Re: My first two rounds on DMSA...

June 28, 2006

Thanks ... do you mean Primal Defense by Garden of Life.. where

can I get more info about this product ? do you know by chance if

there is a Yahoo support group for yeast/candida people?

Have a good day,

Michel

> > About tightness in the abdomen being a classic symptom of yeast

> > overgrowth, where can I find details about this particular point.

>

> You can't - most of the good info about yeast is folklore - i.e.

only

> known to those who are suffering through it. You won't find it in

any

> books unfortunately.

>

> > In my case this 'tightness' becomes very serious after my main

> > meal..

> > and I have to lay down sometimes..for a few minutes and then I am

> > ok.. So, you might be right, it might be due to yeast

overgrowth..

> > Is there a way to figure it out more accurately?

>

> One way would be to either have a colonic or try something like

primal

> defense. If the tightness goes away you know it is intestinal (most

> likely yeast).

>

> If you have an aversion to damp, then that is another classic sign

of

> yeast. Presumably you aren't bloated - because thats a dead give

away.

>

> You could try taking antifungals - if your intestines start hurting

> then you know you have yeast.

>

> Or you could just try an anti-candida diet and see if that makes you

> feel better - if it does then again presume you have yeast.

>

> Bottom line is that mercury causes yeast in many/most of us, so if

you

> suspect yeast, you have yeast.

>

> .

> P.S. many people with yeast find that DMSA in particular aggrevates

> it, so you might want to keep a watch out for increased symptoms.

> Personally I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole, but others do well

on it.

>

June 28, 2006

Thanks ... do you mean Primal Defense by Garden of Life.. where

can I get more info about this product ? do you know by chance if

there is a Yahoo support group for yeast/candida people?

Have a good day,

Michel

> > About tightness in the abdomen being a classic symptom of yeast

> > overgrowth, where can I find details about this particular point.

>

> You can't - most of the good info about yeast is folklore - i.e.

only

> known to those who are suffering through it. You won't find it in

any

> books unfortunately.

>

> > In my case this 'tightness' becomes very serious after my main

> > meal..

> > and I have to lay down sometimes..for a few minutes and then I am

> > ok.. So, you might be right, it might be due to yeast

overgrowth..

> > Is there a way to figure it out more accurately?

>

> One way would be to either have a colonic or try something like

primal

> defense. If the tightness goes away you know it is intestinal (most

> likely yeast).

>

> If you have an aversion to damp, then that is another classic sign

of

> yeast. Presumably you aren't bloated - because thats a dead give

away.

>

> You could try taking antifungals - if your intestines start hurting

> then you know you have yeast.

>

> Or you could just try an anti-candida diet and see if that makes you

> feel better - if it does then again presume you have yeast.

>

> Bottom line is that mercury causes yeast in many/most of us, so if

you

> suspect yeast, you have yeast.

>

> .

> P.S. many people with yeast find that DMSA in particular aggrevates

> it, so you might want to keep a watch out for increased symptoms.

> Personally I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole, but others do well

on it.

>

June 28, 2006

Thanks ... do you mean Primal Defense by Garden of Life.. where

can I get more info about this product ? do you know by chance if

there is a Yahoo support group for yeast/candida people?

Have a good day,

Michel

> > About tightness in the abdomen being a classic symptom of yeast

> > overgrowth, where can I find details about this particular point.

>

> You can't - most of the good info about yeast is folklore - i.e.

only

> known to those who are suffering through it. You won't find it in

any

> books unfortunately.

>

> > In my case this 'tightness' becomes very serious after my main

> > meal..

> > and I have to lay down sometimes..for a few minutes and then I am

> > ok.. So, you might be right, it might be due to yeast

overgrowth..

> > Is there a way to figure it out more accurately?

>

> One way would be to either have a colonic or try something like

primal

> defense. If the tightness goes away you know it is intestinal (most

> likely yeast).

>

> If you have an aversion to damp, then that is another classic sign

of

> yeast. Presumably you aren't bloated - because thats a dead give

away.

>

> You could try taking antifungals - if your intestines start hurting

> then you know you have yeast.

