'm not even wearing the orthotics, except in sneakers. I'm hoping that this was celiac related, and the pain is gone for good so long as I remain on a gf diet. Has anybody had a similar experience, other than Dana's daughter, who had a dissipation of joint pain.P.S. We are taking a Mediteranean cruise in April, I am both apprehensive about the shipboard food, but excited that I can make it up that cliff this time. As we get closer in time, I will be soliciting advice from you about experiences with food in these types of situations- my experiences with cruises are that they will bend over backwards for special orders, but its still made in the same relatively small galley as everything else. So feel free to give advice on this topic also.Thanks, and I hope this note finds all of you having peace, joy health and the love of your families for Christmas, Channukah, Kwanzaa, Eids (Thank's for educating us, Sabreenas), New years, and soon, Chinese New Years.Marlo

[Guest guest]

I too suffer from plantar fasciitis. It hasn't gotten any better

with being gluten free, but I am also on my feet a lot. There are

some things that you can do to help relieve the pain and it usually

gets better. I am a massage therapist and I know for a fact that

massaging helps. There are also some other techniques that I can

tell you about if you would like.

Rhiannon

-- In SillyYaks , " - " <gcevans@h...> wrote:

>

> I had plantar fasciitis, too, last December. Only on one foot. My

podiatrist

> shot it with cortisone and it felt much better. It finally when

away, as my

> diet became more and more GF.

>

> Gail in Houston

>

> -- Re: Orthopedic/Podiatric Pain

>

> Marlo, I, also, have plantar fasciitis and have had it for about

10 years.

> I wish the gluten free diet would helpl, but I've been gluten free

for 4 1/2

> years now and it isn't better at all. Maybe it's because it took

them 50

> years diagnose me. But I'm still hoping it will get better. I

don't wear

> orthotics, but I do wear a shoe called Z-Coil which does help.

Shirley In

> San Diego

>

> marlojill <marlohittman@h...> wrote:

> I just want to take an informal survey to see if anyone else had a

> similar experience. I notice people mentioning joint pain as

> symptom. For a number of years, I had severe (and I mean SEVERE)

> plantar fasciitis (heel pain caused by an inflamation in the soft

> tissue that holds your heel in position relative to the rest of

your

> feet). I had to get orthotics, and all new shoes that would hold

the

> orthotics, and even with drugs, I only got moderate relief, and

for

> short periods. If I had to walk a lot in one day, I couldn 't walk

> at all the next. I also had other non-specific foot pain in other

> parts of my feet that travelled and defied diagnosis. It was so

bad

> that when I went to Europe a few years ago, I had to have special

> pressure bandages made for my feet by the podiatrist, and even

then,

> they hurt so bad that the one day in my entire life I was in

Monaco,

> I had too much pain to walk up on " The Rock " - this was in August

of

> 2003, when I was 36. I couldn't even walk around my house without

> very cushy slippers, fine in winter, but a pain in summer.

>

> Anyhow, I notice that about 2 weeks after going gf (6 weeks ago)

the

> pain subsided substantially, and now, I only have pain about once

a

> week, ussually after walking a lot, and not every day. I'm not

even

> wearing the orthotics, except in sneakers.

>

> I'm hoping that this was celiac related, and the pain is gone for

> good so long as I remain on a gf diet. Has anybody had a similar

> experience, other than Dana's daughter, who had a dissipation of

> joint pain.

>

> P.S. We are taking a Mediteranean cruise in April, I am both

> apprehensive about the shipboard food, but excited that I can make

> it up that cliff this time. As we get closer in time, I will be

> soliciting advice from you about experiences with food in these

> types of situations- my experiences with cruises are that they

will

> bend over backwards for special orders, but its still made in the

> same relatively small galley as everything else. So feel free to

> give advice on this topic also.

>

> Thanks, and I hope this note finds all of you having peace, joy

> health and the love of your families for Christmas, Channukah,

> Kwanzaa, Eids (Thank's for educating us, Sabreenas), New years,

and

> soon, Chinese New Years.

>

> Marlo

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Don't get cortisone shots if you don't have to. It builds up a

great deal of scar tissue and in the long run could be more

painful. It also doesn't fix anything. It temporarily masks the

pain, but doesn't do much else. It does help some people and others

not at all. Just a suggestion....not telling anyone what to do.

