Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Well, this is very interesting, If what I am reading is true, then Andy Cutler is right, and everybody at the NTH forum is dead wrong, along with most of the specialists out these. Am I understanding this correctly? I have plenty of Cytomel on hand. Is this informaiotn you are giving me suggesting that I need to start trying to work with that? HOw are you doing on straight T3? Once when I had run out of Armour, I tried substituting with Cytomel for about a week and a half, and ended up getting very sick until my Armour arrived. The very first little nibble I took off the T3 tablet made my heart race all over the place. Later on, I have able to take little bits without this racing. , I am SOOooo confused now. I don't know what to think, what to take, where to go, what to read who to believe or what do do. ????????????????????????? Inga > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/adult-metal-chelation/message/532 > > There are 2 forms of thyroid hormone. T3 and T4. T4 is the one that > causes all the hyperthyroid symptoms people expect. Elevated T3 > doesn't cause those. It does cause euphoria. Many psychiatrists use > it as an antidepressant. > > Andy > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/adult-metal-chelation/message/554 > > Actually, it is T4 that makes your heart go thumpity thump (there are > T4 receptors on the heart - cardiologists know this and this is why > hypERthyroidism as in Graves Disease is treated with large doses of T3 > - the T3 suppresses endogenous productioin of T4 and thus protects the > heart. T4 also seems to be what elevates blood pressure and gives you > the runs. T3 is euphoric and has not that much other peripheral > effect. The brain does NOT make it's own T3, another superstition > that leads to a lot of inappropriate prescribing. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 > > i listen to what andy has to say, and i have found that what he says > is consistent with everything that i have tried, including the cortef > and thyoid medications. > that has pretty much been my experience as well, so that is why I am listening. > > I have plenty of Cytomel on hand. Is this informaiotn you are > giving me > > suggesting that I need to start trying to work with that? > > i had to switch from an armour like product - because of short supply > in canada - to synthroid plus cytomel last summer. i found the > cytomel was very hard on my adrenals. i was having a real tough time > on the cytomel and felt way better instantly when i finally got > sustained release t3. BUt I thought you said that you stopped taking any of the T4, no? > > i think that the half life of t3 is very short, so with cytomel a > person gets too much too fast and then too little for a bit before the > next dose. a person with strong adrenals may be able to cope with it, > but i couldn't. Right, right...and when I ran out of Armour once last year, I tried to replace with Cytomel for several days and got quite ill......got almost immediately better when the Armour arrived > > > HOw are you doing on straight T3? > > > > really good, but it has to be time release. So you feel a large difference between jsut the T3, than when you were dong T3 + T4? Wish I could get some. timed release. I nibbled on a little piece of Cytomel the first half of today, and felt quite decent today. I am thinking it may indeed be from the Cytomel. > > right now i am on sr t3 only, no synthroid. > > when i was taking synthroid plus sr t3 i found that my resting pulse > was often at 90 bpm when i measured it. i gradually weaned off the > synthroid. now when i measure my pulse it is often around 70. and i > don't notice the heart racing as much as i used too. Wow! That is very significant. How much Tr are you taking and how much were you taking when your heart was racing like that? > > i really don't see how you can do this without a 'good' doctor and > some tests. > > i expect that sustained release t3 would only be available by > prescription. Right > > aren't there some sort of programs in the USA for people who can't > afford to see a doctor, question mark, shift key still isn't working. Not if they have a trust fund and insurance. But the Trustee is sending almost none of my money, attorneys I have talked to will not do any work towards the trust on contingency, and believe me I have tried,, and I can not afford to pay the deductible on the insurance, not to mention they do not cover hardly anything after that deductible is met, unless it is very mainstream stuff and through their own MDs. > > if you could spend some money for a doctor now it might prevent an > emergency room visit later. > > could you take a bus to seattle to see julie anderson for an hour, > question mark. Well, I have talked to them a couple of times but that would cost so much, I mean, I would still have to pay for all the testting, and the gas to get out there, (about 900 miles, I think) etc..... I