>

> Or you could just try an anti-candida diet and see if that makes you

> feel better - if it does then again presume you have yeast.

>

> Bottom line is that mercury causes yeast in many/most of us, so if

you

> suspect yeast, you have yeast.

>

> .

> P.S. many people with yeast find that DMSA in particular aggrevates

> it, so you might want to keep a watch out for increased symptoms.

> Personally I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole, but others do well

on it.

>

June 28, 2006

Hi Bill,

Thanks for your input.. could you please tell us more why 'Primal

Defense' is not that good? and about your own experience with Dr.

Ohira's Probiotics Plus... what did it do exactly to give you such a

good opinion on it..

Sorry, but I am trying to find out, I am quite ignorant in this

field..

Have a good day,

Michel

>

> Hey guys,

>

> Just my opinion, but Primal Defense is not that good of a

product. The

> BEST probiotic BY FAR is Dr. Ohhira's Probiotics Plus. It takes 5

years to

> make and is pretty special.

>

> Bill

>

June 28, 2006

Hi Bill,

Thanks for your input.. could you please tell us more why 'Primal

Defense' is not that good? and about your own experience with Dr.

Ohira's Probiotics Plus... what did it do exactly to give you such a

good opinion on it..

Sorry, but I am trying to find out, I am quite ignorant in this

field..

Have a good day,

Michel

>

> Hey guys,

>

> Just my opinion, but Primal Defense is not that good of a

product. The

> BEST probiotic BY FAR is Dr. Ohhira's Probiotics Plus. It takes 5

years to

> make and is pretty special.

>

> Bill

>

June 28, 2006

Hi Bill,

Thanks for your input.. could you please tell us more why 'Primal

Defense' is not that good? and about your own experience with Dr.

Ohira's Probiotics Plus... what did it do exactly to give you such a

good opinion on it..

Sorry, but I am trying to find out, I am quite ignorant in this

field..

Have a good day,

Michel

>

> Hey guys,

>

> Just my opinion, but Primal Defense is not that good of a

product. The

> BEST probiotic BY FAR is Dr. Ohhira's Probiotics Plus. It takes 5

years to

> make and is pretty special.

>

> Bill

>

June 28, 2006

Hi ,

I got today a product called " Caproil " from Inno-Vite (caprylic

acid).. they say to take between one teaspoon and one tablespoon a

day.. but they add that this product is most effective if taken with

their 'kit' of candida buster, which includes psyllim and bentonite...

Do I have to use these other things with it, or I can just take the

caproil by itself? I am asking because I don't do well with

psyllium.. it had constipated me in the past..!!

Also at the health food store one lady advised me about another

product that works better for candida she says.. it is a mixture of 6

essential oils.. (so I got it also !)

I just want to mention that I haven't taken any more GSE for the last

two days.. I am almost back to normal.. no more digestive disturbance

at all.. the only thing left is the pulling on my right side (in my

abdomen) but this symptom I have from time to time (even without

taking DMSA)... so I am thinking of starting another round soon..

Take care,

Michel

> > >

> > > --- In frequent-dose-chelation , " mamike84 "

> > >>

> > > Do you have a white coating on your tongue? Or unusual redness?

> > > If you can get liquid probiotics, you might try swishing it

around

> > > in your mouth before swallowing. If the problem is bacteria or

> > > yeast, that would help.

> > >

> > > Did you feel any reaction to the grapefruit seed extract

(GSE)?

> > > GSE is both antifungal and antibacterial. It will also kill

the

> > > good bacteria. I try to avoid it for that reason, though I

have

> > > found it very effective at times.

> > >

> > > I like caprylic acid on a regular basis. Coconut oil contains

> > > caprylic acid, so you can try that as well. Tanalbit, oil of

> > > oregano, rx antifungals, and there are others. Different

things

> > > work better, or are more tolerable for different people.

> > >

> > > I managed dysbiosis (yeast/bacteria) with diet and probiotics

> > > for several years before I started chelating. When I started

> > > chelation, I needed to use antifungals again.

> > >

> > > I think oil of oregano probably works for bacteria, not sure

> > > about caprylic acid. GSE is often effective for bacteria.