Rhiannon

> I just want to take an informal survey to see if anyone else had a

> similar experience. I notice people mentioning joint pain as

> symptom. For a number of years, I had severe (and I mean SEVERE)

> plantar fasciitis (heel pain caused by an inflamation in the soft

> tissue that holds your heel in position relative to the rest of

your

> feet). I had to get orthotics, and all new shoes that would hold

the

> orthotics, and even with drugs, I only got moderate relief, and

for

> short periods. If I had to walk a lot in one day, I couldn 't walk

> at all the next. I also had other non-specific foot pain in other

> parts of my feet that travelled and defied diagnosis. It was so

bad

> that when I went to Europe a few years ago, I had to have special

> pressure bandages made for my feet by the podiatrist, and even

then,

> they hurt so bad that the one day in my entire life I was in

Monaco,

> I had too much pain to walk up on " The Rock " - this was in August

of

> 2003, when I was 36. I couldn't even walk around my house without

> very cushy slippers, fine in winter, but a pain in summer.

>

> Anyhow, I notice that about 2 weeks after going gf (6 weeks ago)

the

> pain subsided substantially, and now, I only have pain about once

a

> week, ussually after walking a lot, and not every day. I'm not

even

> wearing the orthotics, except in sneakers.

>

> I'm hoping that this was celiac related, and the pain is gone for

> good so long as I remain on a gf diet. Has anybody had a similar

> experience, other than Dana's daughter, who had a dissipation of

> joint pain.

>

> P.S. We are taking a Mediteranean cruise in April, I am both

> apprehensive about the shipboard food, but excited that I can make

> it up that cliff this time. As we get closer in time, I will be

> soliciting advice from you about experiences with food in these

> types of situations- my experiences with cruises are that they

will

> bend over backwards for special orders, but its still made in the

> same relatively small galley as everything else. So feel free to

> give advice on this topic also.

>

> Thanks, and I hope this note finds all of you having peace, joy

> health and the love of your families for Christmas, Channukah,

> Kwanzaa, Eids (Thank's for educating us, Sabreenas), New years,

and

> soon, Chinese New Years.

>

> Marlo

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's great to do stretches. The plantar fascia is actually on the

bottom of the foot though from the heal to the ball on the inside of

the foot, so you need to work on that too. A GREAT thing to do if

you have problems often is to freeze a plain old bottle of water.

At night before you go to bed take a golf ball and roll your foot on

it for 5 minutes, putting a great deal of pressure on it (as much as

you can tolerate). Then get out the ice bottle and roll your foot on

it for 5 minute's or so (as long as you can tolerate it). After

that do some calf stretches and try to do it for 5 minutes. I can

give you those too if you need them. Hopefully in the morning, when

most people with it have pain with the first steps of the day, you

will feel better. Do that as often as you need to. If you have any

more questions, feel free to ask and I can try to help.

Sorry to those of you that this is off the beaten track of celiac

stuff. I just wanted to give this info. to those that have it and

are interested.

Rhiannon

> > I just want to take an informal survey to see if anyone else had

a

> > similar experience. I notice people mentioning joint pain as

> > symptom. For a number of years, I had severe (and I mean SEVERE)

> > plantar fasciitis (heel pain caused by an inflamation in the

soft

> > tissue that holds your heel in position relative to the rest of

> your

> > feet). I had to get orthotics, and all new shoes that would hold

> the

> > orthotics, and even with drugs, I only got moderate relief, and

> for

> > short periods. If I had to walk a lot in one day, I couldn 't

walk

> > at all the next. I also had other non-specific foot pain in

other

> > parts of my feet that travelled and defied diagnosis. It was so

> bad

> > that when I went to Europe a few years ago, I had to have

special

> > pressure bandages made for my feet by the podiatrist, and even

> then,

> > they hurt so bad that the one day in my entire life I was in

> Monaco,

> > I had too much pain to walk up on " The Rock " - this was in August

> of

> > 2003, when I was 36. I couldn't even walk around my house

without

> > very cushy slippers, fine in winter, but a pain in summer.