have thought about seeing her, though, but what good would it be without getting any tests done? Also, do you happen to know if she works with the bioidentical hormones? I am pretty sure my estrogen is way low...... > > my prayers are with you. Thank you. I went back on the hydrocortisone a couple of days ago and coupled with taking the cytomel today, I feel quite hopeful....am feeling quasi-normalish in my brain today. I thought that my life and mental sense of well being had gone out the window, but today gave me hope. ~Inga > > linda j > > > Inga > > > > > > > > > > > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/adult-metal-chelation/message/532 > > > > > > There are 2 forms of thyroid hormone. T3 and T4. T4 is the one > that > > > causes all the hyperthyroid symptoms people expect. Elevated T3 > > > doesn't cause those. It does cause euphoria. Many psychiatrists > use > > > it as an antidepressant. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/adult-metal-chelation/message/554 > > > > > > Actually, it is T4 that makes your heart go thumpity thump (there > are > > > T4 receptors on the heart - cardiologists know this and this is > why > > > hypERthyroidism as in Graves Disease is treated with large doses > of T3 > > > - the T3 suppresses endogenous productioin of T4 and thus > protects the > > > heart. T4 also seems to be what elevates blood pressure and gives > you > > > the runs. T3 is euphoric and has not that much other peripheral > > > effect. The brain does NOT make it's own T3, another superstition > > > that leads to a lot of inappropriate prescribing. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 > > i listen to what andy has to say, and i have found that what he says > is consistent with everything that i have tried, including the cortef > and thyoid medications. > that has pretty much been my experience as well, so that is why I am listening. > > I have plenty of Cytomel on hand. Is this informaiotn you are > giving me > > suggesting that I need to start trying to work with that? > > i had to switch from an armour like product - because of short supply > in canada - to synthroid plus cytomel last summer. i found the > cytomel was very hard on my adrenals. i was having a real tough time > on the cytomel and felt way better instantly when i finally got > sustained release t3. BUt I thought you said that you stopped taking any of the T4, no? > > i think that the half life of t3 is very short, so with cytomel a > person gets too much too fast and then too little for a bit before the > next dose. a person with strong adrenals may be able to cope with it, > but i couldn't. Right, right...and when I ran out of Armour once last year, I tried to replace with Cytomel for several days and got quite ill......got almost immediately better when the Armour arrived > > > HOw are you doing on straight T3? > > > > really good, but it has to be time release. So you feel a large difference between jsut the T3, than when you were dong T3 + T4? Wish I could get some. timed release. I nibbled on a little piece of Cytomel the first half of today, and felt quite decent today. I am thinking it may indeed be from the Cytomel. > > right now i am on sr t3 only, no synthroid. > > when i was taking synthroid plus sr t3 i found that my resting pulse > was often at 90 bpm when i measured it. i gradually weaned off the > synthroid. now when i measure my pulse it is often around 70. and i > don't notice the heart racing as much as i used too. Wow! That is very significant. How much Tr are you taking and how much were you taking when your heart was racing like that? > > i really don't see how you can do this without a 'good' doctor and > some tests. > > i expect that sustained release t3 would only be available by > prescription. Right > > aren't there some sort of programs in the USA for people who can't > afford to see a doctor, question mark, shift key still isn't working. Not if they have a trust fund and insurance. But the Trustee is sending almost none of my money, attorneys I have talked to will not do any work towards the trust on contingency, and believe me I have tried,, and I can not afford to pay the deductible on the insurance, not to mention they do not cover hardly anything after that deductible is met, unless it is very mainstream stuff and through their own MDs. > > if you could spend some money for a doctor now it might prevent an > emergency room visit later. > > could you take a bus to seattle to see julie anderson for an hour, > question mark. Well, I have talked to them a couple of times but that would cost so much, I mean, I would still have to pay for all the testting, and the gas to get out there, (about 900 miles, I think) etc..... I have thought about seeing her, though, but what good would it be without getting any tests done? Also, do you happen to know if she works with the bioidentical hormones? I am pretty sure my estrogen is way low...... > > my prayers are with you. Thank you. I went back on the hydrocortisone a couple of days ago and coupled with taking the cytomel today, I feel quite hopeful....am feeling quasi-normalish in my brain today. I thought that my life and mental sense of well being had gone out the window, but today gave me hope. ~Inga > > linda j > > > Inga > > > > > > > > > > > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/adult-metal-chelation/message/532 > > > > > > There are 2 forms of thyroid hormone. T3 and T4. T4 is the one > that > > > causes all the hyperthyroid symptoms people expect. Elevated T3 > > > doesn't cause those. It does cause euphoria. Many psychiatrists > use > > > it as an antidepressant. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/adult-metal-chelation/message/554 > > > > > > Actually, it is T4 that makes your heart go thumpity thump (there > are > > > T4 receptors on the heart - cardiologists know this and this is > why > > > hypERthyroidism as in Graves Disease is treated with large doses > of T3 > > > - the T3 suppresses endogenous productioin of T4 and thus > protects the > > > heart. T4 also seems to be what elevates blood pressure and gives > you > > > the runs. T3 is euphoric and has not that much other peripheral > > > effect. The brain does NOT make it's own T3, another superstition > > > that leads to a lot of inappropriate prescribing. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 > > i listen to what andy has to say, and i have found that what he says > is consistent with everything that i have tried, including the cortef > and thyoid medications. > that has pretty much been my experience as well, so that is why I am listening. > > I have plenty of Cytomel on hand. Is this informaiotn you are > giving me > > suggesting that I need to start trying to work with that? > > i had to switch from an armour like product - because of short supply > in canada - to synthroid plus cytomel last summer. i found the > cytomel was very hard on my adrenals. i was having a real tough time > on the cytomel and felt way better instantly when i finally got > sustained release t3. BUt I thought you said that you stopped taking any of the T4, no? > > i think that the half life of t3 is very short, so with cytomel a > person gets too much too fast and then too little for a bit before the > next dose. a person with strong adrenals may be able to cope with it, > but i couldn't. Right, right...and when I ran out of Armour once last year, I tried to replace with Cytomel for several days and got quite ill......got almost immediately better when the Armour arrived > > > HOw are you doing on straight T3? > > > > really good, but it has to be time release. So you feel a large difference between jsut the T3, than when you were dong T3 + T4? Wish I could get some. timed release. I nibbled on a little piece of Cytomel the first half of today, and felt quite decent today. I am thinking it may indeed be from the Cytomel. > > right now i am on sr t3 only, no synthroid. > > when i was taking synthroid plus sr t3 i found that my resting pulse > was often at 90 bpm when i measured it. i gradually weaned off the > synthroid. now when i measure my pulse it is often around 70. and i > don't notice the heart racing as much as i used too. Wow! That is very significant. How much Tr are you taking and how much were you taking when your heart was racing like that? > > i really don't see how you can do this without a 'good' doctor and > some tests. > > i expect that sustained release t3 would only be available by > prescription. Right > > aren't there some sort of programs in the USA for people who can't > afford to see a doctor, question mark, shift key still isn't working. Not if they have a trust fund and insurance. But the Trustee is sending almost none of my money, attorneys I have talked to will not do any work towards the trust on contingency, and believe me I have tried,, and I can not afford to pay the deductible on the insurance, not to mention they do not cover hardly anything after that deductible is met, unless it is very mainstream stuff and through their own MDs. > > if you could spend some money for a doctor now it might prevent an > emergency room visit later. > > could you take a bus to seattle to see julie anderson for an hour, > question mark. Well, I have talked to them a couple of times but that would cost so much, I mean, I would still have to pay for all the testting, and the gas to get out there, (about 900 miles, I think) etc..... I have thought about seeing her, though, but what good would it be without getting any tests done? Also, do you happen to know if she works with the bioidentical hormones? I am pretty sure my estrogen is way low...... > > my prayers are with you. Thank you. I went back on the hydrocortisone a couple of days ago and coupled with taking the cytomel today, I feel quite hopeful....am feeling quasi-normalish in my brain today. I thought that my life and mental sense of well being had gone out the window, but today gave me hope. ~Inga > > linda j > > > Inga > > > > > > > > > > > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/adult-metal-chelation/message/532 > > > > > > There are 2 forms of thyroid hormone. T3 and T4. T4 is the one > that > > > causes all the hyperthyroid symptoms people expect. Elevated T3 > > > doesn't cause those. It does cause euphoria. Many psychiatrists > use > > > it as an antidepressant. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/adult-metal-chelation/message/554 > > > > > > Actually, it is T4 that makes your heart go thumpity thump (there > are > > > T4 receptors on the heart - cardiologists know this and this is > why > > > hypERthyroidism as in Graves Disease is treated with large doses > of T3 > > > - the T3 suppresses endogenous productioin of T4 and thus > protects the > > > heart. T4 also seems to be what elevates blood pressure and gives > you > > > the runs. T3 is euphoric and has not that much other peripheral > > > effect. The brain does NOT make it's own T3, another superstition > > > that leads to a lot of inappropriate prescribing. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Now that is a really good idea! I started with nibbling on 25 mcg of Cytomel per day, added to the Armour I had been taking. Today I went up close to 50 Mcg. I am definitley feeling better with adding this T3, and am having no heart poudning like I was before. Yes, forunatley, my adrenals seem to have healed quite a bit since last year when I first starting taking the steroids. I too, was crashing badly last year..... Thank you so much, ~Inga > > i just got another brain wave. > > first phone the nearest compounding pharmacy and ask for the names of > doctors who prescribe sustained release t3 for their patients. > > then phone around and find a doctor who will prescribe sustained > release t3. make it clear on the phone that you will only pay for the > visit if you get the prescription. > > i know, you are isolated out in the mountains somewhere. > > just a thought. there has to be some way. > > gtg > > linda j > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Now that is a really good idea! I started with nibbling on 25 mcg of Cytomel per day, added to the Armour I had been taking. Today I went up close to 50 Mcg. I am definitley feeling better with adding this T3, and am having no heart poudning like I was before. Yes, forunatley, my adrenals seem to have healed quite a bit since last year when I first starting taking the steroids. I too, was crashing badly last year..... Thank you so much, ~Inga > > i just got another brain wave. > > first phone the nearest compounding pharmacy and ask for the names of > doctors who prescribe sustained release t3 for their patients. > > then phone around and find a doctor who will prescribe sustained > release t3. make it clear on the phone that you will only pay for the > visit if you get the prescription. > > i know, you are isolated out in the mountains somewhere. > > just a thought. there has to be some way. > > gtg > > linda j > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Now that is a really good idea! I started with nibbling on 25 mcg of Cytomel per day, added to the Armour I had been taking. Today I went up close to 50 Mcg. I am definitley feeling better with adding this T3, and am having no heart poudning like I was before. Yes, forunatley, my adrenals seem to have healed quite a bit since last year when I first starting taking the steroids. I too, was crashing badly last year..... Thank you so much, ~Inga > > i just got another brain wave. > > first phone the nearest compounding pharmacy and ask for the names of > doctors who prescribe sustained release t3 for their patients. > > then phone around and find a doctor who will prescribe sustained > release t3. make it clear on the phone that you will only pay for the > visit if you get the prescription. > > i know, you are isolated out in the mountains somewhere. > > just a thought. there has to be some way. > > gtg > > linda j > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 I would wager that as a good guess. I have been chelating rather gingerly though, but been going at it for almost 2 1/2 years now. ~Inga > I wonder if all the chelating that you have been doing has taken > enough mercury out of some critical places and maybe that is why your > adrenal problem seems to be getting better. Sure hope so. Maybe > there's even hope for me..... > > Take Care > > J > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 I would wager that as a good guess. I have been chelating rather gingerly though, but been going at it for almost 2 1/2 years now. ~Inga > I wonder if all the chelating that you have been doing has taken > enough mercury out of some critical places and maybe that is why your > adrenal problem seems to be getting better. Sure hope so. Maybe > there's even hope for me..... > > Take Care > > J > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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