> > > I'm sure there are others, but don't remember.

> > >

> > > It seems likely that has something to do with the bile flow.

> > > I don't know much about this, but I assume without a gall

bladder

> > > that bile dumps directly into the intestines instead of being

> > > stored in the gall bladder.

> > >

> > > It is nice to get that internal sense that something is really

> > > happening!

> > >

> > > --

> > > > You may have to try some things (or possibly do some

testing)

> > > > > to see what is going on. First you need more information.

> > > > > Google search will find more - try searching on " candida

yeast

> > > > > symptoms " and see if that sounds like you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Taking DMSA (or any chelator) can definitely aggravate

> >

>

June 28, 2006

Hi ,

I got today a product called " Caproil " from Inno-Vite (caprylic

acid).. they say to take between one teaspoon and one tablespoon a

day.. but they add that this product is most effective if taken with

their 'kit' of candida buster, which includes psyllim and bentonite...

Do I have to use these other things with it, or I can just take the

caproil by itself? I am asking because I don't do well with

psyllium.. it had constipated me in the past..!!

Also at the health food store one lady advised me about another

product that works better for candida she says.. it is a mixture of 6

essential oils.. (so I got it also !)

I just want to mention that I haven't taken any more GSE for the last

two days.. I am almost back to normal.. no more digestive disturbance

at all.. the only thing left is the pulling on my right side (in my

abdomen) but this symptom I have from time to time (even without

taking DMSA)... so I am thinking of starting another round soon..

Take care,

Michel

> > >

> > > --- In frequent-dose-chelation , " mamike84 "

> > >>

> > > Do you have a white coating on your tongue? Or unusual redness?

> > > If you can get liquid probiotics, you might try swishing it

around

> > > in your mouth before swallowing. If the problem is bacteria or

> > > yeast, that would help.

> > >

> > > Did you feel any reaction to the grapefruit seed extract

(GSE)?

> > > GSE is both antifungal and antibacterial. It will also kill

the

> > > good bacteria. I try to avoid it for that reason, though I

have

> > > found it very effective at times.

> > >

> > > I like caprylic acid on a regular basis. Coconut oil contains

> > > caprylic acid, so you can try that as well. Tanalbit, oil of

> > > oregano, rx antifungals, and there are others. Different

things

> > > work better, or are more tolerable for different people.

> > >

> > > I managed dysbiosis (yeast/bacteria) with diet and probiotics

> > > for several years before I started chelating. When I started

> > > chelation, I needed to use antifungals again.

> > >

> > > I think oil of oregano probably works for bacteria, not sure

> > > about caprylic acid. GSE is often effective for bacteria.

> > > I'm sure there are others, but don't remember.

> > >

> > > It seems likely that has something to do with the bile flow.

> > > I don't know much about this, but I assume without a gall

bladder

> > > that bile dumps directly into the intestines instead of being

> > > stored in the gall bladder.

> > >

> > > It is nice to get that internal sense that something is really

> > > happening!

> > >

> > > --

> > > > You may have to try some things (or possibly do some

testing)

> > > > > to see what is going on. First you need more information.

> > > > > Google search will find more - try searching on " candida

yeast

> > > > > symptoms " and see if that sounds like you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Taking DMSA (or any chelator) can definitely aggravate

> >

>

June 28, 2006

Hi ,

I got today a product called " Caproil " from Inno-Vite (caprylic

acid).. they say to take between one teaspoon and one tablespoon a

day.. but they add that this product is most effective if taken with

their 'kit' of candida buster, which includes psyllim and bentonite...

Do I have to use these other things with it, or I can just take the

caproil by itself? I am asking because I don't do well with

psyllium.. it had constipated me in the past..!!

Also at the health food store one lady advised me about another

product that works better for candida she says.. it is a mixture of 6

essential oils.. (so I got it also !)

I just want to mention that I haven't taken any more GSE for the last

two days.. I am almost back to normal.. no more digestive disturbance

at all.. the only thing left is the pulling on my right side (in my

abdomen) but this symptom I have from time to time (even without

taking DMSA)... so I am thinking of starting another round soon..