> >

> > Anyhow, I notice that about 2 weeks after going gf (6 weeks ago)

> the

> > pain subsided substantially, and now, I only have pain about

once

> a

> > week, ussually after walking a lot, and not every day. I'm not

> even

> > wearing the orthotics, except in sneakers.

> >

> > I'm hoping that this was celiac related, and the pain is gone

for

> > good so long as I remain on a gf diet. Has anybody had a similar

> > experience, other than Dana's daughter, who had a dissipation of

> > joint pain.

> >

> > P.S. We are taking a Mediteranean cruise in April, I am both

> > apprehensive about the shipboard food, but excited that I can

make

> > it up that cliff this time. As we get closer in time, I will be

> > soliciting advice from you about experiences with food in these

> > types of situations- my experiences with cruises are that they

> will

> > bend over backwards for special orders, but its still made in

the

> > same relatively small galley as everything else. So feel free to

> > give advice on this topic also.

> >

> > Thanks, and I hope this note finds all of you having peace, joy

> > health and the love of your families for Christmas, Channukah,

> > Kwanzaa, Eids (Thank's for educating us, Sabreenas), New years,

> and

> > soon, Chinese New Years.

> >

> > Marlo

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

That's great to do stretches. The plantar fascia is actually on the

bottom of the foot though from the heal to the ball on the inside of

the foot, so you need to work on that too. A GREAT thing to do if

you have problems often is to freeze a plain old bottle of water.

At night before you go to bed take a golf ball and roll your foot on

it for 5 minutes, putting a great deal of pressure on it (as much as

you can tolerate). Then get out the ice bottle and roll your foot on

it for 5 minute's or so (as long as you can tolerate it). After

that do some calf stretches and try to do it for 5 minutes. I can

give you those too if you need them. Hopefully in the morning, when

most people with it have pain with the first steps of the day, you

will feel better. Do that as often as you need to. If you have any

more questions, feel free to ask and I can try to help.

Sorry to those of you that this is off the beaten track of celiac

stuff. I just wanted to give this info. to those that have it and

are interested.

Rhiannon

> > I just want to take an informal survey to see if anyone else had

a

> > similar experience. I notice people mentioning joint pain as

> > symptom. For a number of years, I had severe (and I mean SEVERE)

> > plantar fasciitis (heel pain caused by an inflamation in the

soft

> > tissue that holds your heel in position relative to the rest of

> your

> > feet). I had to get orthotics, and all new shoes that would hold

> the

> > orthotics, and even with drugs, I only got moderate relief, and

> for

> > short periods. If I had to walk a lot in one day, I couldn 't

walk

> > at all the next. I also had other non-specific foot pain in

other

> > parts of my feet that travelled and defied diagnosis. It was so

> bad

> > that when I went to Europe a few years ago, I had to have

special

> > pressure bandages made for my feet by the podiatrist, and even

> then,

> > they hurt so bad that the one day in my entire life I was in

> Monaco,

> > I had too much pain to walk up on " The Rock " - this was in August

> of

> > 2003, when I was 36. I couldn't even walk around my house

without

> > very cushy slippers, fine in winter, but a pain in summer.

> >

> > Anyhow, I notice that about 2 weeks after going gf (6 weeks ago)

> the

> > pain subsided substantially, and now, I only have pain about

once

> a

> > week, ussually after walking a lot, and not every day. I'm not

> even

> > wearing the orthotics, except in sneakers.

> >

> > I'm hoping that this was celiac related, and the pain is gone

for

> > good so long as I remain on a gf diet. Has anybody had a similar

> > experience, other than Dana's daughter, who had a dissipation of

> > joint pain.

> >

> > P.S. We are taking a Mediteranean cruise in April, I am both

> > apprehensive about the shipboard food, but excited that I can

make

> > it up that cliff this time. As we get closer in time, I will be

> > soliciting advice from you about experiences with food in these

> > types of situations- my experiences with cruises are that they

> will

> > bend over backwards for special orders, but its still made in

the

> > same relatively small galley as everything else. So feel free to

> > give advice on this topic also.

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> > Thanks, and I hope this note finds all of you having peace, joy

> > health and the love of your families for Christmas, Channukah,

> > Kwanzaa, Eids (Thank's for educating us, Sabreenas), New years,

> and

> > soon, Chinese New Years.

> >

> > Marlo

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