Take care,

Michel

> > >

> > > --- In frequent-dose-chelation , " mamike84 "

> > >>

> > > Do you have a white coating on your tongue? Or unusual redness?

> > > If you can get liquid probiotics, you might try swishing it

around

> > > in your mouth before swallowing. If the problem is bacteria or

> > > yeast, that would help.

> > >

> > > Did you feel any reaction to the grapefruit seed extract

(GSE)?

> > > GSE is both antifungal and antibacterial. It will also kill

the

> > > good bacteria. I try to avoid it for that reason, though I

have

> > > found it very effective at times.

> > >

> > > I like caprylic acid on a regular basis. Coconut oil contains

> > > caprylic acid, so you can try that as well. Tanalbit, oil of

> > > oregano, rx antifungals, and there are others. Different

things

> > > work better, or are more tolerable for different people.

> > >

> > > I managed dysbiosis (yeast/bacteria) with diet and probiotics

> > > for several years before I started chelating. When I started

> > > chelation, I needed to use antifungals again.

> > >

> > > I think oil of oregano probably works for bacteria, not sure

> > > about caprylic acid. GSE is often effective for bacteria.

> > > I'm sure there are others, but don't remember.

> > >

> > > It seems likely that has something to do with the bile flow.

> > > I don't know much about this, but I assume without a gall

bladder

> > > that bile dumps directly into the intestines instead of being

> > > stored in the gall bladder.

> > >

> > > It is nice to get that internal sense that something is really

> > > happening!

> > >

> > > --

> > > > You may have to try some things (or possibly do some

testing)

> > > > > to see what is going on. First you need more information.

> > > > > Google search will find more - try searching on " candida

yeast

> > > > > symptoms " and see if that sounds like you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Taking DMSA (or any chelator) can definitely aggravate

> >

>

June 29, 2006

>

> Hi ,

>

> I got today a product called " Caproil " from Inno-Vite (caprylic

> acid).. they say to take between one teaspoon and one tablespoon a

> day.. but they add that this product is most effective if taken with

> their 'kit' of candida buster, which includes psyllim and bentonite...

>

> Do I have to use these other things with it, or I can just take the

> caproil by itself? I am asking because I don't do well with

> psyllium.. it had constipated me in the past..!!

No, it's not absolutely necessary to use the psyllium and bentonite.

However, if you have unpleasant symptoms (die-off) from taking the

caproil then some type of fiber or activated charcoal taken an hour

or so after the caproil may help to minimize them. We're not sure

how much of a candida problem you have, but you do need to be

prepared for potential die-off symptoms. I suggest starting with

a small amount to begin with (maybe a teaspoon a day) and work up to

a teaspoon twice a day, etc.

I have not had really severe die-off symptoms for a long time

because I have followed the diet and taken antifungals for

maintenance, but believe me, you do not want to start with a big

dose. Just starting on a yeast control diet (eliminating the sugar,

yeast, etc) can stir up some pretty strange symptoms, so it is

essential to go slow with these changes.

I am not familiar with the Caproil product - you should

familiarize yourself with any other ingredients so you know

what you are taking. Or maybe it's just plain caprylic acid?

> Also at the health food store one lady advised me about another

> product that works better for candida she says.. it is a mixture of 6

> essential oils.. (so I got it also !)

Well, I have no idea about that one. You are really gung ho about

this candida thing, aren't you! Please try just one thing at a

time! Die-off symptoms can be very weird, both physical and

emotional - and very stressful to your body. Candida releases

toxins into your body when you kill it and these toxins have to be

processed and removed from the body by the liver.

> I just want to mention that I haven't taken any more GSE for the last

> two days.. I am almost back to normal.. no more digestive disturbance

> at all.. the only thing left is the pulling on my right side (in my

> abdomen) but this symptom I have from time to time (even without

> taking DMSA)... so I am thinking of starting another round soon..

Glad your digestive problems have settled down. I would advise you

to start the caproil separately from doing another round. You don't

want too much going on at once. In fact, it would be interesting

to see if the next round stirs up similar digestive symptoms first,

before using any caproil.

--

> Take care,

>

> Michel

June 29, 2006